Repeat after me: the Reds (45-54) won an away series against the St. Louis Cardinals. And they did it by shutting them out in the last two games. And they only allowed four runs in 27.0 innings. And this is all a clever ruse to distract from the fact that today is Johnny Cueto’s turn in the rotation, but David Holmberg will be pitching instead. And I ruined it.

*Stats from AAA Louisville

A.J. Burnett 2.68 2.95 0.41 6.2% 20.1%
David Holmberg* 4.40 4.75 1.08 8.0% 12.8%

David Holmberg is not the future of the Reds’ starting rotation. That would be Robert Stephenson and/or Brandon Finnegan and/or John Lamb. What David Holmberg is is a middling prospect whose clock has already started and who can provide serviceable innings until rosters expand in September. That being said, Holmberg has pitched moderately better at AAA this year than he did with the big club last year, but his numbers have regressed compared to his AAA numbers last year.

Much like John Lackey for the Cardinals last night, A.J. Burnett is in the midst of a late career resurgence, as his 2.68 ERA is his best ever and his 2.95 FIP is only bested by his 2013 2.80. Granted, these are half season marks compared to full season ones, but it certainly seems that Burnett may be well on his way to having his best season of his 16 year career. For all the praise, however, Burnett has been rocky his past two times out, giving up 11 runs in 11.2 innings pitched on 22 hits to 10 strikeouts.


Ivan De Jesus gets the start over the Toddfather at 3B in today’s Reds’ lineup:

1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Ivan De Jesus (R) 3B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Marlon Byrd (R) LF
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
7. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
8. David Holmberg (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

The new Pirates’ lineup features a common NL Central nemesis at 3B, rocking some new duds:

1. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
2. Starling Marte (R) LF
3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
4. Aramis Ramirez (R) 3B
5. Jung Ho Kang (R) SS
6. Francisco Cervelli (R) C
7. Pedro Alvarez (L) 1B
8. Neil Walker (S) 2B
9. A.J. Burnett (R) P

–David Price is officially moving north of the border as the Tigers have dealt their ace to the Blue Jays for a trio of left handed pitching prospects. The gem of that deal, Daniel Norris (aka Man with the Van), made the Blue Jays rotation out of Spring Training but has spent the season in AAA since May.

–Former Red Bronson Arroyo was traded to the LA Dodgers today despite not throwing a single pitch in 2015. Arroyo was traded earlier in the year from the Dbacks to the Braves. Making the trip west with Arroyo is another former Red, Mat Latos. The full list of moving players:

–The Cardinals just got better as they picked up 1B/OF Brandon Moss from the Indians for 2013 first rounder Rob Kaminsky. Moss should fill in nicely for the injured Matts (Holliday and Adams) and will be a big impact bat come playoff time.

–The Yankees have placed Michael Pineda on the DL, which is good news for the Reds as there is now a motivated buyer for Mike Leake. The Yankees seem to be the only team still looking for pitching, but Tyson Ross, Leake, and Yovani Gallardo are all still reported to be on the market.

–Someone please give Wilmer Flores a hug. He deserves it after last night’s debacle.

Regardless of how tonight’s game turns out, I will be sad because it is not Johnny Beisbol day in Reds’ country. Hope has flown the coup for a little bit in the Queen City, but come September, we may have found a new, less expensive version of Hope.


129 Responses

  1. rhayex

    Cardinals didn’t really get that much better. They traded a good prospect for a guy who’s not doing that great this year.

    I’m getting really bored with this trade deadline. I just have this feeling that we’re not going to do any more trades (possibly Leake). I don’t know why, but I can’t shake the feeling.

    Hopefully I’m wrong about our deadline and we make some good trades that help us rebuild.

  2. Matt WI

    I think for the rest of the season, in honor of #47, every time his slot in the rotation comes up, we just list: Not Cueto 🙁 (sad face is required).

  3. msanmoore

    Todd has looked like he needs a night off. Let’s hope this gets him back in synch.

  4. Eric the Red

    I continue to not understand why they insist on batting DeJesus 2nd whenever he plays. Keep Votto there, please.

  5. Eric the Red

    1) We can now officially say we won the Latos trade with the Marlins.

    2) I think I’d have been willing to give Byrd to the Cardinals for the pitcher they sent away to get Moss. (Except I’d hate to help the Cardinals.)

    3) Looking at the returns for Price and Hamels, doesn’t it seem Walt did really well with the Cueto deal?

    • Kurt Frost

      I’m not criticizing you I’m just why do trades have to be about who won or who lost?

      • Gonzo Reds

        Seriously? It’s sports, of course that’s ALL that matters if you are a fan, DUH!

      • Eric the Red

        They don’t. I was just making an observation. And the “winning” is really just shorthand for “wow, we may have had a rough season, but we sure got value out of that Latos deal. The Marlins have also had a rough season, and they didn’t get value out of that deal.”

  6. DHud

    Can someone explain the rationale behind placing players with extreme injuries on only the 15 day DL like Adcock was today?

    • Mack Ashley Potter

      I think it has something to do with either current or future available roster moves. Like which players have what options.

  7. Mack Ashley Potter

    That’s 3 times I know of Bruce trying for that bunt single. Idc if every infielder is on the right side of 2nd base, that bunting needs to STOP. Bruce is no Brett Butler.

    • Kurt Frost

      I don’t have a problem with it.

  8. VaRedsFan

    Pirates get Soria
    Brewers get Gomez.

  9. Indy Red Man

    Ok…raise your hand if you predicted Toronto would trade for Tulowitski to play on turf and bat leadoff…lol. Byrd has been pretty good since April…..somebody could use him and he won’t put us over the top next year if we keep him.

  10. Mack Ashley Potter

    Why would anyone buy the horrible MLB TV? When it even has blackouts? The kicker is that you can watch ANY game on VIP Box for free in high quality for free lol

    • msanmoore

      Oh I don’t know … because of the spam/virus potential on VIP and other unauthorized access?

      • MrRed

        You make a sound point. Mack, what say you? You like viruses and cease and desist letters?

  11. msanmoore

    69 pitches through 4, but at least Homeboy is holding his own. Perhaps he’s the future of long relief for the club … or just the AAA starter who never really does more than that except for the very occasional double header.

    Oh – and good evening, friends!

  12. msanmoore

    3 pitches, 2 bases … yeah – that sounds right.

  13. msanmoore

    AJ’s having a tough night … poor AJ.

  14. msanmoore

    Chase garbage and look at one you could hit … I guess the HR makes up for that.

  15. muttonlettucetomato

    I don’t know what the heck Burnett would complain about. He’s been getting some crazy strike calls all night (see call strike 3 on Byrd in the 4th inning).

  16. Indy Red Man

    I think Pittsburgh will prob come back and win tonite. I don’t know how many times the Reds have had games like this where we should put the game away and we get 1 run or something?

    • BigRedMike

      Reds must really want to get rid of Bruce’s contract if Wheeler is the main piece. Good pitcher, but, injuries.
      Reds would have a lot of young starting pitchers, which is a good thing

      • MrRed

        But then they would have to fill a huge hole in the OF. And there just isn’t enough in the minors now to make me feel good about that, with all due respect to Winker, Waldrop and Rodriguez. There would have to subsequent trades of their pitching prospects to find the offense they need.

  17. seat101

    They should have had a hit by pitch there for what they did to Billy!

      • Mack Ashley Potter

        The pickoff attempt at 2nd base…no one there and Burnett just drilled Billy in the side inside of throwing it into center field.

      • seat101

        Burnett three at Billy to stop himself from throwing A pic of attempt into centerfield. It hit Billy square in the back.

        Turnabout should be fair play

      • seat101

        The VR on my phone is not as good as I would like.

        My review and editing is even worse.

  18. Indy Red Man

    Josh Holmsmith has absolutely no chance to be a serviceable pitcher in the big leagues

    • charlottencredsfan

      He’s just horrible. Horrible, I tell you.

  19. BigRedMike

    Big double play, Holmberg was in trouble

    • BigRedSaguaro

      Man my game feed is super slow, just now saw the double play

  20. Mack Ashley Potter

    Unless Iggy can develop into what we’re all hoping, it’ll be a long, long time before we have another true #1.
    Great work from Holmberg tonight. Although I don’t see a future for him with the Reds unless it’s in the Pen. With the Reds having no lefties in the Pen right now, I can’t understand why they wouldn’t leave him up with the club and stick him in the Pen. Would be very valuable in my opinion.

    • charlottencredsfan

      I remember when JC came up, you just knew instantly, in couple of years he would be a #1.

    • hof13

      Iggy has the stuff to be a #1 – multiple pitches with different arm angles, most above average. He just needs to work on his control and stamina. He didn’t pitch at all last year so to me he has been rather impressive so far this year.

    • MrRed

      This of course means you assume that Stephenson doesn’t pan out, correct?

  21. BigRedSaguaro

    Heisey was put on waivers by L.A.

    • seat101

      It would be interesting to see the thought processes going on at the Reds front office right now.

    • Mack Ashley Potter

      I miss Heisey coming off the bench. He wanted to be an every day guy and the Reds gave him chance after chance and he just couldn’t take advantage. Wish the Reds would pick him back up. Guarantee we’d get more than Skip gives…although Heisey might not have as much grit?

      • Gonzo Reds

        I’d take Heisey in a heartbeat over Skippy. Plus he could play the rest of this year in LF keeping the kids on the farm for seasoning. Oh, this would be after sending Byrd and his $8M option flying elsewhere.

    • msanmoore

      Yeah, but he made kind of a nice grab on it right before he winged it into LF.

  22. msanmoore

    Well that worked out … for us.

  23. msanmoore

    Can we count 2 of Joey’s AB’s on last night’s game and keep his streak alive?

  24. Brian

    rosenthal just tweeted that not only are the reds interested in wheeler but the mets are trying to get bruce – says would likely be wheeler and one other piece… i really don’t want them to trade bruce

      • seat101

        I, like you, I am at a loss for an exclamation.

        Judging by your name, though, you must be happy that we got Lamb

      • msanmoore

        I agree … really depends on the return, but I don’t want to see him go either.

        Oh, and +15 for your handle. I’m a big fan.

    • vared

      I can’t believe Walt would unload Bruce if the primary returning piece was ANOTHER pitcher. Makes no sense.

      • Brian

        agreed, suprised the rumors out there are bruce and chapman with no word of leake. i would imagine if they move bruce there has to be some other significant piece that is not a pitcher – i hope anyway. if they have 100 high level prospect pitchers going into the offseason could get interesting with more trades haha.

  25. msanmoore

    And the rout is on! Apparently Joey Votto’s wallet is alive and overflowing in Cincinnati tonight.

  26. tct

    So what’s better than taking 2 of 3 from the cards in St Louie? Taking 2 of 3 from the Cards and then beating the living beejebus out of the pirates the next night. Can’t stand the Pirates.

    • msanmoore

      +5 for the proper use of “beating the living beejebus” in your post.

  27. rhayex

    Heyman just posted on twitter that the D-backs have made the Reds an offer for Chapman and are waiting to hear back.

    • Brian

      Interesting considering from what people have said, the Reds have made it clear it will take a lot to get Chapman. I guess we may see if that was really true.

    • msanmoore

      MLB Trade Rumors has it as well. Thinking we won’t need Chappy tonight.

  28. rhayex

    Kinda ironic that this was supposed to be Cueto’s start and the Reds decided to offensively explode tonight.

  29. rhayex

    So I saw this on twitter…

    “If Votto were in the military he would never take leave. Because he’s always on base.”

  30. msanmoore

    Uh … yeah … Mr. Holmberg? I’m going to need to ask you to come with me please.

  31. msanmoore

    Ooooo … almost very ugly on that flip. Glad we got 1.

  32. tct

    Boy, the Brewers got a nice package for Gomez and Fiers. Santana, Phillips, Hader and another guy I don’t know. Too bad Walt couldn’t trade with Lunhow, because the Astros have a bunch of intriguing hitting prospects in the 50-150 range. I woulda definitely given Cueto and Bruce for that package.

    • Steve Mancuso

      I was thinking Bruce and Leake might have gotten it done. Or close to it.

      • MrRed

        I’d be shocked if that wouldn’t have gotten it done. No way is Gomez/Fiers as valuable as Bruce/Leake.

      • Steve Mancuso

        Fiers is 4.5 years vs. .5 for Leake. Gomez plays CF (Gold Glove) vs. RF for Bruce. On other side, Bruce has one more year of control than Gomez, but a little more expensive.

      • old-school

        what does Walt want from Dbacks for Chapman?

  33. msanmoore

    Shoot … let Skip stay in and pitch at this rate.

  34. rhayex

    I’m… I’m actually having fun watching/listening to this game. WHAT IS THIS FEELING?!

  35. Vanessa Galagnara

    You know the team you are facing is not having a good day when
    a) Bham gets 2 hits off you
    b) Holmberg limits you to 2 runs
    c) you give up 2 dingers to Brandon Phillips.

    Pittsburgh stadium is ranked the #1 stadium for maximized pitcher effectiveness. True for Holmberg not so true for Burnett and Guerra.

    This is one of those games that really pads the stats. But…. I’ll take it and like it. Just hope winning doesn’t cost us a top 5 draft choice.

  36. Mack Ashley Potter

    Great night on draftkings tonight! I took the entire Reds lineup except for Dejesus and Tucker. If Swarber would give me anything what so ever I could bring in over $500 tonight on the arcade.

    • msanmoore

      That’s quite the piece of luck tonight. You buying at tomorrow night’s game if you win it?

  37. Ryan Lykins (@ryan_lykins)

    Glad to see the bats come alive. Weird to see Phillips hit homers these days especially 2. I’m trying to understand why in this world the Diamondbacks would want to waste their time and resources acquiring a closer when that’s the last thing they need. Now if they were wanting to convert him to a starter and say they plan for him to be in their rotation when they’re decent again then that makes sense but otherwise not so much.

  38. BigRedMike

    Interesting, straight Bruce for Wheeler being reported. Seems like the Reds could get more

    • charlottencredsfan

      Maybe the worst trade since Frank Robinson if it goes through.

      • Gonzo Reds

        No No No No No No No No No No No No NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need OF help, Bruce is the ONLY good one we have, only a Jockless bastard would make this trade! (and moderator don’t delete my post, our GM IS Jockless!

      • rhayex

        I read the Reds are asking for at least one more piece in the trade.

      • jdx19

        Sure hope so. And I hope it isn’t Wilmer Flores.

    • Joe Atkinson

      Why pitching again? I know the old adage is that you can’t have enough, but I feel like Walt’s on a mission to prove that wrong (and is doing so at the expense of our offensive future).

    • tct

      Yeah, not sure exactly what Walt is thinking here. Maybe he’s got something else lined up that brings in Bruce’s replacement. Or maybe he’s really high on the Ervin/Winker/Waldrop/Yorman group and thinks a couple will be ready next year. But more likely he’s just gonna tell price to bat Byrd leadoff for the rest of the year to get his option to vest and then offer a multi year extension to Skippy.

      • jdx19

        I think we could lock Skip up for 4-yr/$9.5 mil. Wha’dya say?!

      • msanmoore

        +63.897 on the ridiculous factor alone.

  39. jdx19

    My phone died while at dinner with my mother-in-law… holy cow Brandon Phillips! What a game.

    • msanmoore

      Yep – quite the night for BP. Shades of the old player we know and love.

  40. rhayex


    Read on twitter that Swansby might be included in that offer for Chapman. That’s insane.

    • tct

      He’d have to be a PTBNL and couldn’t join the Reds org until next June, though. Right? I would dismiss that rumor if it was anyone besides the DBacks. They have made some strange moves lately.

      • jdx19

        I feel like they just changed this rule. but i’m not sure if what you stated is the new rule or the old rule!

    • jdx19

      Oh, wow. I wonder if there is something wrong with him.

  41. msanmoore

    Sampson kid handled that inning nicely.

  42. charlottencredsfan

    And we are supposedly trading for more pitching??

  43. msanmoore

    Too bad Tucker couldn’t have put 6″ more lift on that. He’s the only position player without a hit, though his HBP did get him on base and he scored.

  44. msanmoore

    Well done, boys. Very well done. On to the final round of trade mania. Let’s see who is still a Cincinnati Red at game time tomorrow.

  45. BigRedSaguaro

    Just heard Leake is gone to San Fran

    • mtkal

      For Mella and Duvall reportedly which if true, seems pretty dam good IMO.