In case you hadn’t heard, our old buddy Pete Rose was in the news again. He has appealed to the Hall of Fame to restore his eligibility for the writers’ ballot:

Pete Rose is appealing directly to baseball’s Hall of Fame to restore his eligibility, arguing the lifetime ban he agreed to in 1989 was never intended to keep him out of Cooperstown.

A seven-page letter to Hall president Jeff Idelson on Tuesday makes the case that the settlement agreement reached by Rose and then-Commissioner Bart Giamatti didn’t include a provision that he be ineligible for election to the Hall of Fame.

“At the time Pete agreed to the settlement, the consequences of being placed on the ineligible list were clear and specific — and did not include a Hall of Fame prohibition,” according to the letter, signed by Rose’s longtime attorney Raymond C. Genco and attorney Mark Rosenbaum.

Please, Hall of Fame. Please let Pete Rose into the Hall. So we never have to talk about it again.

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  1. He deserves to be in. He never took PED’s to inflate his numbers. The numbers still speak for themselves. He never bet against his own team (I think) which means 2 things if true, 1)He probably lost almost as much money as he won (I don’t know why that seems relevant to me, but it does nonetheless) and 2)If anything, it made him try harder on the field to win. My argument for letting Pete into the HOF may not be the best or strongest argument out there but it’s what I feel. If nothing else makes sense, I hope this does: It’s been long enough and there is such a thing as forgiveness. Time to forgive (in spite of all the recent new evidence that just happened to be conveniently produced upon his most recent reinstatement attempt). It’s just that simple. Nobody wants to have something held against them for the rest of their lives, they’d wanna be forgiven, YOU’D wanna be forgiven for a past transgression(s). Now I understand that, just bcuz someone wants forgiveness, doesn’t always mean they’ll get it. I understand how that there are some things that could possibly be unforgivable (but I still believe people should forgive even these things bcuz of the simple premise that they’d wanna be forgiven for something) , but here’s what I’d say to that: this is a baseball issue and baseball’s just a game. So, in lite of the more serious issues out there in this world baseball takes a backseat (like, back of the bus) and therefore we as fans and the baseball people who decide this kinda stuff (who’re human and not God), should forgive Pete and let him in. I don’t know what stronger argument I could make. Baseball is nothing but a game in the larger picture of life and we should be forgiving bcuz we’d wanna be forgiven (for anything). Little side note here: I don’t think these people exist, but on the off chance they do, I’ll say this…IF anyone says that they’d NOT wanna be forgiven for a transgression they committed, they’re a liar, plain and simple. EVERYONE wants forgiveness whether they’d admit it or not (which I can’t fathom why they wouldn’t want to admit something like this). So, let Pete in for goodness sake. His numbers say he deserves to be in the HOF. Time to forgive.

    • Pete admitted taking amphetamines in the 1970’s (PEDs)
      Pete gambled on baseball and lied about it for years, throwing his alleged “best friend” Tommy Helms under the bus. Making a fool out of numerous people that defended him, such as Joe Nuxhall.
      Pete evaded income tax reporting and spent time in a Federal Prison for it.

      By all means, let us vote this paragon of virtue into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

      The only way he can get in now is by the veterans committee voting him in. And my personal guess is that those people don’t like him and will not vote him in.

      Someday, after Pete is dead, they will vote him in. He belongs there, but I don’t think they are going to vote him in and let him make a circus out of it.

      Sorry, I followed Pete for his whole career, and he was a GREAT baseball player, but a lousy human being.

      • Well, there’s still forgiveness.

        • There’s no crying in baseball, and not much forgiveness, either. I don’t think Pete is much of a churchgoing man, myself.

      • Pete, with questionable character traits, would have plenty of company in the Hall.

    • Agree 110%. What is sad is how many Reds fans will protest if he is sent in. Reds fans and sportswriters know no forgiveness.

  2. While I certainly believe in forgiveness I also believe in accountability. What I wish is that Pete never bet on baseball in any capacity, It is a cardinal sin in sports. If fans begin to question the outcome of the games I can’t think of anything more harmful to the game.

    • But again, sports are just games. There are bigger issues in the bigger picture of life. I think we could forgive Pete for a sports transgression. Bigger picture is what I’m talking about. More serious problems out there.

      • In this day and age Sports is also Big Business. Look at the revenue coming into the NFL. The more money involved, the more serious it becomes. While I watch baseball for entertainment and root for the Reds specifically, baseball also employs many thousands of people beyond the ones we see on the field. If the integrity of it is compromised beyond a certain degree, and I don’t know what that is, then it will not recover from the hit it will take financially when people stop paying any attention.

    • Don’t PED’s do the same thing?

    • Let him in the Hall for his on-field accomplishments. Continue the ban from participation in the game for accountability.

  3. All of the arguments against Pete have nothing to do with getting into the HOF. What he did can keep him out of baseball, but has nothing to do with the numbers he put up as a player, which earned him the HOF.

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      • I watched Pete his whole career. I cheered him on many times. I don’t think he was a dirty player. There was the Bud Harrelson incident in the 1973 NLCS, and there was the Ray Fosse incident (Which was just solid baseball, no crying in baseball).
        I can’t forgive Pete LYING and making fools out of other people who sincerely believed his initial denials and defended him. The gambling is a human weakness. The lying turns my stomach. That was Pete’s immense egotism.
        Gambling on baseball by the game’s primaries is one of the fundamental transgressions that cannot be tolerated. There have been plenty of guys who were alcoholics, drug users, wife-beaters, serial adulterers, etc. But gambling on the game is a giant sin, and Pete had been around the game a long time, and cannot plead ignorance.

        As I said upthread, at this point, he has to be voted in by the veterans committee, not the Baseball Writers of America. The veteran’s committee is a bunch of old ballplayers, Pete’s peers. I don’t think they will vote him in.


    • Wow. All caps, huh? Just for that? I guess playing as hard as a guy can possibly do it – and for damn near 25 years – equals dirty. Find me another athlete who did it that hard and for that long. You will find NO ONE. Pete, not a hall of fame human being maybe, but DEFINITELY a hall of fame baseball player. The hall is a joke if he’s not in it. And, to be clear, by ALL accounts, Ty Cobb was a much bigger jerk than Rose. I get that betting on the game is THE cardinal sin, but if you ever watched Pete, let alone seen clips of Cobb playing, I seriously doubt they ever bet against themselves. REAL hardcore competitors like those guys would never bet against themselves to lose. It would go against their entire nature.

      Pete deserves to be banned from the game, but NOT the hall of fame. He should be put in BUT with lots of asterisks alluding to his downfall and subsequent infamy. It would be a great teaching tool for all youngsters starting out playing the game. Learn from historical mistakes! Don’t cover them up! We can ALL learn from Pete’s mistakes. But he should not be given a life sentence in baseball hell. As Sandman said, FORGIVENESS. Its the right, let alone humane thing, to do. And it should be done while he’s still alive. The Byzantine way of thinking in baseball has to go. The sport is the greatest one ever devised, IMO, but it simply must evolve with the rest of society if it is going to continue to thrive. Wake up, baseball.

  5. The only thing I can say on this subject is that I have felt for a long time that this is Rose’s only possible avenue into the HoF. The rule that the HoF enacted that bans players on MLB’s Permanently Ineligible List, wasn’t put into place until after Rose had been banned from baseball. That’s why it’s called by some “The Pete Rose Rule” … Look, the numbers say he should be in and in my opinion, he should be. This coming from a guy who can’t stand Rose as a human being and would be dead set against any participation in professional baseball. The HoF though? As a player, the HoF is lacking without him.

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