69 Responses

  1. Dr. K

    Very disappointing for Cozart. Would really like to see Bruce Bochy still name him to the All-Star team so he can be recognized for the great season he was having.

    Any idea what this does to his ability to play SS next year?

  2. Jake

    Such a shame. Cozart was having such a great season. I have to wonder though, why Dominguez when there’s better options at AAA?

    • Andrewpky

      Reds need infielders. Mes hasn’t learned SS yet.

    • wdwrolen2713

      I feel Josh Satin would’ve been better call-up. Plays basically the same positions (OF, 1B, and 3B) but has higher ba and obp. You never know with minor leaguers if Satin would do well, but I like my chances with higher obp/ba.

    • Morgan Mayham

      Plus with cozart out for the season could of 60 day dl’el him..call upsomeone new…

      Selsky, falu, lamarre, satin. Why dominguez??

      • Redsfan48

        Suárez is the replacement for Cozart. Dominguez was called up because of the injuries to Hamilton and Phillips so the bench wouldn’t be short. Dominguez will go down presumably when Mesoraco is ready, although if he performs I can still see Boesch being the odd man out.

  3. PDunc

    ligaments and the biceps tendon in his right knee?

    There is a biceps tendon in the knee?

    • Kurt Frost

      There is for cozart because he’s just that manly.

      • gaffer

        Hamstring. Same injury as Griffey Jr.

    • Michael Smith

      Bicep Femoral is the massive muscle on the front side of your leg above the knee. One of the biggest muscles in the body.

    • Redsfan48

      That’s what I was confused about. I looked it up, and yes there is a biceps in the knee. Never knew.

  4. Matt WI

    Not surprising, but still sad. Dang.

  5. DavidTurner49

    Sounds really bad with plural ligaments and the tendon. Saw it here first, not in cinci.com or ESPN yet.

  6. DavidTurner49

    Sounds really bad with plural ligaments and the tendon. Saw it here first, not in cinci.com or ESPN yet. Don’t get them bringing up Dominguez.

  7. Vanessa Galagnara

    This injury sounds terrible. 9 months is such a long time. I feel for the guy. Here is hoping that he has a speedy recovery!

  8. Gonzo Reds

    With Cozart out and Chapman/Cueto/Frazier/Phillips all on the trading block maybe we can just have Mr. Red represent us at the All-Star game?

    • Morgan Mayham

      First time i’ve heard frazier on the trading block.. but he should bevnoe while at what would bring his highest return. Add bruce and leake to the trade block too .

      • Redsfan48

        I’ve heard that the Reds might listen, but it would take a king’s ransom for anyone to get Frazier.

  9. sultanofswaff

    Here’s hoping Zack does his rehab as well as he did his job this season. Get well soon.

    So it’s clear that retooling is upon us. I’d like to see management fully embrace the changes that have been thrust upon them. Admit the narrative has changed, admit the goal is to season the youngsters, and admit the store is open for business with an eye toward hitting the ground running in 2016. There’s an energy in that, and it will serve the organization well. Let’s wash away the zombie-like, going thru the motions team that haunted GABP ever since Posey’s HR and subversively replace it while the league ignores us.

  10. Jeremy Conley

    I feel horrible for Cozart, but I don’t think the season is over. I think Suarez will do a good job for the Reds and that getting Mesoraco in the lineup will help too.

    Aside from three bullpen meltdowns the Reds would be 12-1 since their 9 game losing streak. Maybe some of the adversity they’ve faced will push them.

    • Aaron Bradley

      Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. This team has ZERO chance to make the post season and has serious contract issues that must be addressed in the window that is available.

      • Jeremy Conley

        What do you mean by this statement: “has serious contract issues that must be addressed in the window that is available?”

        I think the Reds are playing their best baseball right now. Changes have been made to the pen, the rotation, and lineup. What I’m saying is that losing Cozart doesn’t change that, and getting Mesoraco back will help it.

      • Victor Vollhardt

        Mr. Conley—great reply to Mr. Bradley–things are looking up–and sure Cozart hurts—but for all of us in the position of being fans and not management-there is a still exciting season ahead to watch Reds baseball——-and just maybe the changes that are here and those that will come will make it even more exciting. If you fall down –you can just lie there (or even moan about your fate) or you can get up and do something to change the way you go about your life—-it is called opportunity—– and for the Reds it is now.

      • Tom Reed

        Agreed. A very bad blow for Cozart, but we wish him a successful and speedy recovery. I also feel, with the recent changes, that the Reds have a new spirit and should not be counted out, certainly by their fans.

      • Redsfan48

        Tom, I agree. Many teams in the past have used a horrible injury like this as motivation to go on and win for that player. And not just baseball teams either. Remember, the Kevin Ware injury for Louisville a couple years ago served as inspiration for their NCAA title run.

      • wdwrolen2713

        There is never a ZERO percent chance of success until we’re eliminated mathematically. That is, success doesn’t have to mean playoffs, it could be preparing to compete next year.

      • wdwrolen2713

        The only major contract issues I can think of are Votto and maybe Bailey and you’re not shedding Votto’s contract or Homer’s health. I don’t want to shed Votto or Homer now anyway.

      • Aaron Bradley

        They are about to lose Cueto and Leake to free agency those are the contract issues I am referring to. They must be dealt before the trade deadline, preferably before an injury is sustained!

    • greenmtred

      Really agree, Jeremy. We’ll see what happens, but they have been playing good, resilient baseball lately. Maybe the folks who are saying they have zero chance are trying to insulate themselves from disappointment, which I understand, and probably they feel that they are being realistic, which I also understand, but the chances are clearly better than zero with 2/3 of the season left to play, and I would rather keep hoping than give up, even though I am a pessimist by nature.

      • Matt WI

        Well, it’s not a “zero” percent chance, but it ain’t good. It would be some kind of lightening in a bottle to have this rotation (never minding the ‘pen) carry them all the way into Sept. Especially without Cueto… and in my opinion, keeping him would be nearly criminal for a “just maybe” chance at a Wild Card.

        It is, however, fun to see the offense clicking a bit and having Joey be Joey.

      • vegastypo

        Agree with this. Injuries have forced the Reds to go younger, Now, to cling to postseason hopes at the expense of getting a better grip on 2016 and beyond seems foolish. We weren’t exactly beating up on good teams with this recent success. …

        If there’s a way to ‘rebuild’ while keeping in contention, so be it. But even if it’s possible, I don’t have much confidence in Walt to pull it off.

      • lwblogger2

        I’m in the ‘Reds have very, very little chance of being competitive camp’ but like you, I can watch this team and see a lot of good things. I still think the Reds need to be in sell mode going into July and that selling a little early may net them better gains by giving the buyers a little more time with the players they are acquiring. It’s good to have hope and yes anything can happen but, I don’t think a lot of people realize just how slim those chances are, even this early in the season. Let’s salvage what we can, retool for the future, and enjoy watching the guys that are performing well and watching some of the young guys get some playing time.

      • wdwrolen2713

        Even though the Reds PROBABLY won’t make the playoffs, I’m actually having fun watching these new guys do well and have fun themselves. If they pull a miracle and make the Wild Card that’s just icing on cake. Last year was so miserable to watch it wasn’t funny.

      • tct

        Agree with Matt. Three rookies and a Leake who looks like the below average pitcher he was in 2012-2013 in the rotation and a bullpen that only has one above average pitcher is not likely to carry you to the playoffs.

        On the other side, Fangraphs had an article about something I have mentioned before. And that is the fact that it is shaping up to be an extreme sellers market at the deadline. All the AL teams are kind of bunched together and almost everybody has a shot. Most of the NL teams who will be sellers are teams whose best assets are primarily young players that they won’t be trading, like Miami, Atlanta, and Arizona.

        The Reds have a chance to have three of the top 5 players on the market in Cueto, Chapman, and Frazier(if they decide to shop him). And the market will be greatly tilted toward the sellers. It would be a huge missed opportunity for the Reds to stand pat, hoping for something that is extremely unlikely. It would be like putting your life savings on a black jack table and hitting on 20. Yes, you might draw the ace. But even if you do get lucky, it was still a really stupid thing to do.

  11. Ryan Lykins (@ryan_lykins)

    I sure hope Suarez does a good job. Seems to have done well at AAA so I’m optimistic. Stinks that Cozart had to get injured for Suarez to get a chance but it is what it is. After Suarez are there any other legitimate middle infield prospects that are close? I know Blandino is a couple years away at least but that’s about it right?

    • sultanofswaff

      The only other guys in my mind are already on the roster—Negron and Dejesus. With Negron we’d probably be getting the 2013/2014 version of Cozart with the bat, but that’s me being pessimistic.

      I like Blandino a lot. The bat is gonna play. I think it’s criminal he hasn’t been promoted to AA yet. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him in Cincinnati by the middle of next season.

      • lwblogger2

        Reminds me of Murphy. The bat is going to play and they need to find him a position. I’m not sure he’ll be mid-2016 but I see a good chance of him coming up in 2017 and sticking.

  12. User1022

    Not shocked by this at all, as soon as they said it was his knee I thought “Well, he’s gone for 3 months at a minimum, probably the season.”

    Just a freakish accident. Reminds me a little of Jason Kendall in a similar situation (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, don’t look it up unless you have a strong stomach; one of the more gruesome injuries you’ll ever see in sports.)

  13. Chris Miller

    Really saddened by this. I’ve been a huge Cozart fan, and really feel for the guy. I know Suarez is the guy that is here to take his place, but I would not pull DeJesus Jr out of the lineup yet, and would have no problem having him take the place of Cozart for a while. Point is, I would hate to see them insert Suarez right away, and sit DeJesus, or bounce DeJesus back and forth with Schumaker. Right now DeJesus needs to be playing daily, and quite frankly, he was doing better than Suarez in AAA.

    • lwblogger2

      Agree on Cozart but no so much on DeJesus. Suarez projects as a starting middle IF and is not much past 23 years old. DeJesus projects as a nice utility player with a decent bat but probably not a plus bat (power or hit). He is also a solid 28 years old and not likely to get a whole lot better than the player he is right now. He isn’t a bad player and I like what he’s doing right now but I think Suarez needs to get more of the playing time at SS.

    • wdwrolen2713

      I also agree that Suarez should be starting SS, but why not have DeJesus start at LF until Mes is ready or at 2B while BP’s out? I’ll take DeJesus’ current hot hitting over Schumaker, Boesch, Negron, or Dominguez anyday. I’d stick with Ivan unless he proves me wrong.

  14. jdx19

    Good luck and God-speed on the recovery, Zack.

    Excited to see what Suarez can do, though. Dominguez. Yuck. Hopefully he’s not an auto-K this time around. Still better than a 47th pitcher on the ‘pen.

      • lwblogger2

        Also, Dominguez does have some pop in his bat and can run into one. Who knows, he may win the Reds a game or two? I’m not holding my breath either but as you’ve already said, he is nicer to have up than the 13th pitcher and will have more value in my opinion.

  15. Redgoggles

    I’m not going to get drunk on the cool-aid, but I will say that I am much more vested watching these younger players/pitching than the retreads from earlier this year. I think it would be great to end the year at .500, especially if they can cash in on a few chips (Cueto, Chapman), unload a few others (Phillips, Byrd), and extend a few (Leake, Bruce, Hamilton – buy low on the last two).

    • greenmtred

      Without reflecting on the wisdom of cashing in those chips, it seems really unlikely that the Reds, minus Cueto, Chapman, Phillips, Byrd and Cozart would finish remotely within sniffing distance of .500., this year or next.

  16. mtkal

    That’s really a blow to the gut the way Cozart was playing this season. His defense will be missed most, but man, he was having a very solid season with the bat too. All the best to Zack for the operation and recovery.

    • lwblogger2

      He was in the midst of his best season in my opinion. Yes, very much a shame for him to go down like this.

  17. Jeremy Conley

    Man, look at this lineup: De Jesus Jr. 4, Votto 3, Frazier 5, Bruce 9, Pena 2, Dominguez 7, Suarez 6, Lorenzen RHP, Negron 8

    It would be nice if we could get an update on BP and Hamilton.

    • jdx19

      Lorenzen batting in front of Negron. That’s pretty unexpected. Maybe Lorenzen really is a better hitter than Negron, because Negron is no Billy on the basepaths.

      • Jeremy Conley

        I think Price is just embracing what the numbers say: batting a hitter 9th makes more sense than the pitcher, because it separates your pitcher more from your best hitters when the lineup turns over.

        Over the course of a season it probably won’t add too many runs, but it’s good to see price do something in line with what the stats suggest is the best move.

    • jdx19

      And yes! I wish they would say what’s up with BP. If he can’t play for awhile, he needs to be DLed. He’s got at least 2 nagging injuries, maybe 3. Billy hopefully only needs a few days. DL BP for 15 days and call someone up. Keep that revolving door going.

  18. wdwrolen2713

    Twitter sources are saying Mes is back to being uncertain health-wise and is currently out for family death. Reds news seems to be getting like Cleveland Browns news: bad and depressing.

  19. Playtowin

    DeJesus should play until he proves he can’t. The guy has played LF and 2B with 2 Hr’s. Give him a chance.

    • jdx19

      Over the last 5 years, he’s averaged 5.2 HR per AAA season. Pretty wild that he already has 2 in the bigs.

  20. wdwrolen2713

    Just found out that Suarez’s first name is actually pronounced AY-you-hay-nee-oh. That is not what I would’ve thought! May be hardest to pronounce name on Reds in long time. I’ll just call him Suarez.

    • ohiojimw

      agreed. I thought the “u” was supposed to “protect” the “g” from the softening influence of the leading “E”. Nice to know it is not just English which throws the rules to the wind whenever it wants.

  21. sezwhom

    I was tough on Cozart last year and rightfully, so but he was rock solid this year. I knew the way that knee twisted it didn’t equal a few days or weeks out. Anybody who has been injured before (me) knew it. While I’m disappointed he’s out, this does open the door for Suarez. I look forward to seeing him play.

  22. JMO

    Mesoraco needs the surgery, just get healthy for 2016. The time to sell is here. Play DeJesus in LF daily, Saurez at SS. Lets see what we have. De Jesus has never been given an everyday job in the big leagues, give the kid a chance. Former 2nd rd Top prospect with the Dodgers.

  23. ohiojimw

    I think the news about Meso is potentially more serious to the team than the Cozart injury because after all at least they have Suarez and there is reason to believe that over time Cozart will be back in some capacity. On the other hand when the preeminent hip guy in the hemisphere says Meso’s leg can’t get worse from playing yet within 3 days with just normal wear and tear it is worse (at least pain wise), you have to start wondering exactly what they are going to find when they go in there and what the recovery time and prognosis might slip to.

    • Manuel T

      Yet, various posters on this site retain their faith in the doctors despite many past debacles. He should have had the surgery by now.

      • greenmtred

        Wow. Doctors, being human, make mistakes. Not knowing your credentials, I can’t judge the value of your opinion on Mesoraco’s surgery. I generally value the opinions of people with specific expertise more than those of laypersons.

      • ManuelT

        Apparently, you haven’t been paying attention to the last 4 or 5 seasons.