Ryan Mattheus gave up a leadoff walk in the bottom of the tenth. A single, bunt, intentional walk and fly ball later, the Arizona Diamondbacks had won the game and the series.

The good news is that Aroldis Chapman was warmed up and available to pitch the 11th inning if the Reds got the lead.

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Anthony DeSclafani was in trouble all day but managed to keep the damage under control, giving the offense a chance to win. The young pitcher gave up three runs in six innings, striking out three and walking one (the pitcher). Kevin Michell wrote about DeSclafani’s development this week.

Ivan De Jesus, playing 3B for Todd Frazier, made a great defensive play (video) in the third inning. De Jesus dove to his right, fielding a sharp ground ball down the base line. He jumped to his feet and fired a chest-high, on-target throw to Joey Votto.

The Reds struck for two runs in the fourth on a double by Billy Hamilton, a walk by Joey Votto, a single by Marlon Byrd driving in Hamilton, a single by Jay Bruce and a ground ball out by Eugenio Suarez, plating Votto.

Suarez and De Jesus hit back-to-back doubles to start the seventh that scored the Reds third run. Unfortunately, Tucker Barnhart was asked to bunt and popped out. Todd Frazier pinch hit and was called out on strike three. Billy Hamilton flew out to centerfield. The call on Frazier’s third strike was brutal.

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Burke Badenhop gave up a lead off single on a ground ball in the seventh, but then worked his way through the top of the Arizona lineup to keep the score tied 3-3. He concluded the inning with a called third strike on Paul Goldschmidt.

Manny Parra gave up two hits (to left handed hitters) in the eighth, but J. J. Hoover came on to induce a fly ball for the third out.

73 Responses

  1. Evan armstrong

    On CBSsports network right now is the Reds AA team vs Birmingham.

  2. Vicferrari

    Was there some issue with the runners not touching bases at the end of the game on the walk off hit?

    • jessecuster44

      yes. AZ runners did not touch 2nd or 3rd after the walkoff hit. So Reds got ball back and touched all the bases.

      • Vicferrari

        Did the umpire botch the rule, I thought if force out occurs and end inning the run does not count even if it occurs prior to force outs. I would think the Reds would have had to force out 3rd then 2nd, curious if that is what they did, or did the batter not even reach first?

      • vegastypo

        By the time Price was able to get the umpires’ attention, the Diamondbacks had already left the field, and the umps were pretty close to leaving the field as well. The umps looked clueless to what had happened, honestly. Even if Price was right — and it appeared that the runner who was on first never went to second — I doubt that the umps had any idea how to remedy the situation.

      • jessecuster44

        Apparently with only one out, the rule is different. Also, Reds touched 2nd, 3rd, then 1st.

  3. wildwestlv

    Sure glad Walt didn’t make that trade for Chapman with Arizona. Those D-Backs must be exhausted having faced him so much, this series!

    • Tom Gray

      What was the trade? I never heard the players the Reds would get back. They asked for 3 of ARZ best MiLB prospects but were rebuffed.

  4. Steve Mancuso

    Chapman was used once in the series. One inning, with the Reds ahead by three runs, facing the 6-7-8 batters in the lineup. Smart resource allocation by the organization.

    • Evan armstrong

      How many teams in MLB use thier designated closer in any spot that won’t qualify as a save situation? Are the Reds use of Chapman any different then how the other top closers have been used this season or last?

      • peter ponds

        Nope, but won’t matter though. Like how many runners they left stranded.

      • mtkal

        Lots of archaic thinking and wasted talent out there.

      • pinson343

        Yes on the road a number of managers are now using the closer in the 9th or extra innings before a save situation comes up. We saw Metheny recently use Rosenthal for an inning and a third in a tie game against the Reds. Joe Maddon does that regularly, I’ve seen John Farrell do it. I’m sure there are others too. There is no reason to adhere to a stupid practice because a lot of managers have done if for a while.

  5. Dennis

    I know it doesn’t matter, but I’m sitting here seething with rage over the non-use of Chapman in the 10th. How can Price be so oblivious? HOW??

    • Evan armstrong

      Ok he uses him in the tenth, we go to the 11th and what? He won’t pitch the 11th so why are we not more pissed at the offense for not scoring.

    • peter ponds

      Ok, he pitches the 10th. Let’s say is still 3-3, and if a miracle occurs and they score someday again, then what? Yes, Mattheus is closing, because Hoover and Jumbo were already used. And you see what happened with RM…
      Chapman was mishandled? Yes. He should be traded? yes. But let’s stop this nonsense about the game being lost because of that. First look at the offense and how they just fail to produce on regular basis on “high leverage situations” and miss opportunities over and over.

      • mtkal

        Still would have been nice to see the offense take a crack at it in the top of the 11th. The thing in extra innings is getting the max number of at bats possible. The stronger your entire bull pen the more chances you should get. . . Unless you don’t take advantage of the strength of your bull pen. It didn’t do the Reds any good that they had the best reliever in that game.
        He pitches the tenth, and then what? Well that’s just it we never got to find out. We might have gone down in order, but we might have scored six runs. Even Mattheus might have made that stand up. But again, we’ll never know.

      • peter ponds

        Your take is as good as Price’s believing Mattheus would do his job for an inning, have his “offense” for one more shot and then bring the “best closer in baseball”. But I agree, we’ll never know.

      • jessecuster44

        If Price would rather have Mattheus in the game instead of Chapman, he should be fired immediately. I mean before the game ends.

      • mtkal

        @ Peter Ponds, Are you really saying Mattheus is as good as Chapman? If you don’t think Chapman gives them a better shot at another at bat than Mattheus, I can’t help you. . . or Price for that matter.

      • Vicferrari

        I think it is a good argument that if Chapman pitches the 10th and does not give up a run you are stuck with Matheus regardless, I see both sides of it, but blaming Price for using his closers as all MLB managers do seems pointless. It is a dumb strategy but you know it is going to happen. Anybody got Reds records when Chapman enters in a tie game on the road, I suspect it is not very good.

      • pinson343

        An assumption everyone is making is that if Chapman pitches the 10th, he can’t pitch the 11th. I understand why that assumption is made (Price), but just want to point out that if Chapman has a low pitch 10th then he could pitch the 11th.

      • pinson343

        I’m with Mtkal here. Another way to think of it is that in extra innings, even if you’re on the road, if you score first then you probably win. Intelligent managers (they are out there) think of extra innings that way – just score first.

  6. VaRedsFan

    I’m more disturbed because when he brought Hoover in for 1 out, that he did not double switch. Pitcher spot was due up 3rd the next inning. So he burned Hoover for 1 out only.

    Part 2: Jumbo was awesome Saturday, and equally awesome today. He used 6 pitches to get 3 outs today. Is this mountain of a man maxed out at 1 inning only? We got Ryan for the 10th…no worries.

    • peter ponds

      + 10000.Those ARE the real dumb moves Price makes.

    • Vicferrari

      I agree the burning of revilers for 1 inning or less shows a lack of foresight in close games.

    • Carl Sayre

      I agree with you. The problem wasn’t goint to Chapman in the 10th the problem is Jumbo owned them in the 9th and couldn’t come back for the tenth? This is a prime example of Price not bein up to the job. The outcome may have been the same but6 pitches, that is how you spell domination. He makes it simple to question his decisions.

  7. jnewm777

    Bone headed at bat by Bruce in the eighth with Phillips on third was a major lost opportunity. It was clear Hudson wasn’t going to throw him a strike, but he seemed to go up there intent on swinging no matter what.
    As for the misuse or non-use of Chapman, he’s pitched approximately 300 innings at the major league level over the past six seasons – roughly 50 fewer than Mike Leake has pitched since the beginning of 2014. That explains a lot about this organization and the position it finds itself in. They have a talented, high priced pitcher on a bad team that they will only use in save situations in what are now meaningless games. Instead of trading him for something that might help in the future, plus freeing up about $10 to $12 million next year, they keep a guy that they will lose for nothing but draft picks or even less of a return when they are 20 games back at the deadline next season. On this team he’s nothing but a side show that ownership is enamored with and refuses to trade in order to get better. I can afford my own pizza, I want winning baseball.

    • peter ponds

      “Bone headed at bat by Bruce in the eighth with Phillips on third was a major lost opportunity. It was clear Hudson wasn’t going to throw him a strike, but he seemed to go up there intent on swinging no matter what.”

      Exactly what I said in the Core-Problem thread some days ago. I even called Bruce the poster boy for this kind of approach. Please check it out and the answers I got.

      • lwblogger2

        Yes, that was a crummy AB (didn’t see it live but just reviewed the video). So, in that particular case you’re right and your point in that case was validated. My response in the other thread basically said that Bruce seems to be doing better as far as not swinging at as many pitches out of the zone, and mentioned decreased Ks, increased BBs, and generally better plate discipline. His approach yesterday left a lot to be desired though.

    • Tom Gray

      Bruce was about to be traded for Zach Wheeler of NYM, coming off TJ surgery this spring. Not a good trade return for Bruce.

      • Evan armstrong

        Why not? Many consider Wheeler ACE material who is young and cheap for a good number of coming seasons.

      • brmreturns

        Not only was it TJ surgery, but it was also another tendon that needed repaired. This is said to lengthen recovery time by 3-4 months ( if I recall correctly). So, Wheeler wouldn’t pitch at all the rest of this year, and very likely none at all next year. So, while the Reds would have him for 4-5 years – remember his service clock has already started – he would really only be able to be used for 3 years…. his arb years. The 1st of those 3 would be coming back after not having pitched in nearly TWO years.

        So, no, it would not have been a good trade.

      • Tom Gray

        Uncertain recovery from serious injury. See Reds trade by Bowden with Nats some years ago.

      • lwblogger2

        Honestly, a healthy Wheeler would have been a decent return. I would have had a problem with the new hole offensively in RF but a healthy Wheeler would at least be a fair trade. Coming off of major arm trouble though, that’s a bad deal. It may be part of the reason the trade for Gomez fell through. We don’t know that though.

  8. tracyjones29

    No manager in MLB is going to bring in their closer to pitch in a tie game on the road when there is still a chance a save opportunity arises. No one. Now you can debate whether that is statistically correct or the best use of Chappy’s ability like the Reds are the only ones that do it.

    • jessecuster44

      It’s not that Chapman is the closer. It is that he has the best chance of striking out two batters in a row. Your chance of extending the game is best if you put Chappy in.

      If you have such a resource, you need to use it when the situation calls for it.

      Sure, other teams follow the closer rules, but why should the Reds follow what other teams do? Plus, how has following the closer rules affected the Reds’ W/L record? ADVERSELY.

      Winning is all about finding an edge and exploiting it – a la – Moneyball.

      Perhaps using your best pitcher in the most high leverage situation would be that edge, no? Sounds simple, but I guess it isn’t.

      • Mutaman

        “Winning is all about finding an edge and exploiting it”

        Lets find an edge re actually scoring a run or two and then exploit it.

      • jessecuster44

        Amen. But on the way towards ending the sacrifice bunts and finding a high OBP bat, can we try a tactic that would prevent runs from scoring against the team?

      • Evan armstrong

        Only problem with your theory is majority of managers don’t manage that way. Weather we want to admit or not that closers get paid off of thier save numbers and that is going to dictate to a large degree thier usage.

      • vegastypo

        So if 20 managers jumped off a cliff, should ours, just because the others did? Wait, given that we’re talking about Price, that might not be a good example to use.

        But at any rate, Price promised accountability, and also a willingness to use Chapman in more than the traditional save situations. Gee, sure coulda fooled me.

      • Tom Gray

        LOL. I don’t wish Price any damage that might result jumping off a cliff but it might help the Reds if he went on sabbatical to Manager Training Class for a while.

      • Vicferrari

        My impression is Chapman is absolutely lousy relieving a pitcher with runners on, I could be wrong but I thought he was the worst in the pen at the limited opportunities

    • lwblogger2

      That’s not true. We watched Matheny do it with Trevor Rosenthal just last week.

    • Myron Gaines

      Making statements in a factual manner doesn’t make them true.

      Matheny, Maddon, and others do it.

  9. redslam

    The biggest failing re: Chapman is a ship that has sailed (not converting to starter). Sticking to old school closer rules (myopic slavery to the Save stat) is definitely close behind. His innings worked is shocking, but not surprising given the above 2 failings…

    Not trading him at deadline is hard to fault without more info – not trading him this summer or next deadline is inexcusable in all likelihood, so the jury is out there.

    • Tom Gray

      Chapman had 38 saves (each) on good Reds teams in 2012 and 2013.

      Chapman had 36 saves and 36 projected this year on not-so-good Reds teams in 2014 and 2015.

      It doesn’t seem to make much different what Chapman does in the bullpen.

    • pinson343

      It’s isn’t quite right to call it “old school closer” rules. Old school closers pitched multiple innings. It’s more Tony LaRussa closer rules.

      • redslam

        That’s fair, although I did say “myopic slavery to the save stat” as my definition… Could have used better term or simply said the parenthetical… re: saves stats being similar on good and bad teams/years – as said before, lots and lots of confounding factors in looking at these sorts of things and if you simply rate objectively our use of Chapman (as a reliever) per game, I think the majority of people would say he was still woefully underutilized from a use/leverage perspective. He is arguably our most-talented pitcher (with Cueto leaving, certainly this is so).

  10. B-town Fan

    The guys on MLB tonight said that the third strike call to Frazier was ridiculous and that unfortunately this is one more reason to go to an automated strike zone. I don’t want to see it happen but I might have to agree with them maybe it needs to happen. The Ump blew that call badly in a key situation.

    • Evan armstrong

      Isn’t the human factor just part of the game? Isn’t the sole of the game based in that.

      • lwblogger2

        In my opinion, yes. I hate replay and I really don’t want electronic enforcement of the strikezone. The more they take baseball towards the NFL, the less beauty it possesses.

  11. pinson343

    TracyJones29: “No manager in MLB is going to bring in their closer to pitch in a tie game on the road when there is still a chance a save opportunity arises. No one.”

    That hasn’t been true for years !!!! Metheny brought in his closer Rosenthal to pitch 1 and 1/3rd innings in a tie game to help the Cards beat the Reds just this past Wednesday, August 5th. As mentioned above, Joe Maddon regularly brings in his closer in an extra inning tie game. I’ve seen John Farrell use his closer on the road to pitch the 9th when he had the heart of is lineup coming up in the 10th. The Red Sox won the game in the 10th.

    • pinson343

      PS The Red Sox game alluded to was years ago.

  12. pinson343

    Jumbo has pitched well and was dealing yesterday. So he’s removed after 5 pitches ???
    Right now Price has a decent group of relievers in the bullpen – Jumbo, Badenhop, Parra, Hoover, Chapman. It’s no longer true that he just doesn’t have choices.

    Whether a specific decision of his was wrong or right doesn’t matter at a certain point.
    Some of you are definitely not up to date on what other managers are doing in tie games on the road, but that doesn’t matter either.

    This year the Reds are 4-10 in extra inning games. Last year the bullpen lost 20 decisions in a row. The Reds have been a bad team the last two years, but not THAT bad. A manager who consistently loses close games over 2 years needs to go.

    • Evan armstrong

      Of all the losses just this season how many do u blame on Price?

      • Tom Gray

        The manager plays a role in about 10% of games where W or L rides on his decision(s).

        Most W or L are on the players.

  13. pinson343

    PS That is, Jumbo has pitched well since returning from AAA …

  14. pinson343

    DeJesus has an arm, he threw a bullet from 3rd without time to set. And he can hit a bit.

    His wasting away at AAA for half a season while the Reds had the worst bench in baseball …. ugh. Numerous people here were saying he should be called up.

    • Tom Gray

      I don’t disagree in principle but how did you determine the Worst Bench in MLB?

      • IndyRedMan

        Add up the hitting stats of True Grit, Boesch, and Negron and there you go.

    • Tom Gray

      Maybe. Not sure it will happen in mid August. Price has 3 year contract that ends after 2016 season, I think.

    • lwblogger2

      Yeah, my worry is the Riggleman part of that equation.

      • Tom Gray

        He’s be fine as INTERIM manager. If he earns anything beyond that, so be it.

  15. jamesgarret

    I said last week I thought Price was managing for his job because I wanted him to think outside of the box and try things differently.I was wrong because he continues to do the same things.When the season is lost you throw the managing by the book out the window and play each game like its the 7th game of the World Series.Who cares if you lose the game 15-0 or 4-3.Four losses in the last five games by doing the same old thing.All of these games were games we could have won and we just go through the motions.Every sports team is a reflection of the kind of leadership they have and the Reds have none in the field or in front office.

    • Tom Gray

      Front office made good trades (Cueto and Leake) this summer and also (Latos and Simon) last winter.

      Front office decided to hire Bryan Price as manager in 2013 without interviewing anyone else. Biggest mistake in recent years.