2016 Reds

Recap: Reds forget to pack offense on road trip

The Reds have managed 4 runs in the past 32 innings. They’ve scored 3 or fewer in 8 of their last 9 games. Francisco Liriano had walked 17 batters in 21 innings this year, but the Reds failed to draw one in 6.2 innings. Meanwhile, Pirate batters drew five. The Reds have lost six in a row.

We’ve rightfully been wringing our hands over the pitching. But at least there are a handful of major league pitchers working their way back from injury. No such cavalry is on the horizon for the offense. TOS. The Reds front office has done an excellent job acquiring and developing a deep pitching system, but they have a long, long way to go in putting together the position player lineup of the future.

Reds 1  Pirates 5  |  FanGraphs  |  Opposite of Reds offense

Failure to Perform Clause?  Innings eater Alfredo Simon made it through 4 tonight. It was his second longest start out of five this year. Simon gave up six hits, 4 walks, a wild pitch and a hit batter, throwing 98 pitches before he was pulled with two runners on base. He also committed a bone-headed base-running mistake. Signing him for $2 million looks great. Gotta believe the $1.5 million in “performance bonuses” are out of reach, though. 

Run, Billy Ran The Reds tied the game in the fifth inning when Billy Hamilton singled and scored on a double by Zack Cozart (Reds MVP) down the left field line. Hamilton’s slide evaded the tag at home.

Bullpen Report J.C. Ramirez gave up only one base runner in two innings. Tony Cingrani gave up two singles but that was the best control he’s had in a while. Cingrani’s fastball was measured at 95-96 mph throughout the inning, hitting 97 mph twice. Caleb Cotham hadn’t given up a home run until the 2-run blast he surrendered to pinch hitter Sean Rodriguez in the 8th.

Bad News on Pitchers From C. Trent Rosecrans: Raisel Iglesias felt a “pinch” in his right shoulder on Friday and was examined on Saturday. Anthony DeSclafani felt discomfort in his side during Friday night’s rehab start in Dayton. Bryan Price said he’s talked to DeSclafani, who said his side wasn’t painful, there was just an awareness of the muscle. “(It’s) probably a healed injury, but sometimes the scar tissue creates irritability, and that’s where we are with both those guys,” Price said.

34 thoughts on “Recap: Reds forget to pack offense on road trip

  1. Reds have a habit of making ordinary pitchers look like All Cy Young Pitchers. Hot Start by Bruce is (Predictably) gone. At least the Reds don’t have pressure on them this year to compete. Reds are a small market team, and can’t possibly sign big players or the Big Bat we have been looking for a while, like teams San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York can. Even though..it will never ever happen, thats why there needs to be a salary cap in Baseball!

  2. This offense really does stink.

    What’s it going to look like when Cozart’s BABIP luck falls off? He’s drawn exactly 1 more walk then I have.

  3. Methinks I didn’t donate enough, during the pledge drive. This is going to be a long season for our poor Redleg Nation writers. God Bless.

  4. Pulling for Iggy to get us one win on this road trip before the big game on Monday with Cueto vs. Finnegan.

      • This might be a long term problem with Iggy, it’s the same shoulder that bothered him last year. Good grief.

        I keep hearing about major league starting pitchers returning to the rotation, but all I see are more major league pitchers leaving it.

        • It does seem that way, both that Iggy’s situation could be a while and that more guys are dropping along the wayside rather than returning.

          Price is making it sound like in other circumstances they might go on and push Disco but given the team’s current outlook they don’t intend to. A person really has to wonder at this point if Lamb’s scheduled rehab start Monday will instead be for the Reds sometime during the week. He did go 8 impressive innings at AAA in his most recent rehab.

  5. A man on…nobody out and Barnhart swings (and hammers) a 3-2 pitch about 4 inches off the ground that Cutch runs down. That pitch was so low that even these umps couldn’t screw it up? Hey atleast the Toddfather hit a tiebreaking 2 run shot in the 8th tonite! I hope the White Sox beat the Cubs in the WS and make them second class citizens in their own town…..after we trade them Cozart and Homer for some of their best minor league hitters!

      • I know….that’s all we can get right now? Nobody is going to give us affordable hitters already in the bigs

    • I wasn’t watching but from all accounts Angel Hernandez was having one of his typical anything could be called a strike on any given pitch nights. As the Reds catcher Barnhart may have swung because he’d seen similar pitches called strikes.

      • Very possible. But, the Pirates’ hitters managed to draw 5 walks. That’s a feat with Hernandez back there.

  6. The Price era, which will run from 2014 thru 2016, will be remembered for a lot of bad things. One of them will be “bad, slow base runners being aggressive (that is, stupid) and making a lot of TOOTLBANs.” Brayan Pena, Joey Votto, Alfredo Simon …. Alfredo Simon ???!!!!

    There’s an old adage about not wanting a pitcher to run the bases hard. It’s not talked about as much now, as the pitchers have become more athletic. (Mike Leake running the bases hard is a good thing). For Alfredo Simon, I think the old adage still holds. I had a feeling he wouldn’t retire another hitter.

    Maybe he wouldn’t have anyway, the really annoying thing is knowing that no one will get in his face for that. And how do I know that ? Because the Reds keep making the same dumb mistakes over and over.

    • For all the rationalizations that have been made in Price’s defense two things stand out to me that I think are beyond defense.

      One is the never ending string of TOOTBLANs. The other is that he hasn’t established a coherent pitching philosophy for the team.

      Renown first ball fastball hitters get thrown juicy firstball fastballs with regularity. The Reds also get regularly burned by big hits from ill conceived pitches thrown in pitcher’s counts.

      These are beyond simple physical mistakes. They are attempting to throw pitches they shouldn’t even be attempting in these situations. It makes a person wonder if a big part of the genius behind the Reds pitching success from 2010-2012 wasn’t in fact wasn’t Ryan Hanigan instead of Bryan Price.

      Oh, and by the way, these types of pitching mistakes are just another flavor of the carelessness and lack of detail orientation reflected in the TOOTBLANs.

      • +1 OJim…Physical errors can be tolerated as it is part of the game. It’s all the little mental errors, from just not being baseball smart that drive me crazy. Throwing to wrong bases, pitch selection, scouting reports, learning how to slide, base running errors, and a dozen or so managerial errors.

        At last year’s All Star Game, Price was amazed at how Bochy prepared and had a game plan for the game. I was flattened by that statement. Does that mean the the Reds don’t?

  7. I think this injury thing is always going to be the knock on Iglesias. He doesn’t look that durable and is now more than likely looking at his season #2 also being restricted to # of innings, and total pitches thrown. Shut him down and no need to bring him back until 2017. Hopefully by then he is rid of his nags.

    • I think shutting him down may be extreme but you have a solid point on his injuries being an issue. His delivery is better but still inconsistent and there were a lot of fears among scouts that he wouldn’t hold up to the workload of a MLB starting pitcher. It’s a shame because he’s got good stuff. I’m hoping the guy gets his shoulder straightened out and he can still give the Reds a good 150-160 IP this year.

  8. At some point, all the pitching injuries can’t be ascribed to just bad luck. I work in healthcare and if the facility I worked at was noticing a higher than normal number of urinary tract infections or hospital acquired infections we couldn’t just say “Oh, it’s just bad luck. It will get better. Let’s just move on.”

    Some of it could be bad luck and randomness. But you examine all your procedures and protocols and see where you may do better. Then educate your employees and implement a plan.

    I certainly hope the Reds are examining everything they do with their young pitchers at this point. Diet, strength training, workload, rest after exertion, even things such as psychological well being and positive motivation could play a role. I haven’t heard them say anything like this though.

    • I agree wholeheartedly.

      But let’s not forget that Michael Lorenzen was never a starter until the Reds chose to fast track him as one. Also, to the degree of the information available from Cuba indicates, Iglesias at age 24 was settled in as a reliever. Just about all the US scouts who saw him during his preview workouts saw him as a reliever; I believe durability questions were cited as a reason for so projecting him. The Reds however just like with Lorenzen saw knockout stuff and decided he needed to be a starter because of their critical need for starters. Then there is the case of Nick Howard…….

      • Well, who they draft and sign is part of it, though. I’m not just talking about looking to see what they are doing with the pitchers they have but also seeing if they’re bringing in the right guys to start with.

        Coming up with data to try and predict injury risk requires a long term commitment , though. Because if any team in baseball has found a secret, then it’s proprietary and they aren’t sharing. So, the Reds will have to do their own research, which involves hiring researchers with some experience with athlete related studies. It may take years to get any useful info but it could be extremely valuable.

    • Hypothetical question:

      If the Reds got to face a combination of Alfredo Simon, Tim Melville, and JJ Hoover for 9 innings how many runs would they score.

      I’ll set the over at 4.5

  9. Speaking of the MLB Draft, this would be nice. Notice how many walks vs strike outs. This may be someone that likes On Base Percentage, something the Reds are not accustomed to, for a while now.

    • 3B Nick Senzel, Tennessee — In 157 at-bats, he’s struck out just 14 times and walked 31 times.

  10. This year was to be an audition to see would could play and all we have seen is the same position players doing the same old thing.Our pitching improves when everybody gets healthy but this team is the same on offense as it has been the last three years.I looked last night at the OBP of the Bucs vs.the Reds and even Liriano’s was higher the any of our starters.We are cluless on working the count,hitting behind a runner,moving a runner over etc etc.

  11. And I don’t see how the “offense ” is going to get better. Soon, Jay Bruce will be gone, as will (probably) Zach Cozart. Brandon will probably stay on till his contract is out, batting clean-up, too.
    So we get Winker soon. Then what? The minor league cupboard is bare of potential major league hitters. Peraza will replace somebody on the infield, but this team is destined to be weak offensively for some years to come.

    • I’d rather be losing with Peraza & Winkler in the lineup than what we have now. If I’m Bruce, Cozart, BP, heck even Votto, I’d want out. You know the season’s over. I’d be surprised if Price made it to July. This team is not only awful but boring.

  12. Pitching takes another blow now though. MLB Network just reported that Iglesias has been scratched for today’s start with shoulder soreness. They say a DL trip isn’t out of the question. That’s not good.

      • AP was reporting last night that Tim Melville was going to get the start, even though it was widely reported to be Tim Adleman. So many pitchers coming and going, who can keep track?

  13. I am with SEZWHOM and have said it several times.Losing is losing so lets see Peraza and Winkler.

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