2016 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tim Adleman Show

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (58-82) 4 10 0
Pittsburgh Pirates (69-70) 3 10 0
W: Iglesias (3-1) L: Watson (2-5)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Smiling side of the scoreboard: Reds five-game losing streak is over!

–Another nice start by Tim Adleman. Adleman went six innings, allowing two runs on seven hits. (He walked two and struck out zero, for what that’s worth.

Adleman also went 2-2 at the plate, with a double, a run scored, and an RBI. He picked two runners off base. No complaints about Tim Adleman tonight.

–Joey Votto was 3-4 with an RBI. Eugenio Suarez was 2-4 with a double and two runs scored. Brandon Phillips hit his 10th home run.

The Bad
–The Reds won for the first time in a while, so I choose not to dwell on the negative.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–The Reds wore throwback uniforms tonight, the style worn by the 1937 Cincinnati Tigers of the Negro Leagues…and they were just the best, that’s all. The players wore the high socks, the design was great. Best uniforms they’ve worn in forty years or more.

–Raisel Iglesias struggled mightily tonight (but of course, he got the win). Iglesias entered in the eighth inning with a 3-2 lead. Three singles and a sac fly (not necessarily in that order), and the game was tied.

The Reds took back the lead in the top of the ninth (Jose Peraza sac fly), and Manager Bryan Price allowed Iglesias to pitch the ninth because what else was he going to do? Iglesias is the best pitcher in the entire organization.

Well…Iglesias hit the first two batters. After a Pirate sacrifice bunt (Pittsburgh manager Clint Hurdle did a lot of dumb bunting tonight), and an intentional walk, Pittsburgh had bases loaded with just one out. Reds were up 4-3, bottom of the ninth. Scary, right?

Pop up to second, fly out to left, game over. Kind of a fun game.

–Only 22 games left for the Redlegs. Enjoy ‘em while you can. See you tomorrow.

25 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tim Adleman Show

  1. The Redleg Nation editing machine would not let me enter a post declaring that Brandon Phillips was lowering his value every time he came to bat.

    I think the editor.

  2. Peraza hit a sac fly and Thom immediately declares him team MVP, honorary mayor of Cincinnati for a day, and grand master of the universe. Because as we all know, sac flies are the single most important thing a baseball player can ever do

    If you can’t tell, I was really irritated by his criticisms of Peraza a few nights ago…

    • Getting the go-ahead run in with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 9th IS one of the most important things a player can do, however he does it.

      Sac flies are sometimes of little value or even negative, but not in that situation.

      • DHUD: Just read that your comment was in the context of whoever’s criticism of Peraza the other night, so I missed much of your point. Anyway, Peraza’s sac fly laat night made me happy.

    • I know a lot of this was written in jest but is the SF really a skill or just luck? Is any player more likely to hit a SF in that situation than
      – a ground ball that does the same job?
      – a ground ball that does that gets a runner thrown out?
      – a ground ball that finds its way into a hole for a hit?
      – a ground ball that results in a DP?
      – a fly ball that is not deep enough?
      – a homerun?
      – a pop up?

      A lot of people seem to be flabbergasted when the Reds cannot a score a runner from third with < 2 outs but it all seems random for the SF. Good hitters will get the runners in more often than bad hitters but only like 50% of the time, other teams seem to fail as well- see the Pirates 9th for a reference.

      • You raise interesting questions that I can’t answer. But…doesn’t it seem to be the case that a hitter can change his swing and increase the likelihood that he’ll hit a fly ball (if he makes contact at all)? It may be possible to go too far in emphasizing the random nature of what happens when hitters hit baseballs. To wit: hitting home runs isn’t a skill, just something that happens from time to time when a player with enough strength hits a ball that isn’t caught by an outfielder or contained by the stadium fences. But if it is a skill, why don’t players with that skill hit homers every time? Because the pitcher has skills of his own, and this is one of the reasons that baseball is the beautiful game.

        • HR hitting is a skill or certain players would not always be among league leaders, I am skeptical that hitting SF is. A great HR hitter seems more likely to hit the HR than SF in the situation, and he definitely is more inclined to K.
          I am skeptical that there is any talent in hitting a ball SF deep, there is talent in hitting HR distance, there is talent in hitting the ball hard, there is talent in making contact, there is even talent in bunting

        • I’ll add something on this. There are times when you can try to hit a fly-ball as a hitter. Sometimes it doesn’t work, especially when the pitcher is keeping the ball down and away on you, but you can alter your swing to hit it in the air. Along the same idea is you can specifically look to try to yank one out. This also involves some altering of the approach and sometimes the swing. It makes it much less likely you’re gonna get a hit but if you get the pitch you want and you don’t “miss it” by popping it up or just swinging through it, then it goes out more often then if you aren’t taking that HR cut. Not sure if any of this makes sense or not but that is my take on how it felt for me.

        • I’ll also add that a lot of times in trying to go for a sac fly, I would pop the ball up or swing and miss.

      • This is an eyeball memory reaction but it seems to me that many if not most of the “routine” fly balls Votto lofts to the medium deep OF come in sac fly situations where getting the one run seems imperative or at least as important as moving the train down the track for more than one run. But then he is Votto and very few other guys possess the kind of bat manipulation skills he does.

  3. * How often do you see the ninth position in the batting order go 4-for-4 with an RBI?

    * Iglesias struggled, but his ability to overcome it is indicative of his ability and potential. You can count the number of Reds pitchers on one or two fingers who escape that situation, particularly of his own doing.

    * If Thom truly did declare Peraza star of the game, I would respectfully counter with Adleman.

  4. Iglesias is already an outstanding reliever (pitcher for that matter), including in high leverage situations, but I believe he’ll get even better before long. He still has a little ways to go in terms of handling his emotions.

    I only watched on gameday last night, but I saw him the night he lost a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 10th against the DBacks. He was his usual brilliant self in the top of the 10th, and then after the Reds took the lead in the top of the 10th, he was rushing his pitches (I don’t mean rushing his delivery, I mean pitching a lot more quickly than he had in the 9th, as if trying to get the game over with asap), and that resulted in a leadoff walk, a wild pitch, a balk when he stumbled and then a ground out to tie the game.

    Of course nobody’s perfect and he’s been close to it.

  5. I was happy with the decision to use Igesias in the 9th. I was even happier with what seemed to be the plan, based on the double switch: to use him for a 2 inning save.
    That’s what I want to see: Lorenzon and Iglesias both used for both 1 inning and 2 inning saves.

    • 10-15 pitches on back to back days versus 25-30 every other day. Which has more where and tea Right?

      I have been frustrated a lot watching a pitcher get one inning in 10 pitches and be done for the night.

      I get that you can have great stuff one night and not the next, but on nights they are on, I would like to see longer stints across the board when they are dealing

  6. Knowing Clint Hurdle, I imagine he’ll say that Iglesias plunked Freese and Cervelli on purpose. Who cares about losing the game ?

    BP, be on the alert for retaliation !

  7. However one feels in general about a sac bunt in that situation, Mercer’s sac bunt was the turning point of the bottom of the 9th. Iglesias had trouble throwing strikes with his slider in the 8th, and in the 9th, going with his fastball, hitting the first 2 batters with 3 pitches, WOW. Meltdown.

    Mercer is a very good fastball hitter, he even did damage with Chapman’s fastball a few times. If allowed to swing away, he was just going to sit on a fastball over the plate.
    And maybe Iglesias would have walked him (or hit him ?) to load the bases.
    When he bunts for that out, it calmed me down, and I bet it calmed down Iglesias.
    All he has to do then is get Harrison (a very free swinger, as pointed out by Brantley) on an unproductive out to get to the one-more-out-and-it’s-over situation.

    And with the open base, he can walk (or hit ?) Harrison and the Reds still lead.

    • Oops, cancel that last sentence. After the intentional walk to Joyce, of course the bases were loaded for Harrison. A good decision by Price – Iglesias is significantly tougher on RHed hitters, Joyce has a .913 OPS, Harrison a free swinging righty.

  8. Typical Chad recap. Saying just what needed to be said, nothing less and nothing more.

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