That was a disaster. I refuse to write about it. Here’s Milton. Let’s all go to bed and hope for better tomorrow.

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati's performance tonight.

Milton was unhappy with Cincinnati’s performance tonight.

49 Responses

  1. Kurt Frost

    How much longer can he run Marquis out there?

  2. Doug Gray

    I thought this was going to be a comparison between how bad Eric Milton was versus Jason Marquis. Of course, Milton was far better than Marquis has been.

    Sorry for ruining everyones night with my comments.

    • redsfan06

      You’re our minor league expert, Doug. There has to be someone worth bringing up to replace Marquis, doesn’t there?

      • Gregg Lestina

        The only pitcher left worth bringing up in the minors is Jon Moscott (6 starts, 37.2 IP, 2.39ERA, 1.22 WHIP). Alas, he isn’t on the 40 man roster. They’d have to drop someone (Marquis please!) to bring him up.

      • Vicferrari

        Really sad that the Reds are going with pitchers that would be far down the depth chart at AAA- they look very desperate

      • Redsfan48

        No, no, we don’t need to bring someone up. We have Raisel Iglesias and Michael Lorenzen already up here. Put both of them back in the rotation ( after their time in the bullpen ends this week) and they can always call Moscot up later in the year so they can put one of them in the bullpen for a while to limit their innings. And also, getting Moscot on the 40-man is very easy, DFA Jason Marquis and that will open the 25-man and 40-man spot.

      • Vicferrari

        You are using logic and not think like the Reds mgmt, without making a roster move they could have started Lorenzen on 3 days rest…they would have possibly made him throw 3 more innings and been in the same situation. Are those 3 innings going to matter at the end of the season? And God forbid he might have been effective and went 6 or 7 and put them in a position to win. Now he might get a start Aug 25th instead of being shut down Aug 20th.
        I heard enough of Price’s logic to truely believe he values the long relief role, starting pitching has been so good for so long, Reds have not needed one. I think Price is using Marquis starts to audition his long relievers

      • Vicferrari

        “3 days rests “hould have been 4 days rest= normal days rest

      • Morgan Mayham

        They can also 60 day dl lutz and magill who both recently had tommy john surgery.

    • sunbreakthedawn

      I have to trust you on this. Those would be some depressing stats to look up. On those reds teams’ of yesteryear E Milton was a gasoline fire on his best day.

      • Aaron Bradley

        Well I remember going to a game in early May that started late due to prolonged rain… went till like 1am and Milton pitched 8 innings of shutout ball. Probably the exception, but he wasn’t always horrible.

      • preacherj

        Milton wasn’t that bad of a pitcher, but he was an exceptional fly ball machine, which we ALL KNEW at the time of his acquisition. He might have been fine at PETCO, but making at least half your starts at GABP was a recipe for pure disaster.

  3. Pooter

    What a waste of a game. It’s a shame to send out Marquis every 5th day. He should join Gregg on the DFA trail. What is/was Walt seriously thinking? This act of running out trash-heap wash-ups is annoying. Keep Lorenzen and Iglesias in the rotation.

      • Red April

        But only one of them will get better. Or has any potential.

      • Gaffer

        Agree, but Bob and Walt have no interest in the future right now. They are like the anti As, hold onto ever player and pay them more as they age. We have boxed ourselves into a corner financially. That caused us to trade 2 solid pitchers and have no money to replace them.

        Moves that should have been made that have gotten us here:
        Phillips traded or let go before the big contract.
        Homer ditto
        Not resigned Ludwick in 2013
        Done anything to get a lead off hitter
        Choo traded for in 2012 when Stubbs was wasting the season (this one is just my pet issue and would not matter now)

      • Redsfan48

        Highly disagree with your analysis of Phillips, for 3 reasons. One, he has really started out well this year and if he keeps up this pace, he’s easily one of the top 5 second basemen in the league. Two, Phillips’ defense is unbeatable. Let’s just assume for a second that Skip Schumaker was an above average hitter just for comparison (obviously he’s never going to be). In just one game (Thursday), there were at least 3-4 plays that Schumaker failed to make that Phillips would have made. Even if Schumaker with that defense hit well, we still could be losing more runs than we gained by having more offense over defense. The final reason why Brandon Phillips needs to be with this team is because of the fans. Brandon Phillips is by far one of the most popular with the fans. I think if the Reds traded Phillips, they would lose some fans. When his contract is up, it’s pretty clear that they shouldn’t re sign him but they shouldn’t make a move to get rid of him at this point.

        As for a solution when Phillips’ contract is up, I heard a proposal today for a trade Jocketty should propose for Cueto at the deadline. This article had two suggestions (both trade suggestions were with the Red Sox), either Brock Holt, Henry Owens and Garin Cecchini for Cueto or (the more intriguing one in my opinion) Yoan Moncada for Cueto straight up. Moncada, for those of you that don’t know, is a 19 year old Cuban phenom infielder that the Sox signed this offseason for 30ish million dollars plus a 30ish million dollar tax for going over the international limit. The Reds would likely be on the hook for the 30-ish million of his actual contract, but I doubt they’d have to pay the tax. Moncada could be a very good piece to help them win soon, but also help them down the road. If they are going to trade Cueto, do it in an impact trade like this that helps them almost immediately, but still down the road too.

  4. George Mirones

    I didn’t have anything to say during the game or if I did it would have deleted. I agree with Jason nothing to say about this disaster. Good night.

  5. Janet

    BHam’s homer ties him with Jesse Winker’s stolen bases. Also, BHam has been more successful hitting home runs than bunting for base hits. I think he should just swing for the fences and forget about bunting.

    • pinson343

      When batting RHed, I think he’s already doing that.

  6. Carl Sayre

    Cingrani would have to get another look surely he has be better than Marquis or let’s put it he can’t be any worse. I am still scratching my head about carrying 3 catchers send Mez out and let him have his surgery, and maybe carry an extra pitcher to take some pressure off the pen while they look at an alternative in the rotation.

    • wdwrolen2713

      Don’t think bullpen could take hit of losing Tony, but maybe if you had him in rotation you could alternate the young guys w/o worrying about Marquis.

    • Vicferrari

      If they start Cingrani they would be in the same position they are with Lorenzen and Iglesias…hope you can get more than 5 innings from them and then shut them down around 150 innings. Cingrani as a reliever makes sense, what does not is starting Marquis when you did not have to.

    • Redsfan48

      Mesoraco said he will attempt to catch again within the next week or so, and then decide on surgery or not, based on whether or not he can catch. The Reds have some games in AL parks this week. So surely they are having him wait until after that to decide, because he can be the DH in the AL parks.

      • Vicferrari

        Thankfully Schumaker can go against the PH pitchers so Mes does not too worn out

      • Grand Salami

        Yes. Apparently Price has a ‘pitch hitting player’ that’s as etched in stone as his closer and the allowed three outs he may earn.

  7. pinson343

    Missed the game, thank goodness. Just saw some video clips. Am I to understand that Marquis was so bad that they had to bring in real firefighters ?

  8. pinson343

    Maybe the best way for Jay Bruce to get his swing back would be to have Marquis pitch batting practice to him.

    • preacherj

      LOL. Since the All-Star game is in Cinci anyway, MLB should just designate Marquis to pitch the home run derby. Might be some new records.

  9. pinson343

    Billy Hamilton now has a .500 slugging pct. batting RHed, in 44 ABs. His RHed line is .273/.283/.500. Batting LHed, in 93 ABs he’s batting .183/.255/.258.

    He’s a natural righty, wonder if the switch hitting thing was such a good idea.

    Also hit better RHed last year, but not nearly as much difference. As I recall he had a very slow start in 2014 batting RHed, but when he slumped after the AS break his RHed hitting wasn’t as bad as LHed.

    • jdx19

      I like this idea. I never understood why they wanted him to convert to switch. He wasn’t a good hitter to begin with. Giving him a weaker side has always been a bit silly to me.

  10. ManuelT

    Lorenzen pinch hits? People must be shaking their heads at our team and its short bench.

    • vegastypo

      We let Marquis hit for himself even though Badenhop was taking over the next inning. They’re good hitters by pitchers’ standards, but I guess Price had to save his ‘real’ pinch hitters for the comeback that put them within a few runs. Yeah, right.

      • Aaron Bradley

        If I was a hot shot draft pick and could hit and pitch I would stipulate in my contract that I play as both positions, i.e. start in CF when not pitching. Bo Jackson was the first to play two sports, surely someone can break new ground with being an every day player plus starting pitcher.

  11. RedAlert

    I think that smokestack in right center got too close to the Red’s bullpen 🔥🔥🔥

    • pinson343

      I was joking above (sort of) that the smokestack in right center got too close to the drives the Giants were hitting off Marquis.

  12. whereruklu

    Cuetto (2.93), Leake (2.36), Iglasias (2.77), DeSclfani (2.79), Lorenzen (4.00)…….Since Walt doesn’t seem that interested in making a push for contender this year, bring on the newbies and let them get some experience. Lorenzen’s ERA only rose significantly in his last outing. Out of the bullpen bring Cingrani (2.70), Diaz (6.75 but dropping), Contreras (2.70), Para (2.70), And of course, Chappy (1.10) bringing up the rear. In spite of having a couple of pitchers on the roster that probably have no business in the biggs, the pitching staff isn’t doing too bad considering the youth factor.
    If the Reds can only figure out what to do about a leadoff hitter, avoid anymore DL injuries, how to improve Jays BA, better plate discipline for Frazier (Votto always had it, and Byrd and Dat Dude are figuring it out), someway to get Messo in the lineup, strengthen the bench (Shumaker, Negron, Tucker, and Boesch aren’t the same as having someone like a Heisey, Ludwick, or Stubbs coming off the bench), Sure they weren’t lighting up the sky, but they had some pop and stats show they had better BA. And whatever the Reds do this year, sign Pena to another 2 year deal. That guys is too valuable to let get away right now.

  13. tgarretson82

    People have talked about KC Royals and 2011 Reds mind set as a team. And how it’s light years from the current Reds. Well I truly believe the players on this team see the managements lack of moves to address bullpen and Marquis spot as a reason they can not come back in games. If you think about it Marquis gives up 5, 6, 7 runs a start then why try. I still call this season on management. Now yes, game to game Price makes idiotic in-game decisions.

    • tgarretson82

      Maybe it’s a combination of BP and WJ. Neither way this Marquis nonsense cannot continue. Especially when WE DO have decent replacements in Cingrani, Iglesias, Lorenzen, or Moscot?.

  14. Tom Reed

    Looking forward to the DFA of the Comte de Marquis.

  15. sezwhom

    This game was over in the first inning. Bumgarner vs. Marquis! Good luck to us. Reds are so tardy making obvious moves. No reason in the world to keep Marquis in the SR.

    • jdx19

      There is a reason. He was Walt’s big off-season gambit.