Narrative #1: The Reds have the worst bullpen in history.

For the first three months of the season, this was impossible to contest, whether you used old metrics or new fangled ones. Just a few weeks into the season, Rob Carpenter posted here about the historical aspect of the bullpen’s performance. About a month later, Matt Wilkes updated the tragedy during May’s ERA ground zero. Remember May? Refresh your nightmares: Caleb Cotham, Steve Delabar, A.J. Morris, Drew Hayes, J.C. Ramirez, Dayan Daiz …

This situation was due in part to the front office making no effort to spend money to improve the bullpen in the offseason. That was the right approach because when you’re rebuilding, there’s no reason to make short-term investments on relievers. And relievers are almost always short-term payoffs at best. So good for the front office. The second factor in the worst-ever bullpen was an epidemic of injuries.

Not that those factors made watching any less painful. The Reds bullpen has allowed more home runs (69) than any other team. Second place is Texas (53). It’s not just home runs that have hurt the Reds relief corps, it is also league worst in walks and third from the bottom in strikeouts. Not surprisingly, they have the highest ERA and highest SIERA.

Narrative #2: The Reds bullpen has gotten better. 

It’s hard to argue with this, although the degree might be in question. If you simply look at ERA by month, the bullpen was getting better in June, but still was considerably worse than league average (3.91). July, so far, has been great. We know this to be the case beyond doubt because we have a chart.


Side note: J.J. Hoover had two disastrous appearances at the end of June. If you subtract those, the bullpen’s ERA was 4.01 instead of 4.77. That shows what one or two bad outings can do to the ERA stat because you’re dealing with relatively small numbers and run scoring is clunky. On the other hand, you can’t subtract Hoover. His presence in the bullpen is part of the story.

But our chart just measures ERA. If you tighten up the metric, the story is partly the same (improvement) and partly different (not better than league average).

Quick refresher on the ERA-estimators: FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) neutralizes ERA for BABIP variation, xFIP further neutralizes ERA for home run/fly ball rate and SIERA does those things plus puts more weight on strikeouts and adjusts for batted ball profile (likes ground balls, etc.). Here is the Reds bullpen performance based on the ERA estimators:


The BABIP column is interesting. League average for years has been around .295 consistent with the notion that pitchers have little control over the ball once it’s put in play. Variation can be due to good defense or luck. Home runs are excluded from BABIP since they aren’t in play. Note the Reds BABIP was actually better than historical average in April, then skyrocketed in May, causing the ERA to go up. In July, the Reds pitchers have benefitted from good fortune on balls falling in for hits so far. So while the FIP, xFIP and SIERA all show welcome improvement, they aren’t as shiny as that July ERA number. Strikeouts and walks are moving back to normal but are not quite there yet.

What caused this all of a sudden (welcome back Thom) improvement? We have theories!

Theory 1: It’s the Cavalry

Raisel Iglesias returned to the roster and began pitching out of the bullpen on June 21. He gave up a run on June 24 and none since. As a reliever his ERA is 0.44, his FIP is 3.14 and his SIERA is 3.46.

Similarly, Michael Lorenzen began pitching out of the bullpen on June 24. His ERA has been 3.31, FIP 5.34 and SIERA 3.23. The high FIP but lower SIERA is an indication that Lorenzen has been lucky when it comes to BABIP but unlucky on home runs. Note that Lorenzen’s SIERA is a little bit better than Iglesias’.

The addition of Iglesias and Lorenzen to the bullpen – replacing J.J. Hoover and J.C. Ramirez – made a huge difference. Those two pitchers have accounted for a third (34%) of all bullpen innings in the past thirty days.

Side note: Bryan Price has been using Iglesias and Lorenzen for multiple innings per appearance. If you take their usage rates and extrapolate them out for 162 games, it adds up to 117 IP for Iglesias and 98 IP for Lorenzen. In the case of Iglesias, the Reds have to be concerned about his two shoulder-related trips to the DL. Using him like this is a compromise between a starter’s full load of say 180-200 IP and traditional reliever use of 65-70 IP.

Theory 2: It’s the Coaches

The Reds fired their pitching coach Mark Riggins on July 4. They promoted bullpen coach Mack Jenkins to head pitching coach and brought up Ted Power from AAA-Louisville to handle the bullpen. Did the coaching change cause the improvement in the bullpen?

Skepticism is called for in a situation like this when the sample size since July 4 is so small. Further complicating an easy conclusion is that the guy who had been the bullpen coach when it was worst-ever terrible is still the overall pitching coach, maybe with even more influence. Hard to tease out all the coaching influences without being on the inside.

But here’s what’s tantalizing about the game logs. From June 27 to July 4, the Reds bullpen was scored on in every game, 22 runs in 8 games (two of those were the Hoover blow-ups). Starting on July 5, with the new coaching arrangement, the Reds have given up 14 runs in 17 games, including seven 0-run games.

When you go through each box score of the past two months (and I did it so you don’t have to) and chart the bullpen’s innings pitched and runs surrendered, and you try to pinpoint the exact time when the pen switched from being bad to good (which is stupid, it doesn’t work that way, but if you did) it’s hard to ignore July 5 as that date.

In addition to the above mentioned stupidity, great caution is necessary for in interpreting the data this way. The coaching change coincided with the arrival of the cavalry. Plus, in this section we’re back to relying so far on earned runs surrendered as a measure for pitching and that’s not terribly reliable, especially with relievers.

Can we eliminate the cavalry factor somehow to better isolate the coaching contribution?

Four pitchers – Tony Cingrani, Ross Ohlendorf, Blake Wood and Josh Smith – pitched a significant number of games with the old coaching staff and have stayed on with the new arrangement. If the coaching has had an impact beyond the arrival of Iglesias and Lorenzen, it would show up on those four pitchers.


These numbers are SIERA not ERA, so that’s better. But they are based on small samples, especially the right column.

Two of the pitchers have been much better since the new coaches have appeared, one has stayed about the same and the fourth has been worse. Changes in SIERA are more important than those of equal size in ERA because SIERA reduces the spread of value between the worst and best. Makes sense since the difference between pitchers isn’t as great as what reliever ERA indicates. So gains by a run or so are noteworthy. Or at least they would be over a larger sample.

The results of our investigation are sort of a mixed bag, maybe small positive evidence for It’s the Coaches.

On the other hand, pitchers fluctuate during the year for reasons not related to coaching. You really should take this theory with a grain of salt, or at least the evidence marshaled to support it here. Especially in light of …

Theory 3: It’s the Competition

One other idea worth mentioning is the possibility the improved bullpen has coincided with an easier part of the Reds schedule. Nothing fancy here, just pointing out those games since July 5 have been against the Cubs, Miami, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Arizona and San Francisco. Over the past 30 days, those offenses ranked #13, #14, #23, #24, #26 and #25 in runs scored.

So maybe there’s an element of weaker offenses at play. Those eight games that led up to Mark Riggins getting fired, where the bullpen gave up runs in every one, they were against the Cubs, Nationals and Cubs again.


The caveats are deep here: small samples, arbitrary time periods (months), multiple interacting variables and more. So accept these conclusions as Friday afternoon musings more than anything proven. But here goes:

The Reds bullpen has snapped out of its April/May death spiral. Over the last 30 days or so they have been functioning approximately as a normal, league-average pen, although not quite. Tap the brakes on OMG, The Bullpen! 

Most of the improvement can be explained by the performances of Raisel Iglesias and Michael Lorenzen replacing those of J.J. Hoover and J.C. Ramirez. That’s good news because those guys aren’t going anywhere, health permitting.

22 Responses

  1. jazzmanbbfan

    Refreshing my memories of the May bullpen makes me have more empathy for Price. He had no one to go to at that point.

  2. Patrick Jeter

    Steve Delabar.

    My Friday has been ruined. Thanks, Steve!

  3. Big56dog

    Is Cingrani doing anything different since May? His strikeouts have dropped off drastically, but this also coincided with the ERA lowering. Not that closer matters, but he has been close to league average over the limited save opportunities the past 2 months

    • Steve Mancuso

      The main thing is he’s cut his walk rate by two thirds. His low K% is a reason to be skeptical of his long-term effectiveness. But at least he isn’t walking the house.

      • Scotly50

        I don’t think he is our answer at closer either, but it refreshing to see Cingrani not walk a couple batters every inning.

      • Carl Sayre

        I agree about he is not walking the house but as a closer he is likely to inherit men on base I hate seeing his SO’s down. I don’t think he is a “closer” but with him throwing almost nothing but fastballs that is about the only option for him. He throws hard and from the wrong side maybe that will generate some sort of return!

    • Chris Miller

      Cingrani came out the other day, and basically said he’s ditched his slider, and is throwing his fastball 95% of the time. He said this was where his success came from back in 2013. He also mentioned that Hoover’s run of horrible luck was a big drag on the bullpen psychy as well.

  4. IndyRedMan

    I think you leave Inglesias in the pen in the same role as kind of a hybrid setup/closer with 100+ innings. That way Price or whoever doesn’t just have him locked into the 9th but can try to match him up against the righties in their opponents lineup. If they don’t trade Straily…then he’d become my Sammy LeCure Part II as a righty that pitches smart and gutsy and is more effective vs lefties.

    I don’t trust Cingrani, Wood, or Jumbo and I can’t see any of them being around after this reshuffling. Wood and Jumbo are in their 30s already and Cingrani isn’t a classic lefty vs lefty. I like Lamb a lot and think he could be a decent 4th-5th starter but that big curve could really work as the Loogy they need! Lorenzen could be the best starter we have imo! His sinking fastball is really generating groundballs and he could pitch to contact and rack up some innings.

  5. WVRedlegs

    Good thoughts to ponder on a day for a late starting game. The arrival of the cavalry sure helped. But it has been their going multiple innings that has changed the dynamic in the bullpen. Each time they go 2 innings they are saving 1 relief appearance from another reliever. It has also helped to nail down the 7th and 8th innings which the old bullpen set ablaze almost nightly.

  6. seat101

    What a fun column to read! I sincerely hope you enjoyed writing and researching it.

    This is wonderful technical writing. I have found that those who teach well write well.

    Thank you!

  7. WVRedlegs

    Now the Mariners are giving Cozart a couple of sniffs.

  8. Patrick Jeter

    The Baltimore Orioles signed Logan Ondrusek to a major league deal. How bout that.

    • greenmtred

      Best news I’ve heard in years.

    • lwblogger2

      They really, really need arms. Of course they mostly need rotation arms. They traded for Wade Miley and as so-so as he’s been this year, he’s an upgrade as a #3 starter.

  9. Shchi Cossack

    Cingrani becomes 1st year arb eligible next season. He currently makes league minimum and would be in line for a minimal raise in arbitration, but here’s hoping Cingrani can throw blanks for the remainder of the season, at least regarding earned runs, and the Reds can parlay that into an offseason trade for a reasonable prospect or a tradeable comp pick. Surely Williams can find a taker for a LH reliever with a sub-3.00 ERA. I just don’t see a role for Cingrani going forward and I don’t want to see him working in a closer role for the Reds. This season was his chance to step up and prove himself, but he failed to take advantage of the opportunity.

    • Chris Miller

      Cingrani has been outstanding since June, with a WHIP sitting at about 1.00 even, and an era at 2.00 even. BA against has even been a tad below .200. If I’m the Reds, and he continues like this, and keeps throwing his fastball 95% of the time like he is now, then I’d certainly want him back in my bullpen.

      • Indy RedMan

        He has some value….opponents are only hitting .213 off him (.223 career). He’s throwing harder this year then he’s ever thrown (95-96 mph). He has 12 saves vs 5 blown but I wonder how many of the 5 were before he was the closer? I agree he can be good but I don’t really trust him in high leverage situations. If he’s one of the guys you can mix and match in the 6th-7th then ok but if they can trade him for a good prospect then I wouldn’t hesitate!

  10. VaRedsFan

    A couple of other team’s bullpen notes:

    1. Chapman’s 1st save situation was a 4-outer yesterday.
    2. Baker pulled Paplebon from his save situation last night for ineffectiveness.

    • Indy RedMan

      Supposedly the Nats offered their big-time prospect starter Lucas Giolito for Andrew Miller straight up but the Yankees declined. Giolito must have some questions after all the hype? Also several teams are talking to Pittsburgh about their closer Mark Melancon. That would seem like the Pirates are running up the flag a little bit though. They’re still in the wildcard race.

  11. BoldOD

    Chapman’s 4 out save last night got a lot of press. I watched Maddon’s comments (about his reasoning for pulling Rendon) and couldn’t help myself in noticing the contrast…

  12. Carl Sayre

    Off subject but I am seeing tidbits about Bruce in a 3 team deal going to the Dodgers anybody seen any serious information about this?