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Q&A with Rawly Eastwick

Rawly Eastwick was drafted by the Reds in 1969, and pitched for them from 1974 – 1977.  He led the league in saves in 1975 and 1976 (the only Red to lead the league in consecutive years), and was named the Sporting News NL Fireman of the Year in 1976.  He was credited with two wins and a save in the epic 1975 World Series.  He retired after the 1981 season and resides in the Boston area.  He also survived the great challenge of coaching me at Fantasy Camp.  We traded emails for the following interview, which has been lightly edited. 

Rawly Eastwick

Rawly Eastwick

When did you become aware the Reds were interested in you?  Were other teams scouting you?  Were you considering college?   I considered college and I was scouted by the Phillies and Pirates. I had no idea that the Reds were looking at me. Two brothers that were scouts in the south Jersey area (Rex and Joe Bowen) were responsible for me being drafted in the 3rd round of the 1969 June draft. I played in the rookie league with Ken Griffey in Bradenton, Fla. And went to a junior college called State College of Florida. Didn’t finish because baseball took up almost 12 months of my time.

You struggled initially in the minors.  Who helped you and what adjustments did you make the jump to the majors?   I did struggle in the lower minors. In 1971 I started working with Brooks Lawrence who became my pitching coach and mentor. He taught me a slider and how to throw a better change up. He also helped me with my mental makeup. I owe a lot to Brooks and I used to spend time in the evenings with him and his wife Dolly talking about baseball and life in general.

Did the organization ever consider making you are a starter in the minors?  I did both relief and starting in the minors. I think they thought my makeup was best suited to being a closer.

What pitches did you have?  What was your approach?  I had a good fastball which I used 80% of the time and threw a slider and changeup. Mostly fastball/slider. My approach was here it is – try and hit it.

What do you remember about your major league debut and the 1974 season? My debut was against the Atlanta Braves. I threw the ball OK, I threw 2 innings and gave up a run. Dang!  (per Baseball Reference, Rawly relieved Tom Carroll in the third inning after he surrendered 4 runs to the Braves.  The Reds won 9-6).

Did you expect to make the team out of spring training in 1975?  I totally expected to make the team out of spring training in 1975 because I had a great spring and figured they needed a closer. It wasn’t long before I came back up though.

When you were called up in May, what did Sparky say your role would be?  Sparky really did not say much about my role but I think they slowly worked me into the closer role and that was it.

After saving a couple games early in 1975, you struggled in June but Sparky stuck with you.   What changes (if any) did you make?   Sparky stuck with me and as time went on I got better and better and gained more confidence. From July through September I felt like nobody could hit me.  (Note: from July 2nd to the end of the season, Eastwick went 5-2 with a 1.15 ERA and 20 saves).

Sparky was famous for his bullpen usage – were there any patterns in how he used each of you?  I just think Sparky had Borbon and Carroll for middle innings and McEnaney and me for the closer roles. 

What did Sparky do that was different from other managers?  How did Larry Shepard help handle the pitching staff?  I thought Sparky was tough but fair. I think he was the perfect manager for that team as again he was tough but knew how to work with the big guys to accomplish the goals. I don’t think many other managers could have done what he did as he had a certain personality etc., other managers may have been too soft. I think he was of the mind that he didn’t want games to get out of hand and he felt he had a good bullpen so he used it when he felt like he needed to. Larry was a good communicator and got along well with all of the pitchers and he was an intelligent guy. He also had a good sense of humor and knew when to use it and when not to.

In 1975, you appeared in 58 games, with 31 multi inning appearances, and entered games with runners on base 28 times.  Only 5 of your saves were of the 3 out, 9th inning variety that is standard now.  What do you think of the current usage of bullpens and closers vs. what was common when you played?  I think organizations want to save the arms of the closers and keep them healthy for a longer period of time so they limit their use to shorter stretches.

Tell us something about what is what like to play for the Big Red Machine.  I think the whole team got along well and we all truly liked each other and enjoyed being together. We had a special bond that to this day is still there. Sparky had Johnny, Pete, Joe and Tony basically keep everybody in line but they were really good to us young guys and watched out for us.  

Eastwick FiremanYou had an excellent year for the Reds in 1976 (11-5, 2.09 ERA, 26 saves, and ranked 5th in the NL Cy Young voting), but you were traded on June 15th, 1977 to the Cardinals for Doug Capilla.  How did you find out?  Were you surprised?  I was a little surprised at being traded but after thinking about it at the time it made sense because we could not agree on a new contract.

You signed with the Yankees as a free agent after the 1977 season.  What was that experience like? Did you consider other teams?  I signed with the Yankees and enjoyed my time there. George was very nice to me and so were the other players there. I wanted to do something different as far as pitching and long relief was something I was keen to do and maybe eventually work up to starting somewhere. I also considered the Sox, Dodgers and Phillies.

You retired after the 1981 season.  What was the transition away from the game like?  I retired in the spring of 82 and was interested in getting into real estate investing which has worked out well and I have been working in commercial real estate helping manage office buildings.

What are your favorite memories of your time with the Reds?  I have so many good memories of being with the Reds. I was in the organization for almost 9 seasons. I really liked the organization and especially all of the players who were good to me and I made several long lasting friendships. The two World Series championships were a dream come true, and winning a Fireman of the Year was a dream come true also.

Thank You for your time and your contributions to the success of the Big Red Machine.

13 thoughts on “Q&A with Rawly Eastwick

  1. Excellent article Greg, thank you very much. I remember Eastwick well. Your statistics about how Sparky used Eastwick are very interesting: “In 1975, you appeared in 58 games, with 31 multi inning appearances, and entered games with runners on base 28 times. Only 5 of your saves were of the 3 out, 9th inning variety … ” If Sparky were managing the Reds today I wonder how he would use Chapman. I wonder if Sparky would deviate from the closer rules and use Chapman much like he used Eastwick.

    • Wait a minute, what am I thinking? Sparky had the left handed, flame throwing Donald Edward Gullett and had the brains to transition him from a relief pitcher to a starting pitcher.

        • Unfortunately Gullett had all sorts of problems. He suffered from hepatitis one year. Another year he took a line drive off of his pitching hand and broke his thumb. I believe the arm problems (rotator cuff?) began after he signed as a free agent with the Yankees. He reminds me a bit of Eric Davis. A great talent that could never stay healthy.

    • I don’t want to speculate on how Sparky would have managed today, but it is fair to say he didn’t believe “the 9th inning is special and only very few can handle the pressure.” He regularly had 4-6 pitchers getting saves each season – for example in 1976 when Rawly had his best year, Borbon (8), McEnaney (7), Darcy (2) and even starters Billingham and Gullett (1 each) recorded saves. In 1972, Clay Carroll set a saves record with 37 and 5 other pitchers on the staff recorded saves. I’m equally impressed that Sparky decided sometime in 1975 to turn the end of the game (for the most part) over to Eastwick and McEnaney despite having solid veteran options in Borbon and Carroll available. There are many managers that would have stuck with the veteran options. Sparky was an innovator at the time by simply not caring about complete games, and using relief pitchers in any role as he did in the 70’s would be innovative now.

      • I believe Joe Posnanski in the book “The Machine” discusses Sparky’s thinking about using relief pitchers. It is a fascinating read.

      • Sparky wasn’t an innovator. Sutter, Gossage, Lee Smith etc. created the modern closer role in the late 70’s. Sparky’s handling of “the closer” was in line with 1970’s thinking.

        He had 2 “rubber armed” veterans in Carroll and Borbon who could pitch multiple innings on a regular basis so it made sense to for them to pitch in the 6th, 7th, 8th innings.

        You’re right in that he didn;t care about complete games. He was usually playing with a lead and there was little difference between his starters and bullpen. He was blessed to have middle relievers who were very good,but most importantly his team could out score anyone in the NL.

  2. Thanks for this article, love this kind of stuff. … Just curious, as I hear about gatherings of the Great 8 lineup from the Big Red Machine, have there been times when pitchers were invited back as well?

  3. At the recent event for Tony Perez, the pitchers were invited. Gullett, Billingham, Darcy, and Eastwick were there. I’ve always thought a “Pitchers of the Big Red Machine” would be a cool Reds HOF event.

  4. “I thought Sparky was tough but fair.”

    “I think he [Sparky] was of the mind that he didn’t want games to get out of hand and he felt he had a good bullpen so he used it when he felt like he needed to.”

    “Larry [Shepard] was a good communicator and got along well with all of the pitchers and he was an intelligent guy.”

    From the Old Cossack’s perspective, ‘tough but fair’ defines a winning manager in any business. Tough creates high expectations leading to high accomplishments. Fair earns and keeps everyone’s respect. I have not seen a manager with the Reds, since BC came on board, who would fit the description of ‘tough but fair’. The managers under BC’s tenure have been more along the lines of ‘comfortable and cozy’.

    The description of Larry Shepard as a good communicator and getting along with all of the pitchers sounds eerily familiar to the descritpion of Bryan Price as a very successful pitching coach.

  5. Hi, we are putting together our annual NH baseball dinner and want to get in touch with Rawley. Any idea where we might contact him.
    Thanks,
    Charlie

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