Titanic Struggle Recap

Take that, Cardinals.

Final R H E
  St. Louis Cardinals (80-67) 0 3 1
  Cincinnati Reds (70-77) 1 3 0
W: Cueto (18-8)    L: Lynn (15-9)    S: Chapman (33)
 FanGraphs Win Probability |  The Worldwide Leader’s Box Score    |   Game Photos

Hey, a one-run win!

The Reds scored the game’s only run in the bottom of the eighth. Brandon Phillips — Brandon Phillips (!) — led off with a walk. Jay Bruce — Jay Bruce (!) — slapped a single to center field. Then Ramon Santiago — Ramon Santiago (!) — hit a soft line drive that Cardinals center fielder John Jay charged and dropped, allowing DatRun to cross the plate.

Johnny Cueto and Cardinals starter Lance Lynn were locked in a pitchers’ duel through 7.5 innings. Cueto gave up just three hits and a walk over eight innings, while striking out seven St. Louis hitters. Cueto retired the last fifteen batters he faced. His eight shutout innings lowered his ERA to 2.15. Surprisingly, Cueto managed to do all that without his personal catcher. (Will Brayan Peña get Wally Pipped by a hitter with an OPS of .924?)

Aroldis Chapman, pitching for the third day in a row, retired the Cardinals in the ninth to preserve the win and shutout.

Lance Lynn, meanwhile, had given up just two hits and no walks through the first seven.

Cueto’s eight shutout innings were also a product of outstanding defense. In the top of the third with a runner at third base, Todd Frazier laid out to snag a ground ball ticketed for extra-bases off the bat of Matt Holliday. Frazier recovered in time to flip the ball to Cueto who was covering first base, causing Holliday to slam his helmet in frustration. It’s a shame the video doesn’t include Jeff Brantley’s call, which was tremendous.

In the top of the seventh, Jay Bruce robbed Matt Adams of his daily home run in GABP by jumping at least a foot above the right field fence (video).

 

To commemorate the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the Reds took part in an unveiling ceremony with the USO that set a Guinness World Record for the most signatures on a flag. The USO (United Service Organization) is a non-governmental organization. The 115,000-plus signatures were gathered digitally and in-person from all fifty states and seven countries. The previous record, set in 2012, was about 33,000 signatures. This was the first stop for the flag. The second will be in Foxborough, MA at Gillette Stadium for a soccer game and the third in Dover, DE for a NASCAR race.

The Reds announced that Joey Votto would make the upcoming nine-game road trip to Milwaukee, Chicago and St. Louis. If the doctors say that Votto is healthy and the first baseman hasn’t experienced discomfort after practice, the Reds haven’t ruled out Votto playing the final week of the season. According to Bryan Price, the situation isn’t really close to that place at the moment (Rosecrans). But you have to admire the former MVP’s determination to return even in a lost season. (Fay)

Today marked the first time the Reds have won three games in a row since August 7. And that, Nation, is called a winning streak.

101 thoughts on “Take that, Cardinals.

  1. Fastest recap on the planet! Great game – love beating the Birds this way.

  2. Always fun to beat the Cardinals.

    Now the question is: Can the Reds go 12-5 over their last 17 games and at least avoid a losing record?

  3. “I gotta feeling things are going to turn around for us”- Here’s hoping our Redlegs keep it going and end the season fighting.

  4. I can hear the Brinks truck backing up to the Reds loading dock now. Beep, beep, beep. A sub 3.00 ERA for 4 straight seasons. Pay the man Mr. Castellini. The Reds cannot let him go elsewhere. The Reds, really, are all Cueto knows, and it should stay that way.

    • IF he goes, it has to be to the AL. We don’t want to face him for the next 10 years. But I’d rather we keep him.

    • I know this won’t fly very far but, this sounds like the same thought process that was used with the Votto and Bailey deal and injuries put a real chink into that working out. Cueto’s greatest value to the team, other than fan approval and maybe 17+ wins a year, is what others will pay for his presence. A player who helps the team 162 games a year and causes the batting order to create fear in the others team pitching staff!

      • That is why someone else will (over)pay him to do the same thing for them. He will be a nearly $30 million a year guy. NO WAY HE SIGNS with Reds.

      • You could also have said the same thing about Choo last year and his 423 obp and 5 win season. Everybody is glad the reds passed on that deal now. And what about cueto last year when he only pitched 50 innings? That could happen again, easily. I love Cueto. But I agree with George here. You don’t pay players for past performance, you pay them for what they will do going forward. I don’t think twenty plus million per year for cueto in his thirties is a good bet.

        • I think it’s just the kind of contract the Reds can’t really do. Too much money and too much of a gamble, especially on a pitcher. I’m talking about any pitcher too, not just Cueto. Pitchers get hurt more often than position players. Long term, high-dollar deals for pitchers are just too risky in my opinion. You have to draft and develop pitchers, sign a mid-level guy if you have to, and maybe keep one guy who you’re pretty sure will be really solid for a longer deal for more money. Not “ace” money though.

        • This age 30 fixations with performance decline don’t necessarily apply to top flight pitchers, like it does for 2B, SS and CF. Johnny Cueto will be 29 in 2015.
          Greg Maddux age 29 season 19-2, age 30 15-11, age 31 19-4, age 32 18-9, age 33 19-9, age 34 19-9. Cy Young Award age 26,27,28,29.
          Tom Glavine age 29 16-7, age 30 15-10, age 31 14-7, age 32 20-6, age 33 14-11, age 34 20-6. CYA age 25, 32.
          Pedro Martinez age 29 18-6, age 30 7-3, age 31 20-4,
          age 32 14-4, age 33 16-9, age 34 15-8. CYA age 26,27, 29.
          Randy Johnson age 29 19-8, age 30 13-6, age 31 18-2, age 32 5-0, age 33 20-4, age 34 19-11. CYA age 31,35,36,37,38.
          John Smoltz age 29 24-8, age 30 15-12, age 31 17-3, age 32 11-8, the spent 4 seasons as closer, age 37 14-7, age 38 16-9, age 39 14-8. CYA age 29.
          Roy Halladay age 29, 16-5, age 30 16-7, age 31 20-11, age 32 17-10, age 33 21-10, age 34 19-6. CYA age 26, 33.
          Lock up Cueto for his age 30-34 years.

      • I agree that long-term deals are risky for the club, but I expect that it would be hard to field a consistently competitive team with nothing but short-term players. And as for the implication that hitters are more important than pitchers, I couldn’t agree less. Good teams have both, but neither is sufficient by itself.

  5. One thing that I want to add, as much as I disliked Brantley doing radio in the past, he has been much, much better this season. He seems better able to stay calm while plays are going on, and tells me what just happened, rather than saying nothing while a play is unfolding, but the listener knows SOMETHING is going on just from the fan reaction. I was dreading, just dreading, a game recently when he was the play by play man and Doug Flynn was in the second seat, but it wasn’t bad. I didn’t hear Brantley’s call today, but it must have been good.

  6. Cueto’s spot is due up 9/16 in Chicago, but then with the next THU and MON off, his next start wouldn’t be until 9/23.

    Do you think they might skip Axelrod or Simon to allow Cueto to pitch the Sunday night game on national TV in St. Louis? That would be on 9/21, with the normal four-day rest.

    It wouldn’t give him an extra start this season or anything, but why not let him go for #19 or potentially #20 on national TV?

    • Oh, and I think Axelrod is done for the year. Good pitcher from what we’ve seen. We don’t want/need to risk it.

    • I doubt very highly that unless Cueto says something the Reds would pull him from his normal every fifth day starting the rest of the way.

    • The Reds tv broadcasters were thinking that most likely Cueto makes that start against St. Louis.

    • Axelrod is disabled, Holmberg would get that start, but i know what you are saying.

  7. This team is more or less out of it, and it fights tooth and nail every day. The 2013 team was in a division title race and laid down the final two weeks. Leadership.

    • Sorry, I’m really not sure you can compare this team favorably to last year’s in any significant way.

    • The 2013 team lost their final 6 after clinching a post season birth. That’s 6 days, not 2 weeks. That wasn’t good but can’t be compared to this team.

      • Absolutely, this team has far more injuries so the fact that they arent playing for anything but pride, makes this a somewhat more ending to a sad season. Still, sight cannot be lost that this team needs and upgrade and I believe one or more of the starters might get traded. The Reds can probably find a number of relievers on the trade market or free agency They will have to trade for an OF, I hope that they will not block some of the OF prospects coming down the pipe. Maybe Bourgeouis will fill the role? Hope not.

  8. Really sucks that with one more big hitter this team would proably be a wild card. Good thing we spend 110 million on a 5th place team but not pay a little more and/or give up a prospect to have a chance at the postseason.

    • I keep hearing this outcry for one more big hitter. Exactly whre is this big hitter suppose to come from? How many big hitters were available last fall in FA outside of Cruz who NOBODY wanted anything to do with till finally the O’s offered him a 1 year deal. Then with all the trading how many big hitters were traded that make a difference. It’s easy to “want” a big hitter, but given the limited market on them now a days due to the lack of PED, not real sure where this hitter is going to come from.

      • Walt really should have took that Stanton for Simon deal. It is a fact that teams want to get rid of the good hitters because they can only play left field.
        This line-up was lousy to begin with, Hamilton was being counted on, pretty much exceeded expectations, and he still is one of the worst lead off hitters in the league. I believe Votto’s presence turns things around but their are just so many things that this team is fundamentally bad at on offense. I guess this is what you get when a pitching coach manages.

        • I assume that you mean Stanton for Chapman, and isn’t that hearsay, anyway? I also doubt that teams want to get rid of good hitters because they play left field. Somebody has to, so why not a good hitter? And as Drew points out, not many big hitters have been signed as fa’s or traded recently.

    • Who is this magic player? If you look around you might notice that there are no real good options for LF in FA. That would mean to me that LF with a little pop are very popular. The only guys that are noticeably are guys like the Dodgers OF. If they would part with Van Slyke then I might think that a deal might get struck.

    • Don’t forget three run homers and fundamentals, hard to do when you give away so many outs on the basepaths and do not make any changes.

  9. Just tweeted this: If the #Reds had played .500 ball since the AS game, they’d be 3 games out of first place in the NL Central and tied for a Wild Card spot.

    • Like I said the other day, when the Cards lost Molina, they got Pierzynski. Now, I can’t stand that guy but he cost them basically nothing, provided leadership, and was a better catching option than they had in-house behind Molina. What did the Reds do when they knew Votto and BP were going to miss significant time? Nothing. Negron was a solid reserve and did a nice job. Honestly so did Santiago. BP’s loss wasn’t as bad as it could have been. Votto’s loss however was devastating and they did nothing to bring in even an average MLB hitter to man the 1B spot while he was gone. Heck, they didn’t even give the young guys like Soto and Lutz a chance. Good decisions vs bad decisions.

      • The failure to back fill with a even close to league average hitter for Votto is a huge failure as a GM. Not to mention that a good GM would have already have had one on hand on the bench or in AAA.

        • If Jocketty had acquired a LF in the off-season and a 1B when Votto went down (or even at the ASB) I doubt the Reds go into the massive team-wide slump in July and August. We sat around nodding at “one hitter wouldn’t have made a difference” and that was probably right. But two hitters almost certainly would have. Think of all the one-run games. The players are still the main culprit in the non-offense, but Jocketty has been really, really bad for a year and a half.

        • Just curious. What 1B was on the market at the time that would have filled the void?

        • Honestly, It really shouldn’t matter who was available to play first base at the ASB, it was a glaring deficiency coming out of spring training. I blame team construction. When one of the high points of the season is the play of your back up catcher, you have a problem. A GM problem.

    • IF….trying to unnecessarily complicate this situation in order to deflect attention from what the Reds really did. :o)

      • Why did Reds management think that Jack Hannahan was a viable option… he was hurt for half the season. Disturbing.

        • and he is Jack Hannahan-Walt must have lost his baseball card to look at the back of

  10. Man, I understand Clayton Kershaw is amazing and all, and between the scoreless streak earlier and the fact he plays for the Dodgers, the media hype behind him winning every single award is overwhelming… but I just don’t think you should be able to win the Cy Young with so few innings pitched. Cueto is at 222 right now. Kershaw is at 177.

    That’s 45 innings, which is a not small number by any means. That’s 5 complete games worth of starts or over six 7 inning starts.

    Kershaw’s pretty much already been given the Cy Young though, and is just waiting to see if they’ll give him the MVP too, which is a shame.

    • The media, including mlbnetwork, which is a whole lot better than espn, has already declared Kershaw to be the 2014 NL Cy Young award winner.

      • Kershaw is so off the chart good, I don’t think you hold an injury against him. Cueto is fantastic, but Kershaw has pretty much been better in every way. I love Cueto but there is no way you pass Kershaw’s historic season for him. It’s a shame but it’s also the way things are.

    • I’ve pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Kershaw will win the Cy Young. It’s a darn shame for Cueto.

  11. What an amazing effort by Cueto. I want him to win the Cy Young in the worst sorta way. Here’s hoping he can get to 20 wins and get the ERA under 2.00. If he does that, then the voters might have a very hard time dismissing him in favor of Kershaw, especially when there’s the not-so-small matter of Johnny having the equivalent of 6 more superb starts under his belt (45 more innings pitched). I don’t hate Kershaw and generally don’t want to see anyone fail, but it wouldn’t sadden me to see him get rocked once before the end of the season

    • Unless Kershaw breaks his arm or gets injuried, nothing Cueto does will get him the Cy young over Kershaw. Kershaw right now is a better pitcher and the fewer innings won’t be an issue. Reds get beat out for the Cy by a Dodger AGAIN, this is like the third time a Reds pitcher has finished second to a Dodger for Cy Young award.

      • Yeah pretty much have to concede in to Kershaw, he might get more K’s, CG’s, and Shutout than Cueto despite the innings- If Johnny goes on Hersheiser Scoreless streak and finishes with a lower ERA and 20 wins then he might have a shot

  12. What an absolutely fabulous game to watch! Pitching (as usual!). Defense (as usual!). Clutch walks (really!?). Clutch hits (really!?). Frustrated Birds (Yeah Baby!)

    Why send Schumaker up as a pinch hitter? Oh well, it was a fun game to watch anyway.

    • I thought it was time for Heisey’s PH HR- the fascination with a guy with a 69 OPS+ is mind-boggling

  13. Watched it all and it was one of the most fun games of the season. The Reds defense likes to play behind Cueto, and the offense has recently found a way to score for him just when he needs one for the win.

  14. I understand why Steve put an exclamation mark after mentioning BP’s walk but I believe BP was trying to draw a walk and I’ve seen him successfully work clutch walks before when he’s going well. Lynn was showing some signs of losing command in the 7th inning, so BP takes the first pitch for a ball. From there it was all fastballs just off the inside corner. Some were close pitches but he took them all. One was generously called a strike but that did not deter him from taking almost the same pitch in the same spot for ball 4.

    The walk was huge because they couldn’t put the usual shift on Bruce. With the usual shift on, his ground ball was an out.

    When BP is playing well, it’s a lot easier for this offense (no Votto and slumping Bruce) to score a single run when they need one.

      • Yeh. BP is a VERY situational hitter. He changes his approach with runners in scoring position and also with 2 strikes. He’s “situational” to a fault – likes to bunt a runner from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs – did that on his own once and even ticked off Dusty.

        He also changes his approach a lot depending on where he’s hitting in the batting order and his old school view of what that means. Remember that Dusty was his mentor. The last time he was batting leadoff, he was getting caught stealing a lot. When he’s batting 2nd, he likes to bunt or get a runner over to 3rd with a ground ball to the right side.
        In the first half Price even told him to stop thinking so much about his spot in the batting order and just hit.

        When he’s not healthy, pitchers just overpower him. When he’s healthy and on it’s usually fun (but sometimes aggravating) to watch him hit.

  15. I am sure Walt could have gotten say Mike Trout if he had offered Cutoe and Latos and maybe a couple other players, I mean I doubt the Angles would have balked at that offer. No one here has any clue what Walt tried to do during the season. All we see is the end product, not what was going on behind closed doors. It’s easy to play GM from your Lazy boy at home with no real information to go on.

    • Actions speak louder than words. Jocketty could have talked to 20 GM’s and he could have talked to 0. Talk talk talk. Action is what was needed, and action is not what we got. Bottom line was, the Reds needed some help and Jocketty gave a stand down order. And the season died a premature death.

      • We just don’t know about stand down orders, do we? And trade decisions are not unilateral, either, so talk is always necessary, and probably leads to no action more often than not because both sides can’t agree. Somebody needs to come up with a plausible conspiracy theory that explains why WJ is intent on scuttling the Reds, and I imagine that somebody will, but I’m not buying it.

        • I don’t think anyone believes WJ is trying to scuttle the Reds. Other theories that have been offered include being too risk averse, being too family-oriented toward his current team, being out of step with the way other GMs value players, being overconfident in his own players. Who knows which of those it is, but it hardly matters. Even if it is entirely Castellini’s fault (which I strongly doubt) it doesn’t matter. The Reds front office, broadly speaking, has failed the team (and fans) since the Choo trade.

    • At this point though drew, it doesn’t really matter. You could make that excuse for one off season or for one trade deadline, but Walt hasn’t done anything for almost 2 years to improve the team. If he couldn’t find someone better than a 31 year old back up catcher with a 74 wRC+ for his career to play first when votto went down, then he doesn’t need to be a major league gm. It should not have cost any of the reds top 5 prospects, and maybe not even any of their top 10 prospects to bring in a league average hitting first baseman or left fielder. The pirates didn’t give up any of their top guys to get Gaby Sanchez, ike Davis, or Marlon Byrd. If Walt can’t pull off even one decent trade over a two year period, that is all on him. Don’t forget that his big off season move was to sign Skippy to a 2 year deal, as well. That was his answer.

    • No one is talking about Trout, except you.

      You’re right, we don’t know what went on behind closed doors – either exculpatory or damning. And that includes you and other defenders. You don’t really know.

      Other teams managed to make trades. As you say, all we can go on is the end product. And that’s unambiguous failure by the Reds organization since the Choo deal.

      • You have summed up the Reds season in a nutshell, Steve. Injuries, yes, but as we know this happens to all teams, maybe not with the intensity it hit the Rangers and the Reds. But there’s been no action from the front office to upgrade the Reds offense, so we have a lost season where more was expected.

        • As you just said, the Reds and Rangers have been hit by a level of injuries that you just don’t see often. Kind of like the Angels last year and look where they are today. There’s nothing that the GM of a small market team could possibly do to mitigate the rash of serious injuries faced by the Reds this year.

      • So it’s all on Walt? I haven’t heard any critisim of Bob and in the end isn’t it the owner who the buck stops with?

      • You throwing the Bailey extension in there as part of the unambiguous failure of the Reds front office?

        Darn that Jocketty for not having a back up plan to be ready in case Bailey, Latos, Chapman, Marshall, Marshall, Cingrani, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, and Mesoraco all missed extended periods of time due to injuries.

        • The Reds have had more than their share of injuries, and as I’ve said here several times, that’s the single biggest cause of their losing record. But it’s not an either-or situation. It’s both. The Reds have had a lot of injuries AND their GM hasn’t done anything to improve the *2014* team. I don’t consider the notion of having a back-up first baseman OR a healthy back-up third baseman on the 40-man roster to be an unreasonable expectation from the GM.

      • Okay, Steve, point taken, but would you agree that any potential trading partner for the Reds would want pitching? And would you agree that, inasmuch as it took a long time (nearly forever) for the Reds to become a relatively pitching-rich team, they might very reasonably be cautious about trading it?

        • Sure. But the off-season move could have been for a free agent. The mid-season trade could have been for mid-to-lower prospects. In neither case did the Reds need a “big bat” they just needed league average. The Reds LF and non-Votto 1B has been 20 percent below average – and those are two positions that are relatively easy to find (compared to SS, 2B, 3B). So I think the Reds could have acquired major league average or even a little bit above average without trading anyone on their major league roster or one of their top prospects.

      • What GM wouldn’t have the ability to improve the bench coming out of spring training? I’m not saying Walt could have, or even should have, landed an all star or two, but there is no way I can see a lack of a competent corner infielder being acceptable. I was so tired of watching this team playing against it’s major strength of defense by shifting everyone out of position every night due to injury. We lost too many one run games to think that its not possible that a couple of positive tweaks here and there could have changed the outcome of this season. Steve’s point about where we would be if we played 500 ball after the ASB should be plenty for every fan to scream ‘enough’. You have got to nail the simple stuff.

    • Drew, a lot of times I see where you’re coming from. And yes, you’re right, we don’t know who WJ talked to. We don’t know how much payroll flexibility the big guy gave him. We don’t know who other teams wanted or exactly what they were willing to give up to the Reds. We don’t know what the costs would have been. I still have a few people I can talk to and the only rumor that I sniffed was a Latos for Cespedes deal that the Reds apparently said “no” to. Cespedes wound up getting moved to Boston… What we do know is that other teams did make trades. Other then Cespedes no big bats really moved but deals were done that arguably made teams better in the short term or the long term. WJ didn’t make any deals. Maybe there wasn’t a good fit for the Reds and obviously in WJ’s mind there wasn’t, but it’s possible that he was too conservative or overvalued his assets. We don’t know that either.

      At the end of the day, you judge a GM and manager by wins, losses, and circumstances. Injuries played a large role in the Reds decline this season but there are things could have been addressed that seemingly weren’t. The reasons really don’t matter. It will be up to the big guy to determine if his baseball operations staff did their job or not. Price is signed for 2 more years so I feel that it’s not incredibly likely that the big guy is going to let him go. Jocketty’s contract however is up and he hasn’t been extended yet. We know the big guy likes him but it’s going to come down to rather or not he thought WJ did a good job this year. I don’t think, based on the players the Reds have and moves not made, that he has. We’ll see if the big guy agrees when he signs or decides not to sign WJ.

    • You are absolutely right. We’ll never know what he tried to do and what what he didn’t do. All we’ll ever know is that the Reds had the pitching and defense needed down the stretch to make the playoffs, and that Walt failed to supply the offense needed to support it. Whether it was building the depth in house to back fill it, or going out and finding additional help, he failed either way. Bottom line is that Walt delivered a losing team.

      • See Kyle Farmer’s comment above. The point is that, yes, the Reds had the pitching and defense to make the playoffs, and that is precisely what they would have had to trade for the “big bat.” It could have been different with fewer injuries, but that’s not how it played out. I’m not apologizing for the inaction, but sometimes trying is all you can do unless you are in to pyrrhic victories.

    • Walt needed to get something done and he didn’t. Results matter. Want to be praised for trying hard? Go back to grade school.

  16. After watching Santiago over the course of the season, I really like him as a bench player. He’s the best backup SS the Reds have had in a long time (since Pokey Reese was backing up Larkin ?).

    I’m not talking about grit – I’m talking about a skill set and knowing how to use it. He is a disciplined hitter with an OBP over .350. He can play defense. He’s the best bunter on the team. His drag bunt was a thing of beauty, bunting it hard past the pitcher. I wish he’d teach that to Hamilton.

    Above all he is consistent in his approach at the plate and does not get overeager with the game on the line. I felt very confident with him up and the go-ahead run on 3rd. Yes Jay should have caught his line drive. But when you pick a good pitch to hit and stroke a line drive into the OF in that situation, good things can happen.

    • Yeah, Santiago has been a lot less terrible than I expected. Still someone I wish got less playing time (would mean everyone else was healthy), but as a bench player? Not terrible. A huge improvement over Izturis/Renteria/Valdez and all the other players who never played a major league game again after their stint with the Reds.

  17. Chris Welsh was talking about Cueto’s remarkable stat of batters hitting .150 against him from the 7th inning on. He was saying that it’s not because Cueto throws harder later, it’s because by then Cueto has figured out what’s working in his repertoire and knows just how he wants to approach each hitter.

    Cueto is a very smart pitcher, but I don’t hear the media say that.

    • He’s become better than Soto which is a heck of an accomplishment. This season ranks with Jackson’s 1988 year.

  18. When Jay brought Adams’ ball back in, how close was that to a Bartman moment? I couldn’t really tell from the video I saw.

  19. Nice to see the Reds stick it to the Cardinals.
    though I am a huge Cueto fan I am thinking that overall Kershaw had a better season as a pitcher, sorry guys but 45 innings isn’t a big enough of a gap to say Kershaw didn’t pitch a complete season. Not only that but Kershaw will be pitching into the play offs, which means that he pitched in more meaningful games than Cueto did.

    Does anyone have a list up yet that shows who the Reds need to protect in the rule 5 draft?

    • I think Waldrop will need to be protected. Ryan Wright would also be eligible, but I don’t see anybody taking him. Don’t know about anybody else.

  20. It was a great game and a great team effort all around.

    However the fine line that the team usually walks to get the win even behind Cueto really in a sense highlights the offensive deficiencies of the team even as it underscores Cueto’s personal brilliance to be able to pull it off time and time again.

  21. Just looked at the highlights… that’s fun to see. Glad to see the Reds give a little nudge to the Cards as the season winds down.

    I was at the Milwaukee game last night when Stanton got hit in the face… heard the dull smack from the upper deck. Scary stuff. First time I’ve ever seen a crew have to replace dirt for non rain reasons.

    • Wouldn’t it be sweet to follow up and actually win that series in STL next weekend to set a nice little tone heading into 2015!

  22. Lets all hope Giancarlo Stanton will be OK. His injuries are going to be worse than what Chapman’s were. He’ll need more than 8 weeks to recover from this.

  23. I osted this up higher by mistake, sorry, as I post this again.
    Cueto will be worth every penny of an extension.
    This age 30 fixations with performance decline don’t necessarily apply to top flight pitchers, like it does for 2B, SS and CF. Johnny Cueto will be 29 in 2015.
    Greg Maddux age 29 season 19-2, age 30 15-11, age 31 19-4, age 32 18-9, age 33 19-9, age 34 19-9. Cy Young Award age 26,27,28,29.
    Tom Glavine age 29 16-7, age 30 15-10, age 31 14-7, age 32 20-6, age 33 14-11, age 34 20-6. CYA age 25, 32.
    Pedro Martinez age 29 18-6, age 30 7-3, age 31 20-4,
    age 32 14-4, age 33 16-9, age 34 15-8. CYA age 26,27, 29.
    Randy Johnson age 29 19-8, age 30 13-6, age 31 18-2, age 32 5-0, age 33 20-4, age 34 19-11. CYA age 31,35,36,37,38.
    John Smoltz age 29 24-8, age 30 15-12, age 31 17-3, age 32 11-8, the spent 4 seasons as closer, age 37 14-7, age 38 16-9, age 39 14-8. CYA age 29.
    Roy Halladay age 29, 16-5, age 30 16-7, age 31 20-11, age 32 17-10, age 33 21-10, age 34 19-6. CYA age 26, 33.
    Lock up Cueto for his age 30-34 years.

    • I cannot agree with selecting some of the most exceptional cases in baseball history. Maddux and Glavine were not fastball pitcher like Cueto (and the umps gave them ridiculous/BS stike calls). Johnson is not human and cannot be compared. All the other 3 fell off the planet in their age 35 season and were done as players shortly after. Cueto will get a 6-8 year deal, not a 4 year deal.

      • What? The most exceptional cases in baseball history?? All I did was just look at the better pitchers for the last 20 years. Didn’t even include Clemens. Cueto is one of the better pitchers in the game today and has been. Just comparing him to some contemparies and what their age 29-34 years produced. Age 29-34 is six years. It is irrelevant what the umps called. And it is irrelevant what pitchers threw. Maddux threw his fastball almost 75% of the time between his age 29-34 years, and Glavine 66%.
        “Johnson is not human and cannot be compared” is ludicrus and shows your short-sightedness and dismisiveness of actual facts. The “other 3 fell of the planet in their age 35 season” is humorous. When Smoltz clearly won 14+ games in his age 37, 38 and 39 seasons.
        Nothing in my post about signing Cueto past his age 34 season.
        Please, take a reading comprehension course.

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