With the Reds’ record being what it is, some of you are wishing for Bryan Price’s team to lose their way to a better draft pick. I understand the logic in rooting for losses now. And I often find myself tempted to pull for rock bottom with the hope it might be the catalyst for the imperative of fundamental organizational change.

But ultimately, I’m not wired that way. So I continue to cheer for and savor every Reds win. Besides, I could never hope for good things to happen for the Cardinals.

A four-game sweep would have been wonderful. But the three wins over St. Louis were great. As we turn over the grimy rocks of this season, searching for any positives, there’s this: If the Cardinals continue their downward spiral and eventually fall short of their self-anointed destiny of winning the World Series, our Cincinnati Reds played a part in it this weekend.

Reds 2 Cardinals 9  |  FanGraphs  |  Your daily schadenfreude

Raisel Iglesias gave up a couple runs on 5 hits and 1 walk. He struck out 3 and shut the Cardinals out over the first four innings. Bryan Price lifted Iglesias after five, perhaps signaling the leading edge of concern for Iglesias’ workload. The score was tied 2-2 when Iglesias left the game.

Todd Frazier hit his 33rd homer for the game’s first run.

Marty Brennaman called it “one of the great double plays we’ve seen all year.” It was started by Joey Votto who happened to be laying flat on his back at the time (video).

Billy Hamilton had been 10-for-10 in stolen base attempts against Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina, until the 7th inning today.

Guys named Greg Garcia and Tommy Pham combined for the two winning runs off Sam LeCure, who gave up two hits and a walk on 12 pitches. LeCure set the tone for a poor effort by the Reds bullpen. Ryan Mattheus gave up a hit, a walk and committed and error in one inning. Carlos Contreras gave up two hits, a walk, a wild pitch and three runs in less than an inning. And Josh Smith surrendered a single, double and home run in his first 10 pitches. After a little searching in the thesaurus for antonyms of nasty (as in The Nasty Boys), these results seem apt: easy, facile and obliging. Yes, The Obliging Boys.

Steve grew up in Cincinnati as a die-hard fan of Sparky’s Big Red Machine. After 25 years living outside of Ohio, mostly in Ann Arbor, he returned to the Queen City in 2004. He has resumed a first-person love affair with the Cincinnati Reds and is a season ticket holder at Great American Ball Park. The only place to find Steve’s thoughts of more than 140 characters is Redleg Nation. Follow his tweets @spmancuso.

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  1. Even now, 3 of 4 makes me smile. Doubling them up yesterday was very sweet. I think you’re right about Iggy’s workload …. and I’m in support of that line of thinking. Time to get these kids in line to work through the off season and then rock and roll come spring. Iggy certainly figures to be a big part of the 2016 rotation.

    • I’m looking forward to the future we have some nice pieces. I think the trades made brought us some pitchers I think can be good pitchers I hope we bring in few more new faces for 2016

  2. This time of year always makes me feel melancholy. Another baseball season coming to its inevitable conclusion, and while some cities are gearing up for their post season runs, our Reds, as they have for much of the past decade and a half, are trudging through the final months with nothing to play for, playing in golden early autumn sunshine that seems to give everything an air of timelessness while at the same time fading away. It makes those glorious but brief playoff runs of 2010, 2012 and 2013 seem all the more magical in retrospect.

    How many Septembers have we just played out the thread? How many Septemebers were we just waiting for it to mercifully all end?

    For me, it was never. Win or lose, I root for my Redlegs, from the blossoming spring to the sweltering summer to the dying light of autumn. I will never root for them to lose.

    A sweep of the Cardinals would have been nice, but I will take those 3 wins. Winning a series against the Cardinals at this stage is at least a spark of happiness.

    • +50 and a tear in the corner of my left eye for the nostalgia of a true fan. It’s why we watch and follow as much as we do.

    • Nice. Your thoughts remind me of an article Bart Giamatti wrote about being a Red Sox and watching them get eliminated from the 1977 AL pennant race on the final weekend of the season, on a chilly, windy autumn day in Boston.

    • when we were up 2-0 against the giants I was thinking I waited 20 years for this then the heartache

  3. Both my Reds and Colt’s get a handy butt whipping handed to them today, not a good sports day.

  4. And the Pirates won in extra, keeping the pressure on The Best Fans In Baseball. So there’s that.

  5. Why wasn’t the St. Louis pitcher ejected in the ninth-inning when he hit a Reds batter with a pitch?

    • I don’t know… The game wasn’t on so I didn’t see the 9th. I listened to 700 on and off but missed the end of the game.

  6. 3 out of 4 ain’t bad.

    Is Josh Smith just a warm body at this point? There has to be someone whose performance has been more deserving to be in the show than this fellow.

    • Smith was one of the best starters with the Bats this year. I don’t know whether he just gets nervous or what.

      • Is he just a AAAA pitcher, not quite good enough for the “big show”? He certainly has been awful this year when with the Reds.

  7. Totally with Steve on not being wired to root for the Reds to lose. I would imagine that any Reds fan, while watching a game, is rooting for them to win that game, even if preferring a terrible record to just a bad record at the season’s end. (Otherwise, why watch the game – to savor a Cardinal win ?).

  8. I just read where the Cubs have completed a doubleheader sweep today and in the process mathematically eliminated the Reds from the 2nd WC spot. So the Reds are officially done with basically 3 weeks left to play.

  9. Heyward’s robbing the HR and Molina’s throwing out would-be base stealers epitomized a reversal from the first 3 games of the series.

  10. In 2006 the Reds had a great start which was ruined by a terrible bullpen. WLW had a contest for giving the Reds’ bullpen a nickname that would contrast them with The Nasty Boys. A popular choice was The Nice Boys.

    • Even with all the stuff that has happened this year with the Reds, if they had even a decent bullpen, they would have been a solidly mediocre club. Not real contenders but flirtish WC contenders to Labor day or so and probably ended up with 75-80 wins, and with a break or two been .500 +or- a game or two.

      • Ohiojimw…I mean no disrespect as I think you’re very insightful, but why would a possible wild card contender be a good thing?

        If the Reds won between 78 and 84 games every year…and were in contention for a wild card spot most years , would that be success? Again, I respect your opinion.

        • If they do manage a WC birth, it means they’d have a chance to win the World Series. Both pennant winners last year were wild card teams. I don’t think anyone thought it would be Giants/Royals in the World Series last year. Getting there regularly, even via the wild card is success.

        • The difference matters in terms of evaluation looking forward. Perhaps as a whole, this Reds team isn’t nearly as flawed as the result seems because one area is totally rotten and has skewed the results.
          The Red just went 6-4, winning 2 of the 3 series in the most recent pass through the three Central teams that will be in the playoffs unless one of them falls off the end of the earth and the Giants finish hotter than hot.

          That’s real world results from what in many ways looked like a AAA line up versus those three teams who are fighting tooth and nail for the division and wild card seeding.

          This suggests, if they fix the pen, get a reliable middle of the rotation type veteran starter to anchor the rotation and add a OBP guy (or two) for the front of the order,this team could be in the mix next year.

          As for depreciation of (legit) WC contention, you have to get in to win. Both the WS combatants last year were WC teams; and, it is not that unusual for WC teams to be in and win the WS. So, while a team should plan/ strive for better, don’t knock it if it is there to be had.

  11. Moscot (shoulder surgery on non throwing shoulder in June) is throwing on level ground. They may take a look at sending him to the fall league or an instructional league to get some inning in over the off season.

    If he progresses quickly enough, I wonder if they might let him throw some innings at the MLB level during the last week of the season. He is on the 60 day DL which means he is not currently on the 40 man roster; so, if they don’t have an open spot, they aren’t likely to make a 40 man move just to get him a couple of appearances.

    • Just a thought but I wonder about his non-throwling shoulder being able to withstand a collision or falling on it going to field a bunt or slow-roller. It would seem too risky to me to even have him in the Arizona Fall League. Keep him doing some throwing but have him ready to compete when February rolls around.

      • A good thought on your part.

        I was just thinking if they were pushing him forward; and, felt like he was ready prior to 4 Oct. wny not let him throw MLB innings versus holding him back since he is already collecting MLB pay and service time by being on the 60 man.

  12. I was at the game today. Despite the score, there were two pieces of good news:

    1. Iglesias actually pitched a nice game. he even pitched his way out of the jam he created with his own throwing error to 2nd base. he shows more maturity in such situations than Latos ever did. Iglesias looks like a winner.

    2. Finnegan was sharp in relief–and theat is very helpful. LeCure had nothing (including a 73MPH ptich which the Cards yanked down the line–and that was after his gopher ball). Finnegan came in and dominated–got all three outs without anyone else scoring (if my memory serves me well).

    Two questions:

    1. So why did Price not let Finnegan pitch the next inning as he was dominant when he was called (and would have been the lead off batter as well? I thought the Reds were stretching him out. Instead, he is on fire but gets one and only one inning. Price calls in Mattheus who, with his record of mediocrity, well, pulls a Mattheus. Ugh!

    2. Can’t a major league umpire get out of the way of a throw to first based. Is it that hard? Suarez threw wild to first only after he had to double-pump, as he had to hold onto the ball as the ump was standing tall in front of him in the line of his expected throw to first base. Unbelievable!

    Despite the score, Iglesias and Finnegan gave showing that give us hope for the next years. Yes, there is good news today!

    • Finnegan threw 2 innings on 9/11. Price clearly isn’t afraid of throwing him 2 innings. Perhaps he felt that he shouldn’t throw 2 innings each, two days apart. I can’t recall many relievers doing that.

    • Finnegan had just gone 2 innings Saturday. That could be it.

  13. Finnegan looks like a closer out on the mound. It has been only two outings, but he has looked good out of the pen. It could help usher in the exit of the Obliging Boys. And help creat the Nasty Boys 2.0. Or get a gang of 5 arms and call them the Filthy Five. Something that overhauls this bullpen.
    Cueto had another tough outing last night for KC. Jocketty’s getting 3 LHers from KC might be the biggest heist since the Great Train Robbery of 1886.
    Mike Leake finally got his 1st win for SF yesterday. He is now 1-3 in 6 starts for SF.
    Marlon Byrd has been fairly well for SF since his trade. In 22 games he has a .307 BA, 7 2B’s, 3HR and 23 RBI. He has 8 multi-hit games and 6 multi-RBI games. AND he has reached 481 Plate Appearances. I don’t think SF minds him getting to 550 PA’s, but we shall see. He is getting 4-5 PA’s per game.

  14. Instead of obliging boys, I’d go with gascan gang or flammable boys. They know how to add fuel to the fire.

  15. Can’t and won’t ever hope the Reds lose a game for any reason.Just can’t do it in fact I wish it was spring training again with Price/Walt gone and a young energetic data using GM in charge.Might as well hope for a new hard nose seasoned manager who is willing to do whatever it takes to put this team back on track.

  16. Let’s hope that ‘grit’ is not the new hard nosed seasoned manager.

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About Steve Mancuso

Steve grew up in Cincinnati as a die-hard fan of Sparky's Big Red Machine. After 25 years living outside of Ohio, mostly in Ann Arbor, he returned to the Queen City in 2004. He has resumed a first-person love affair with the Cincinnati Reds and is a season ticket holder at Great American Ball Park. The only place to find Steve's thoughts of more than 140 characters is Redleg Nation. Follow his tweets @spmancuso.


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