2016 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds are no longer undefeated in the second half

Final R H E
Milwaukee Brewers (39-50) 9 12 0
Cincinnati Reds (33-58) 1 9 0
W: Nelson (6-7) L: Lamb (1-7)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Joey Votto had four hits, including a double. Keyvius Sampson, of all people, pitched four scoreless innings in relief.

The Bad
–Everything else.

–You won’t see a much worse start than we saw from John Lamb tonight: two innings, nine runs allowed on nine hits. Lamb has had some nice moments this season, but right now he sits at 1-7 with a 6.43 ERA. He’s not exactly grabbing his opportunity to be a big league starter. I still think he can be a contributing member of the next good Reds team, but the bullpen might be his eventual destination.

–Bryan Price was ejected, which seemed like the least he could do.

Not-So-Random Thoughts
–I don’t know what else to say. This was not a fun game to watch. I guess an appearance by Milton is all that remains:

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati's performance tonight.

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati’s performance tonight.

21 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Reds are no longer undefeated in the second half

  1. Lamb may be the most frustrating player on this team’s roster. Flashes of really great stuff and then short frames of just utter helplessness

  2. I am beginning to think we might not have gotten the best end of the Cueto trade. Originally I thought we took them. Oh well.

    • pretty clear to me at the conclusion of game 2 of the series. World championships don’t come along that often.

    • I think it’s way too early to think that.

      At least, I hope so. But Lamb certainly isn’t making many believers. (In Reed and Finnegan we trust.)

  3. At least Sampson’s appearance kept them from burning anybody remotely close to being on the bullpen A team in a wasted cause. Now it is up to Reed to give them a shot for those guys to finish out a win Sunday.’

      • KC got the ring so it’s a good deal for them
        Hopefully one or more of the three are on our team for a championship run

      • The last 3 innings pitched were a bright spot. He did enter the game with the bases loaded and immediately gave up 2 hits, and all 3 runs scored were charged to Lamb.

        • Fits with what I’ve been saying since Sampson got on the positive streak as a starter at AAA. He profiles more as a starter or a guy who comes in with a clean slate.

          IMO, since this still just his age 25 season, they should have left him at Louisville in the AAA rotation. If he had maintained the type of run he was on, come the next week or two, they’d have had a legitimate sweetener to package with Bruce or Cozart. Alternately they could have brought him later and put him in the MLB rotation when innings became a factor for some of the other guys. Again, if he tanked nothing lost. If he succeeded, they have a guy with some off season sweetening value or to hang onto as a back end starter for themselves.

  4. Lamb had Lucroy struck out on a pitch in the dirt. The umpire ruled it a foul tip, and Lucroy hit the next pitch in the stands for a 2 run HR.

    • And he gave up the preceding hit to Braun on a 1-2 count after he had just foul tipped what would have been strike 3. On an alternate timeline, Braun and Lucroy could have just as legitimately been back to back K’s.

  5. I really like the way Duvall hustles. Down 9-1 in the ninth inning and he sprints to first to keep the game going. I will call that a positive.

    • I like Duvall all around. That’s twice in 2 nights he’s legged out a potential GIDP and a run has scored on the back end (saturday there were no outs so it really didn’t matter which makes his effort even more notable).

  6. Not ready to throw in the towel on Lamb yet, but he pitches with no confidence at this level, shows inability to mix his pitches when called for. I think that there is AAA seasoning needed for him to mature before giving all of this another shot, starting right now. Getting shelled every fifth day is not going to help him become MLB-ready. We’ve seen the proof. Isn’t it about due time to give Stephenson a chance to prove his credentials…or even Amir Garrett? We are at the point where fully assessing 2017, as kind of an extended 2017 spring training, is all we have left to provide any value to this season.

    And, my biggest indictment of Price as manager is that we pinpoint and laud any notable “great efforts in losing cause” play by our roster. A good manager in this rebuild would have his roster playing focused and hungry in spite of the awful record. The ole efforts in the field, the incessant tootblans, catchers who can’t hold strikes (yes, you, 4-A Ramon Cabrera), these are all signs that a change in leadership is needed as well. The youngsters need to learn how to play by both example and their own actions starting now, (And I guess one waits till spring on that if the right person isn’t available now, the “interim position fill” would probably improve nothing.)

    • And you win the prophet of the day award. From @mlbrostermoves:

      “@Reds option LHP John Lamb to Triple-A Louisville; recall OF Kyle Waldrop from Triple-A”.

      Will it be Bailey, Stephenson, or somebody else starting in this spot on the next go around (I’ve already inferred above I might give the shot to Sampson).

      • Just checked the schedule. With the off day next Thursday, the Reds won’t need a 5th starter until they are in San Francisco. I believe if they keep Bailey on the same routine, the days will count out for him to pick up the spot then.

  7. Regarding Lamb: I think his back surgery last winter did not allow him to be at full strength, regarding “core” body strength. There is nothing wrong with his arm, but he is still not at full strength. The time off let some of his core strength atrophy. He had a fastball last night that topped out at 90. He knew he did not have a good fastball last night, and was reluctant to use it.
    My guess would be Stephenson would be up next, to stay. Finnegan is about to get limited out by innings as a starter. He then goes to the bullpen Homer should be up in about 10 days to 2 weeks. At least one, maybe two more rehab starts. I think Reed goes down to AAA unless his location with pitches gets better.

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