2016 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tony Disco Variety Hour

Final R H E
Atlanta Braves (33-62) 3 9 0
Cincinnati Reds (36-59) 6 12 0
W: DeSclafani (5-0) L: Harrell (1-2)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Anthony DeSclafani continued his strong campaign since returning from the disabled list (strained oblique). Tony Disco pitched eight innings, allowed two runs on eight hits, striking out three and walking zero. Disco is now 5-0 with a 2.50 ERA. That ain’t bad.

(He also threw 114 pitches, for those of you who care about those things. I’ve stopped worrying about pitch counts.)

–Lots of good performances on the offensive side of the ledger. Joey Votto and Tucker Barnhart each hit two-run homers (and Barnhart made a crazy defensive play, as well). Zack Cozart reached base three times, with a single and two walks. Jose Peraza, actually getting a start today (in left field), went 2-4 with 2 RBI. Billy Hamilton and Eugenio Suarez had two hits each (Suarez added a stolen base and a HBP, as well).

The Bad
–Ross Ohlendorf surrendered a homer on his second pitch. That was the 19th time this season that a Reds reliever has given up a home run to the first batter. It’s getting as predictable as night and day.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–I don’t want to alarm anyone, but the Reds have won their first two series of the season’s second half. It’s pretty clear to all informed observers that the Reds are on their way to getting back into the Wild Card race.

(I don’t care that they were playing the Brewers and Braves. Don’t harsh my mellow, man!)

–After giving up a home run to Freddie Freeman in the top of the first inning, DeSclafani struck him out three straight times.

–In his last six games, Joey Votto is 11 for 20. Plus six walks, a couple of homers, a double…he’s baaaaack.

–The Reds wore 2006 throwbacks today. Those were some of the worst uniforms the club has worn in my lifetime, but they looked pretty cool today on the current players. Let’s not make a habit of wearing those, however. No more vests. Okay?

–Can we play Atlanta or Milwaukee every game the rest of the way? Pretty please?

43 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: The Tony Disco Variety Hour

  1. I’ve got a bad case of Disco Fever !!! The man can pitch, and we got him for Mat Latos, who hasn’t done anything since. One of the best Reds trades I can recall.

    • We can all hate on Jocketty but that was a good trade!!! I’m still a believer that the Cueto trade will be good in the long run although in that case the Reds really didn’t have much choice but to let him go. They didn’t have to trade Latos but they sure got a keeper when they did.

      • They knew Latos was injured. Lucky the Marlins with no scouting dept. on a shoestring budget did not. What if we could get Jurickson Profar and couple arms for Disco? But yet . . Joey Gallo.

        • Reds shouldn’t and won’t trade Disco if they aren’t overwhelmed. I’m not sure even getting Profar or Gallo straight up would be worth us giving up 5 more years of Disco. Think of what the Braves want for Teherán or what the A’s want for Sonny Gray, and that’s what we would need to trade Disco right now.

    • Latos/Disco trade, Suárez/Simón trade, Leake/Duvall trade all looking pretty good already.

      • Since Simon “bounced back” to Jockety, let’s trade him again. OK, how about trading for a “Get Out of Jail FREE” card.

  2. bailey threw 83 pitches today. getting closer to a return. realize no rush but pushing innings limits on a couple of guys. some might not think that important but let me say two words…. Matt Harvey.
    anybody thinks stephenson gets a start either friday or sunday so we can continue to give guys like finnegan and reed time.
    know he walks too many guys but who doesn’t.

    • The answer to your question is Disco. He doesn’t walk a bunch of guys. The fact that he doesn’t walk a bunch of guys is the answer to the question of “why has Disco been so good?”.

      🙂

  3. Cozart, Hamilton, Votto has been working out very well at the top of the order. Obviously mainly because of Votto, but Hamilton is back to where he was before the concussion: getting on base. Hamilton-Votto work very together. Joey doesn’t swing at everything, so BHam gets a chance to run.

    And imagine being a pitcher facing Votto and at the same time having to keep track on what Billy is doing on the bases ? A pitcher’s nightmare.

    BTW I don’t want to see Hamilton returned to the leadoff spot. Make him earn it over a period of time. Also he puts pressure on himself when batting leadoff – let him just continue to make progress without that pressure.

  4. I don’t care it was against a very bad Braves team a win is a win. I am taking this stance thinking anything that keeps us from 100 losses hopefully!!!!!

    • I’m with you. I don’t want 100 losses, it’s a mark that stands forever.

      The Braves are a major league team – the win counts, and it sure beats losing to them.

    • If we can lose 99 games AND still get the #1 overall pick, that would be ideal in a season like this.

      • What’s an interesting indicator on the state of affairs and tanking in MLB is that the Reds may lose 100 and still end up with the 3rd overall pick (not the 1st).

  5. I’ve criticized the Reds 2016 base running a lot, so this time want to balance a positive with a negative. The Reds have done a much better job this year than last on plays at the plate. The play on Suarez was close (Braves broadcasters thought he was out, whatever) and the Reds have scored a lot of runs this year on close plays at the plate, without getting thrown out as much a last year.

    Where they have been thrown out at home, it’s usually been in 2 out situations where giving it a try was the right play. I give Hatcher credit for this.

  6. Now for the negative. It was just a few weeks ago that I criticized Suarez for getting thrown out trying to steal 3rd. Today he had just stolen 2nd, which was nice, putting himself in scoring position for BP, with a struggling LHed pitcher on the mound and BP still hits lefties pretty well (better than righties, anyway). Nice shot at an insurance run. Then Suarez tries to steal 3rd and the rest is predictable: he’s thrown out and BP singles. Costs the Reds a run.

    Why are mediocre Reds base runners trying to steal 3rd so often ?
    The old adage is that if you try to steal 3rd, you’d better make it. If the pitcher ignores you or you catch the IF napping, fine, steal 3rd. Otherwise Hamilton and Peraza are the only ones who should even be thinking about it.
    Everyone on the Reds seems to have a green light to run at any time, and that’s just a bad practice.

    • Maybe if we were in the playoff hunt I might agree but we are not, I would want to see players this season try just about everything, see what they can and can’t do, observe and maybe address why they are not successful in ST next year. This season should be all about trial and error.

      • I’m with Pinson on this. Yes, the Reds should be experimenting, seeing which young players can play where, etc., but I don’t see the value in experimenting with slowish guys trying to steal 3rd.

        • There is aggressive on the base paths, and there is dumb on the base paths. Suarez trying to steal third there was not very smart.

  7. Nice win today, I was wondering if anyone has sat up in the new “District” area at the ballpark and what they thought of it?

    • I was supposed to earlier in the season but it was rained out. Walking by there, it doesn’t look like you get a great view of the field.

  8. My thinking is that Stephenson is up soon when the fifth starter is need. When Bailey is ready to return, Finnegan goes to the bullpen because of innings, or Straily is part of a trade package to get more YOUNG talent (I like Straily, regardless of what some perceive as his weak peripherals), or both.
    Because of his time in the minors since being signed, Amir Garrett HAS to be on the Reds 25 man roster next Spring (already on the 40 man) and so I would give him until September in AAA, then bring him up when rosters are expanded, and let him start 3-4 games in September. He WILL be part of the rotation next Spring, unless his arm falls off.

    Potential rotation next Spring (baring injuries): Bailey, Desclafani, Reed, Stephenson, Garrett. This leaves Finnegan and Lamb as “odd men out”, unless somebody is hurt or just bombs out. Finnegan can surely be effective in the pen and as a long man or as a starter, or whatever role he is given.
    I think that Lamb is probably going to be part of a trade, unfortunately. I think he could be pretty good, but I think his back surgery weakened him physically for this calendar year.
    Bullpen: Lorenzen, Iglesias, Cingrani,Finnegan, Straily (?), Wood, Peralta (AAA now), Jumbo Diaz (?), Lamb (?).
    One or more of those (?) could be gone before next Spring.

    • I may be wrong, but I thought Garrett was only in his 2nd year on the 40-man. Players get 3 options years, meaning he can be in the minors next year without exposing him to waivers.

      • I believe you are correct H4V. Garrett has one more remaining option after this season. I think he weeill get a good hard look as a starter on the 25-man roster in 2017, but he will have a safety net remaining if necessary.

        • I’m actually starting to believe that Garrett will be in the Opening Day rotation next season. And he’ll be in Cincinnati before this season is over.

          That kid’s star is RISING.

    • I know we’re always talking about it, and thinking about it, but seeing those names for next year’s rotation listed out aroused me a little bit.

      Could be a special group (*pray for health*).

    • I don’t know if the Reds keep Bailey, just thinking out loud but if he looks good in his first 2-4 starts before Sept 1.and with his salary, I just don’t think he will be in reds uniform next year. They have too many guys available that together don’t make in a year what Homer makes in a week. Just saying that money can be used to add a proven bat, Just saying.

      • I can’t imagine that teams would be lined up to pay 18 million per year to a guy that just missed 1.75 years after a few good starts.

        • Maybe somebody would do an off the wall trade like the Braves have done and take Bailey’s contact to get Disco also???? I don’t think the Reds are in a situation where they need to do that though.

      • I agree with Chuck that just a few starts would be a tough sell and Bailey is still working within spring training readiness when he does return. With that said, if Bailey comes out of the chute and dominates with the market for starting pitching being what it is this season, stranger thangs have happeneded. There are some deep pockets out there that are clamoring for top of the rotation pitching. If the Reds can move Bailey, I sure hope they do and roll the dice that the young pitchers grow into their roles. I doubt that Bailey would return much at this point if the Reds can move him during the trade deadline, but a low-level hitting prospect with a solid plate approach might be doable.

  9. Dang it, I like to see all the running and challenging throws. But, they have got to learn how to run smart, now. They are running into too many plays where they simply don’t have a chance. As long as they progress on learning this, I have no problem with the running; it would be much better than under the last manager. But, if they don’t learn how to run smart, then yes, I would prefer how it was under the last manager.

  10. A lot of trade rumors swirling. If the Yankees get the Cubs Kyle Schwarber for Aroldis Chapman, the Reds new front office has some serious issues. It should probably take Andrew Miller to get Schwarber, but stranger things have happened.

    • Epstein is a better GM than that.

      Cashman has been noted as coveting Schwarber and the Cubs have said they aren’t interested in moving him. Theo has all the leverage and would take the Yankees to the bank

      • Oh I agree. But many baseball talking heads are seeing that differently. But Theo might have a chance to put a dagger through the hopes of the rest of the contending teams’ pennant aspirations. The NL West just got weaker, the Mets and Nationals have to make a move or two. The Pirates and Cards will beat each other up and need a move or two.
        I wouldn’t trade Schwarber for two months of Chapman, and maybe not for Chapman and Miller. Plus the Cubs have the cash needed to extend Chapman a lenghty, high $$$ contract before he can reach free agency.
        However the Cubs traded for a LH reliever today. That might take a Cubs-Yankees trade to the back burner and reduces their need for a LH.
        Maybe the Reds front office could step up and offer five years of Iglesias for 5 years of Schwarber?? Intra-division trades sometimes happen. Not likely here, but who knows.
        Who knows what is really transpiring out there in Tradeland??

        • As always, I genuinely admire your desire to explore possibilities, but there is no way that Epstein trades Schwarber for Chapman straight up. I love watching Chapman, but he’s a 60 inning player who is a UFA in 2 months. The Cubs could re-sign him, but I doubt they would want to pay a closer that amount.

          Iglesias for Schwarber would be grounds for termination. The Cubs aren’t going to trade Schwarber to a division “rival” for a pitcher who may be good someday.

    • Per a USA Today article, The Cubs would have to have their minds blown to trade Kyle. And Chapman/Miller combo wouldn’t qualify.

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