Final R H E
Chicago Cubs (49-26) 11 17 1
Cincinnati Reds (29-48) 7 7 1
W: Arrieta (12-2) L: Straily (4-5)
FanGraphs Win Probability | Box Score

The Good
–Two home runs and a walk for Joey Votto tonight; three runs scored and three RBI. That’ll do, Joey. That’ll do.

–Nice night for Billy Hamilton. He was 1-2 with two walks, an infield single earned by his speedy legs, two stolen bases, and two runs scored. When Hamilton plays like this, he looks like an MVP candidate.

–Adam Duvall had two doubles and 2 RBI.

The Bad
–Losing to the stupid Cubs is always bad.

–The Reds pitching staff was bad tonight. Dan Straily allowed seven runs on nine hits in 3.2 innings pitched. The bullpen wasn’t much better, and I just don’t have the heart to get into the details.

–Chicago’s Kris Bryant went 5-5 with three homers and two doubles tonight. That was the first time in more than a century that a player has accomplished that feat. The only good news? Both Bryant and Votto are on my fantasy team.

Not-So-Random Thoughts

–When you touch up Cubs ace Jake Arrieta — who no-hit the Reds the last time they faced each other — for five runs in five innings, you hate to lose that game. It doesn’t happen often.

–Votto’s first home run moved him past the immortal Eric Davis on the Reds all-time list. Next in Votto’s sights? Junior Griffey.

–You know what’s more entertaining than watching the Reds? Listening to the Redleg Nation Radio podcast. Here’s the latest episode, and you can subscribe via iTunes or your favorite podcast device. We’d certainly appreciate it if you’d subscribe, leave a review, and tell your friends.

–I’m sick of losing to the Cubs. And that’s all I’m going to say about that right now. Hopefully John Lamb can make everything better tomorrow.

68 Responses

  1. Patrick Jeter

    Votto and Bryant just had you a good week… nicely done, sir… nicely done.

  2. Steve Mancuso

    Marty went on a long rant in the first inning about how Joey Votto has become nothing more than a singles hitter. This, obviously, was a ridiculous statement even before the rest of the game took place. Votto’s two home runs were a pretty good answer.

    I know this isn’t saying anything novel, but Marty Brennman really, really doesn’t like Joey Votto. He slants his commentary in the strongest way against him whenever he can. Tonight is the perfect example of it.

    There’s nothing wrong with Brennaman speaking his mind. But it would be nice if he happened to be right about things more often and didn’t base his opinions on obvious biases or cluelessness.

    Telling it like it isn’t is nothing to admire, folks.

    • Dan

      Votto is more than a singles hitter but his pace for 180K’s is troublesome especially when you consider that he is beginning to get to those fading years. Glad he had a huge game.

      • Patrick Jeter


        To me, his K-rate is really the ONLY thing that troubles me about Votto this year. He’s hitting the ball as well as he’s ever hit the ball. He’s having poorer than usual BABIP luck. His power (HR/FB%) is 2nd to only his 2010 MVP season, also. All good signs.

        To be honest, though, a shift in how he’s being pitched and how he’s being umped is likely causing most of the K-related issues. Not physical decline (IMO).

    • James H.

      I can listen to Marty if the team is winning or trying to win, but when they’re losing, the guy just becomes too unbearable to stomach.

    • lwblogger2

      What kills me is that even before the HRs tonight, Votto was on pace for over 20 HR. I’m not a big fan of “on pace for” type of things, but to say Votto just hits singles is pretty ludicris. I can’t stand listening to him or to Thom. It’s such a shame in Marty’s case because because he is such a good play-by-play person.

    • VaRedsFan

      You guys are missing the big picture. This is all a ploy to get him going again. Worked last year when Votto wasn’t elite anymore.

      Sometime you have to dig deep people. 😉

    • CTRedsFan

      Yes, Votto will still connect on 20-25 homers but, I think, Marty’s point is more about the disappearing line drive gap power. Votto has always been a prolific doubles hitter, no more.

      He has one more double than Tucker Barnhart, he has fewer doubles than, the much maligned, Phillips or Hamilton and his slugging percentage is 30 points below Cozart. It’s a valid concern.

      • Patrick Jeter

        It’s not a valid concern outside of the normal aging curve of professional athletes. And since that is not something that can be controlled, again, not really a valid concern.

        Besides, hitting doubles is not really a skill. It’s a byproduct of hitting the ball hard (Votto is doing that at a career-best rate this year) and hitting line drives (26,4% this year versus career average of 25.3%). Or, with some players, a byproduct of speed. Also, Votto’s approach doesn’t lend itself very well to down-the-line doubles. And with the way outfields can position themselves more intelligently, now, Votto’s effective gaps are smaller than ever.

        So, Votto is hitting the ball hard more consistently than he EVER has, and he’s hitting as many line drives as ever.

        So why is his lack of doubles a valid concern?

      • CTRedsFan

        I guess it’s not a concern if you don’t mind paying $25 million a year for a singles hitter.

        If he isn’t hitting doubles, which you stipulated to, and he will hit 20-25 homers than about 70% of his hits this season will be singles. Making him a singles hitter, exactly what Marty said.

      • Patrick Jeter

        Gotcha. You agree with Marty that Votto is a singles hitter.

    • Patrick Jeter

      Has Marty ever said BP is a singles hitter? Doubt it.

  3. Chuck Schick

    The current Marty is what happens when a talented, successful person moves into odd zone of being untouchable and accountable to no one. We’re watching our version of Bob Knight and General McCarthur. Unless he crosses the racial/sexual orientation line, he can say whatever he wants and Bob C. will do nothing. It’s sad,because he was once very good at his job…, he’s that obnoxious uncle espousing conspiracy theories at Thanksgiving Dinner.

    • kmartin

      Chuck, I wonder how much of this is due to not having Joe Nuxhall as his broadcast partner to tone him down. I think Marty had great respect for Joe Nuxhall and I am not sure how Nuxhall would react to some of Marty’s statements about Votto, Bruce, and others. I think Marty was accountable to Joe. This comment is in no way meant to imply anything negative about Jim Kelch or Jeff Brantley as broadcast partners. Kelch and Brantley are not the father figure Joe was to Marty.

      • ohiojimw

        My recollection is that Joe would make it clear when he did not agree with Marty’s editorializing. However, in his own right, Joe was never shy about unloading on guys who in his opinion made stupid plays.

      • Chuck Schick

        KMartin…..I believe Joe’s passing had a huge impact in that Joe could call him out when he crossed the line and Joe was his equal. I’m reasonably sure that Kelch and Brantley carry Marty’s golf clubs and re-fill his ice tea. If Marty wants either of those guys gone…they’d be gone.

  4. John Ross

    Even though the Reds lost. For me there was a bright spot (besides Votto’s 2 HR’S and scoring 8)……Phillips was not hitting 3rd. What does it take for Price to come to the conclusion BP hitting higher than 6th in any lineup is crazy…. and Holt cant freaking hit… Holt is ALWAYS first bat off bench in clutch spots for Price…. why not see what Selsky or Waldrop has as bench Bats…. Holt has NO future. Phillips has had a decent career, he IS DONE…..won’t even rant on bullpen

    • Greatredlegsfan

      Certainly, Philips and Suarez are hurting the offense big time, need of a line-up shake-up.

      • Shchi Cossack

        Suarez WAS “hurting the offense big time”, but that was a reflection of his absurdly poor performance during May (.173/.229/.357 w/ 35% SO%). April OPS was .770 & June OPS is .797. Even for the total 2016 performance, Suarez’ OPS is .712, which is league average and 5th on the team.

    • Patrick Jeter

      Holt is a good defender who can play all 3 OF positions and gets on base decently well for a bench bat. I think that is his future.

  5. jessecuster44

    Mike Lorenzen won’t get anyone out if he cant keep the ball down. Ugh. Can anyone on this team pitch?

    • Greatredlegsfan

      Hard to tell, the starting rotation looks promising and plentiful with Reed, Lamb, Finnegan, Bailey, Stephenson & Disco; but the bullpen looks terrible, nobody seems to be capable of performing an easy 1-2-3 inning. It’ll need a major overhaul for next year.

      • dan

        Lamb, Bailey, Stepenson, Reed are still unproven.
        Finnegan and Disco… yeah they are the real deal now we need to find at least 3 more that can 1) not walk so many batters 2) keep the ball in the ballpark and 3) pitch late into games to rest the bullpen.

      • Hotto4Votto

        Bailey is unproven? Or hasn’t proven he’s healthy and ready to compete again? Typically guys who sign the contract he signed have proven it on the field. Now, whether he’s the same pitcher coming back is another matter.

      • jessecuster44

        That thing has needed to be overhauled for the last two years and they didn’t get it right. What makes anything different for year 3?

  6. TomatoTovotto

    During Arietta’s no-hitter, I seem to remember Thom(!) telling Cubs fans during the 8th or 9th inning to stop cheering for their team, since it was somehow offensive to enjoy your team winning; tonight, Welsh implores Cubs fans–with a win locked up in the 9th–to contribute to the Reds Community Fund. Obviously, there was a push on tonight, but the tone/attitude difference was noticeably refreshing.

    • Patrick Jeter

      Also interesting to note, the Cubs announcers were saying they were happy Bryant did not go out for a curtain call. Jason Heyward was physically trying to push Bryant up to the top step, but Bryant would have none of it. The Cubs announcers then insinuated it would have been classless to do that on the road in someone else’s ballpark.

      • lwblogger2

        Good move by Bryant in my opinion. It’s not a question of doing it for your road fans but more of not showing up a team in their home ballpark. These are your opponents but they are also your peers. You wouldn’t want someone to do it in your park, so you stay in the dugout there and maybe give a shout out to the Cubs’ road contingent during a post-game interview.

      • lwblogger2

        I’ll add that he just earned ‘class points’ in my book too. His opponents and some of his teammates will respect him more for not going out.

      • Patrick Jeter

        Agreed. I’ve liked Bryant since I started following him in spring training last year. This just ups my opinion of him.

  7. james garrett

    Marty/BP will continue to do just whatever they want to do because they get away with it.I like and respect both of them but its a classic example of the old school network.Neither perform anywhere close to where they used too yet they are revered as if they do by the folks that write the checks.This is why owners of professional sports teams clean house when things hit rock bottom.Can’t have anybody still employed that can influence the rest.

  8. ohiojimw

    Straily is giving the Reds plenty of reasons to call up Stephenson or even have another look at Keyvius Sampson as an MLB starter.

    • WVRedlegs

      No. Not Devious Keyvius. I’ve seen more than enough HR’s hit by opposing batters.

      • ohiojimw

        Since Sampson went into the Louisville starting rotation in mid May, he’s, arguably pitched better than anyone else in that rotation during the same period including Cody Reed. 45.2IP in 8 starts (he only pitched 3.1 in his first start. Take it out and he is 6+ innings per start) His WhIP is under 0.9, He’s allowed 2HR both in his one poor outing (4 runs in 6.1 innings); 45K’s, right at 9 per 9IP pitched

    • Chad Dotson

      Straily was probably always destined to be a reliever with this team anyway. Wouldn’t be surprised it that happened by the end of the season.

    • Patrick Jeter

      I’d hope for more than a reliever for Bruce.

      • lwblogger2

        Brock Stewart just got called up and will be starting. He’s started most his MiLB career and may well be a rotation guy.

      • lwblogger2

        I believe he’s going to start today against the Brewers. Not sure about that though and don’t know if the Dodgers have announced it yet.

      • lwblogger2

        Yeah, Stewart is listed as the Dodgers’ probable today.

      • WVRedlegs

        Yes he will be the starter for the Dodgers today.
        Stewart has gone from A+ to AA to AAA to the Majors in just this year. At the 3 minor league stops he has combined for 14 games started, 86 IP, 57 H’s, 14 BB’s, and 99 K’s. That is something.

      • lwblogger2

        No idea how he does it either. The stuff is good but not spectacular. I’m hoping I can peek in on that game today.

  9. Westfester

    I have no idea why Barnhardt called for the upstairs fastball to Bryant in the 8th. Ohlendorf pitched it right where Tucker wanted it (his glove didn’t move). You can tell by both of their reactions that was an incredibly stupid call.

    • ohiojimw

      It getting old seeing Barnhart react like that. Most of the blame is on the pitchers; but, with the way the HR thing is staff wide, some of it has to also fall to the philosophy of how they approach pitching people.

      BTW, to my eye both the Bryant HRs off Straily looked like essentially the same pitch in the same location.

      • lwblogger2

        Makes me think the pitch was called from the dugout and Barnhart didn’t like it.

      • ohiojimw

        You’ve mentioned that suspicion before which is why I laid off Barnhart in particular and mentioned their overall philosophy.
        However, it seems like Lamb is giving up fewer HRs since he and Cabrera have been regularly paired.

      • lwblogger2

        Yeah, unless I’m at the game, I can’t really tell if pitches are being called from the dugout or not. Also, a lot of times it’s just the location that may be called from the dugout. Lastly, the pitcher can always shake off that pitch. Maybe less likely because of fear of repercussion but my philosophy is a pitcher shouldn’t ever really have to throw a pitch he doesn’t want to throw.

      • IndyRedMan

        A normal team in a normal year would have more then 1 lefty on their staff in which case a normal manager would pitch around Bryant there and then bring in the lefty for Rizzo. Of course the Reds don’t care so we get to see a bunch of baseballs put into orbit at a dizzying rate!

  10. lwblogger2

    Remember when we used to say “Cubs, good for what ails ya!”?

    Well, now I wonder if the Cubs fans say “Reds, good for what ails ya!”?

    • Steve Mancuso

      And Cleveland fans, and Cardinals fans, and Mariners fans …

      • lwblogger2

        Ha! Thanks Steve! That’s not helping 😉

  11. WVRedlegs

    For those that don’t think bullpen roles are fleeting and can change quickly.
    The STL Cardinals just removed the closer tag from Trevor Rosenthal. Got demoted within their pen to a new role. Bullpens, you can’t live with them, and you can’t live without them.

    • Patrick Jeter

      It’s nice to have an Oh to fall back on. Dude has been unhittable.

  12. Patrick Jeter

    Against currently active Cy Young winners, Joey Votto is batting .333/.429/.636 in 154 PA.

    That list includes Arrieta, Greinke, Kershaw, Keuchel, Colon, Sabathia, Peavy, Scherzer, Dickey, Kluber, Price, Verlander, and Hernandez.

    • WVRedlegs

      I knew there was a reason we love this Votto guy. Isn’t there some kind of saying about how the best rise to the occasion when facing the best. Kudos for Votto wanting to be a part, and cornerstone, of the re-build/re-whatever. Votto is a big part of that process. BP, on the other hand, is in the way of that process.

  13. james garrett

    The Cards play to win and if you don’t perform they try others.

  14. Shchi Cossack

    The lineup for today’s game has just been posted, and the Phillips saga continues…

    After last night’s game, (including a backup catcher covering for the injured starting catcher and a defense-only CF):

    Phillips ranks 8th of the 8 regulars in OPS
    .899 OPS => Bruce
    .871 OPS => Duvall
    .822 OPS => Votto
    .793 OPS => Cozart
    .716 OPS => Suarez
    .676 OPS => Hamilton
    .674 OPS => Barnhart
    .670 OPS => Phillips

    Phillips ranks 8th of the 8 regulars in OBP
    .376 OBP => Votto
    .325 OBP => Bruce
    .318 OBP => Barnhart
    .314 OBP => Cozart
    .300 OBP => Hamilton
    .295 OBP => Suarez
    .290 OBP => Duvall
    .289 OBP => Phillips

    Phillips ranks 5th of the 8 regulars in AVG
    .278 AVG => Bruce
    .268 AVG => Cozart
    .258 AVG => Hamilton
    .255 AVG => Duvall
    .253 AVG => Phillips
    .249 AVG => Barnhart
    .248 AVG => Votto
    .228 AVG => Suarez

    In addition, Phillips ranks 11th of 11 qualifying NL 2B in fld% at .973 and has a per replacement level WAR of 0.0. Yet, Phillips not only continues to start at 2B, but hit in the #3 hole.

    • lwblogger2

      We call it, the ol’ veteran treatment.

      • Patrick Jeter

        The more this goes on, the more I’m convinced it has to do with something internal related to BP’s attitude and/or his relationship with Price and the FO.

        There’s no way Price can really think Phillip’s is a middle of the order hitter. I don’t think anyone is that ignorant.

      • Chuck Schick

        If they bat him in the middle of the lineup and play him every day then no one can reasonably claim “they disrespected a veteran” when it comes time to bench him. He was treated with respect and given every opportunity to play his way out of his current funk.

      • lwblogger2

        Even Marty said something to the effect of him not hitting a HR since the beginning of May and “yet he’s still hitting in that number 3 slot”

  15. james garrett

    BP is taking playing time away from others that may be here next year and beyond.This is my only problem and I would feel the same way if he was tearing it up.CHUCK may be right about him being a veteran but when do you say enough is enough.