2016 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds lose, but at least we aren’t Cardinals fans

Final R H E
Cincinnati Reds (46-67) 2 6 0
St. Louis Cardinals (60-54) 3 9 0
W: Garcia (9-8) L: DeSclafani (6-1)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Joey Votto had two of the Reds six hits, and scored a run. Not a banner night for the Cincinnati offense.

–Tony Renda — making his first big-league start — made a gorgeous diving play in the fifth that prevented a run from scoring and kept the deficit at 3-1. There is no question whatsoever that Steve is correct here:

–Tucker Barnhart doubled, extending his hitting streak to eight games. Eugenio Suarez hit his 18th home run of the season. Adam Duvall had a single and a walk.

–Decent work by the Reds bullpen. Three innings of shutout work from Josh Smith, Jumbo Diaz, and Blake Wood.

–Ross Ohlendorf didn’t pitch.

The Bad
–With the Reds losing 3-1, Joey Votto led off with a double in the ninth. Adam Duvall followed up with a single. Runners on the corner with no outs. Tying run came to the plate in the form of Eugenio Suarez.

It’s a rally, right?

Suarez grounded into a double play on the first pitch. Renda struck out swinging. Game over.

–Billy Hamilton didn’t steal a single base. What’s up with that?

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–The Reds have lost two straight series, but they really could’ve swept this one if a couple of breaks had gone their way. Alas, that’s baseball.

If nothing else, the Reds continue to be competitive. And after suffering through the first half of this season, I’m not going to take that for granted.

–Anthony DeSclafani wasn’t sharp, only adequate. Five innings pitched, three runs allowed on six hits. I guess Tony Disco had to lose his first start of the year at some point, right? (It’s also the first time he’s ever lost to St. Louis, in five career starts.)

–I can’t concentrate on writing this recap because my wife is watching Olympic swimming and keeps talking to me. I love her, but she gets the blame for any errors here.

–Off day tomorrow, then the Reds will send Homer Bailey to the mound to face the Milwaukee Brewers.

25 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds lose, but at least we aren’t Cardinals fans

  1. Joey Votto couldn’t have made that play either. I guess we better bench or trade him too so the youth movement can continue.

    • Just curious if you think its good for the organization to play an aging star who will not play for next winning team or if you think Votto & BP are even comparable. Some things are debatable so maybe I am not seeing the other side.

      • I think BP has more than earned second base. He should be able to stay out there as long as his contract holds up. If the Reds feel like they have a viable alternative to BP to toss out there (which apparently they don’t because they play him even when injured) then so be it.

        The written assaults are endless on BP and it grows tiresome. I like Joey Votto and don’t really want to see him traded or replaced, however, the bias towards him and the positive articles over and over again gets quite old. If Joey Votto hits a bad stretch he is injured, has bad luck, lost his wallet, etc…. If BP has a bad stretch it is he is old, needs to be replacement, time to bench BP.

        • The”assaults” on BP are based on tangible, objective data that measure the overall value of a baseball player relative to other baseball players.

          Earlier this year, Joey Votto had a “bad stretch.” Tangible, objective data showed that he was hitting the ball with tremendous velocity and had an absurdly low BABIP. Many predicted that Votto’s BABIP would “normalize” and he would see his numbers dramatically improve. That is what has occurred.

        • Hanging on to past results gets this team nowhere in the future. Nobody is discounting Brandon’s contributions to this organization. He did earn the right to block a trade and stay here, but nobody should ever earn the right to play everyday if they don’t deserve it.

        • Chuck, you hit the nail right on the head. I get so tired of people thinking and comparing those two players. Votto has been the best hitter on this team almost since he debuted, and Phillips, while an amazing player, has done things in the past. THE PAST. Dan needs to realize that data is data, and BP has consistently been one of the worst overall hitters at 2B this season. We can celebrate his past all that we want, but in the end he will not return to that in the future. There’s a reason that the Reds’ signed Votto to that contract, it’s because he is going to be one of the better players in the history of the franchise. Why would you hold back another player’s development just because you like some things that another player did in the past? That makes absolutely no sense.

        • When BP does finally leave (DFA, retirement, trade, etc.) it will be interesting to see if he can amass as many glowing articles as Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto did here on RLN.

        • Many years from now, when Votto eventually becomes a replacement level player, we’ll be having the same discussion.

          Once Votto is bad (he isn’t now), we’ll want him off the field, too.

        • Yippee…

          I’ve already begun writing about what a great career BP has had for the Reds (http://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/reds/brandon-phillips-acquired-appreciation/). Every time I write about him, I go to great lengths to note that he’s a Reds Hall of Famer and one of the best 2Bs this franchise has ever seen.

          I GUARANTEE there will be retrospectives here at RN in appreciation for his fine Reds career once he is gone.

          But we aren’t going to ignore the fact that BP should not be the starting 2B next year. Players age. Everyone acts like it’s an assault on BP. It’s just acknowledging that Father Time is doing the same things to BP that he’s done to every other second baseman in history.

          I’m not sure why we should pretend that BP is immune, simply because he used to be really good.

    • This is a good point.

      Except for the fact that Votto is still one of the best offensive players in the league — and thus valuable — rather than one of the worst. Otherwise, it’s a perfect analogy.

    • If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times…

      Your anti-Votto schtick is old and has been old for awhile. Your comment has no pertinence whatsoever to the discussion of BP’s defensive decline.

      • Even if we want to compare Votto past to Phillips past (and completely ignore the present or future) then Votto is far ahead of Phillips. Phillips does lead Votto by a bit in some counting stats, mainly because he has played 350 more games as a Red. But Votto is the franchise leader in On Base Percentage and OPS, and second in slugging for the history of every Red ever. That includes Bench, Morgan, Robinson, Kluszewski, Rose, Perez, Harwell, McPhee, Dunn, Davis, Foster and EVERYBODY. One of if not the best Red hitter ever. Only Frank Robinson has a higher slugging percentage as a Red, and he left for Baltimore in his very prime.

        Brandon Phillips has been a wonderful Red. Joey Votto has been a historically great Red and will likely be so for several more years. Brandon Phillips deserves a spot in the Reds Hall of Fame some day. Joey Votto may well earn a spot in Cooperstown. Rant over. Go Reds!

    • Yeah, especially since Votto earned that contract based on his defense, and not from being one of the best offensive players in the league…

  2. Interesting that Price did not play to tie in the 9th tonight after doing so in Pittsburgh.

    Part of it would be that he was 2 runs down instead of 1; but, with the 1st run at 3rd, tying run at 1st and zero outs, the situation was essentially the same, as I see it. His decision was probably in large part because south of Suarez in the lineup he had basically nothing but pop guns following. I’m also guessing that the operational bench at that point was Cabrera and…… uh……. Yeah. So, will there be reinforcements in Milwaukee???

    • Can’t quite compare the Pittsburgh situation. Suarez stole 3rd to make a sac fly possible. Still, a little creativity might of helped. Pop guns still work. I know you guys don’t like bunts, but a squeeze there might have worked if the any of the Reds could ever lay down a good bunt…score 1, move tying run to second.

      • My recollection without going back and checking the play by play is that Suarez walked, was bunted to 2nd, stole 3rd, then scored on the sac fly.

        So I see it as the same situation as in Pittsburgh, i.e. tying run on 1st no outs, with 2nd base open. The guy at 3rd only matters if he gets himself picked off or thrown out trying to score. (I doubt that it was in Price’s playbook or planning of the inning in Pittsburgh that Suarez would steal 3rd.).

  3. Two 1-run losses on the road in St. Louis isn’t the end of the world this year. Not for the team with the worst road record in MLB. Take 2 of 3 from Milwaukee and it is a 4-5 road trip. As bad as the Cards’ defense was last night, it was good tonight, especially in the 8th inning and in the 9th on Suarez’s double play ball.
    If you want a chuckle, there should be a fan fail highlight from the SD-Pit game that was hilarious. It’ll be on all the highlight shows tonight and tomorrow. Check it out if you get a chance. I switched over to that game during a commercial break in the Reds game and got to see it as it happened. The Pirates announcers reactions were just super. The fans reactions to the guy after were hilarious.
    A foul ball was hit in the stands on a decent line drive just over this guy’s head. He jumps up out of his seat and reaches up over his head with one hand. In the other hand he was holding a full pan of nachos grande up against his chest. He misses the ball, but as he jumps up the nachos grande jump up off the pan and hit the guy right in the face and stick there for a second. The nachos then fall down the front of his white t-shirt and into his lap. The Pirate announcers said he had a beer and spilled it in his lap too. It was epic.
    It takes a little of the pain away from this series.

  4. I just checked the Louisville roster to see if Dilson Herrera had been put on the DL because aside from DH one night, he hasn’t played in 5 or 6 days. He is not on the DL.

    However, I noticed that John Lamb is shown as on the DL. Did I miss something? Anybody know the story on Lamb?

    Or, for that matter what is going on with Herrera, I read somewhere he had been experiencing “soreness” but not what was sore. That was on Monday when he was supposed to return to the lineup. Did DHed that night but did not play in the field and hasn’t played since.

    • @zachenq says Herrera has a sore shoulder and that they have a plan they are following and don’t see it as serious.

      His best info on Lamb is that “Apparently John Lamb has a flexor mass injury.” That sounds not encouraging.

      • There was speculation that he wasn’t fully recovered while up north. Recall his FB velocity was down and his K rate was nowhere near past performance. He tried battled through it which is laudable. His body my not be made for the stress of starting. He would need to be a pen guy anyway if Price really intends the asinine dual closer thing next year

      • I don’t like the sound of that. That was what shelved Homer Bailey in August 2014 before his TJ surgery last year.

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