Game Thread

Braves at Reds (August 23, 2014)

I’m running low on optimistic comments to make in the game thread. So I borrowed this from Michael J. Hampton in last night’s game thread:

Some reasons to watch the last 5 weeks of the season:

I want to see if Latos can get his velocity up
I want to see if Cueto can win 20
I want to see if Bailey returns
I want to see if Simon can recover a little bit of his pre ASG luster (He was pitching over his head, but I think he is better than he has pitched post ASG, may be just be worn down)
I want to see if Frazier and Mesoraco can finish strong
I want to see if Bruce can get out of his funk
I want to see how well Phillips recovers from his surgery
I want to see if Hamilton works on improving some areas of his game, in particular plate discipline
and maybe in September, call up some of the AAA guys and see what they got

and maybe, just maybe, 3 weeks of a fully recovered Votto (The only way I want to see him this year).

Those are all good reasons to watch from here forward. However Michael did not mention a thing about the excitement of watching Skip Schumaker and Jack Hannahan. I’m sure it was just a mistake on his part.

Discuss the game here Reds fans!

Lineup
1. Hamilton CF
2. Schumaker LF
3. Phillips 2B
4. Frazier 3B
5. Pena C
6. Heisey RF
7. Hannahan 1B
8. Cozart SS
9. Leake P

116 thoughts on “Braves at Reds (August 23, 2014)

    • Darrin, I have to agree. I’ve got goose bumps all over just reading through the lineup…

      1] 0.688 OPS
      2] 0.602 OPS
      3] 0.683 OPS
      4] 0.798 OPS
      5] 0.674 OPS
      6] 0.627 OPS
      7] 0.293 OPS
      8] 0.566 OPS

      Just one player with an OPS even over .700. Leake better bring his A+ game tonight.

      • Leake’s OPS nearly double Hannahan’s. And Leake has probably been asked to hit into an out 3 of 4 PA (bunt). Would Hannahan’s OPS be higher if he bunted every PA…one wonders?

  1. Here’s something else t cheer for:
    If the Reds record ends up in the bottom 10, they get a protected signing of a free agent. Meaning they don’t have to give up a draft pick for signing someone.

    • Jocketty will sign George Kotteras with that protected privilege. After all, he played in STL!

    • Not quite true. A bottom 10 finish protects the 1st round, top 10, draft pick. Any comp picks or subsequent draft picks are not protected and the top avaialbe draft pick would be forfeited to sign a FA who had declined an offer.

      • Who exactly would this be?, I want to make sure I have all the facts before rooting for them to lose.

  2. Maybe season long stats are not being fair. These must be the hot hitters to get the offense ignited. Looking just at August…

    1] 0.619 OPS
    2] 0.621 OPS
    3] 0.390 OPS
    4] 0.754 OPS
    5] 0.599 OPS
    6] 0.628 OPS
    7] 0.481 OPS
    8] 0.587 OPS

    Now I feel so much better…

    • Thank goodness, now I see the value of playing Hannahan. He’s hotter than match as The Cowboy would say.

        • Might as well see what he can do since we’re on the hook for at least $2 million in 2015 even to get rid of him. I’d give him most of the starts at 1B against righties until JV comes back. We’re all agreed the Reds are out of it, so why not? There’s a week before the rosters expand anyway and Pena has played a lot this year.

  3. Huge mistake to try to start this on time. A cell with heavy rain is headed due south, straight at the park. It should be there within a half hour. There appears to be a decent window behind it.

    • Expand your weather map to include Indianapolis. When that gets here everybody might as well go home and we Play the dreaded double-header tomorrow.

      • I actually just got that weather here north of Indy. I think there could be a window for a shortened game before that line hits Cincinnati.

  4. The guys doing the nationals /giants game were using Baileys contract as a guideline as to what Zimmerman of the Nationals could get on an extension.

    • Jordan Zimmermann will/sholuld return much more $$$ than Homer Bailey. And the Nats owner will $$$.

  5. Double the fun, double the Pleasure. I predict a Braves’ sweep. Bring on the Cubs.

  6. If you’re (even secretly) rooting for a weather delay/postponement, you really have conceded the season. It is what it is.

  7. Bailey will make in 18m 2016 – what do with Cueto and Latos

    Top pitcher salary of the teams currently in the playoffs

    Orioles 11m
    Royals 13m
    Angels 16m two players
    A’s 7m
    Tigers 20m are going to let Scherzer go

    Nationals 8m
    Braves 14m one year contract
    Brewers 12m three similar contracts
    Cardinals19m
    Dodgers 30m two large contracts
    Giants 20m

    Reds signed Bailey, 18m is at the top end of the teams above
    Cueto is very good – he will be 30 in 2016
    Latos and leake are arb eligible next year, wonder what they will get
    Can the Reds afford 2 or more high priced pitchers to go with Votto’s contract?

    • You’re doing a little apples-and-oranges thing here – using Bailey’s 2016 salary but comparing to 2014 current salaries of other teams. Bailey is only making $9 million this year (over half deferred) and $10 million next year. Compare 2015 salaries – Bailey at $10 million – with other playoff teams.

      Detroit – Verlander $28 million
      LA Angeles – Wilson $18.5 million, Weaver $18.2 million
      Seattle – Hernandez $24.8 million
      St. Louis – Wainwright $19.5 million
      Milwaukee – Lohse $11 million, Garza $12.5 million
      Washington – Zimmerman $16.5 million, Gonzalez $12.5 million
      LA Dodgers – Kershaw $32 million, Greinke $25 million
      SanFran – Cain $20 million, Lincecum $18 million, Hudson $12 million
      Philly – Lee $25 million, Hamels $23.5 million, Burnett $11.25 million
      Yankees (of course) – CC $23.5 million, Tanaka $22 million

      Baltimore and Kansas City don’t have any top-end starting pitchers signed for 2015 and that’s considered a huge flaw in their roster.

      The Reds can afford Latos or Cueto and Leake.

      • Thanks for the numbers, better presented than my list. Forgot the Mariners

        I used 2016 for Bailey since that will be the decision year for the other 3. Just not sure teams need to spend a lot on pitching.

        What will Latos/Leake get in arb next year?

        What is a comparison for Cueto’s next contract?

  8. FSO saying that a decision will be discussed at 8:30 as to whether to play or not. That mess coming from the northwest will be about 35 minutes away by then. It is in greenfield now.

    • That line is going to take a lot longer than 35 minutes to get to the ballpark.

      Once this last little cell moves through, if the field is playable in a short time, they should start this game.

    • You sure it’s not a discussion on if they should play or not because of the mess that is the Reds?

  9. Painful to visit the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and see a late-August headline beginning with these words, “Rising Cardinals …”

  10. Billy showing a very open stance in that AB. Can’t recall seeing that since May.

  11. Rather than talk about depressing Reds stuff, I propose we talk about this.

    http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/08/15/89748402/where-do-you-stand-on-these-five-pressing-baseball-fashion-debates

    I want to say High, Curved, Bare (If only because guys stepping out to adjust gloves every pitch is obnoxious.. yes, you Jay Bruce), and I am fine with White/Black/Team Colors for cleats.

    I really don’t like the long pants that hang around the cleats. Just doesn’t look good.

    • I agree with you on those. Especially the gloves. Try and count how many times Skip adjusts his gloves for an AB. They’re not going anywhere Skip, stop adjusting em. The stirrup socks look silly these days

    • who is screaming to get rid of Votto? Some might think it is a bad contract, but I missed all the people screaming…and do they look at OPS?

  12. I’ve been watching the game on and off, but just now checked in to RedLegNation. I’m flattered :).

    And yeah, Chris, you caught me on Skip and Jack, what was I thinking.

  13. Folloing on GamedayQuestion: Did they really sacrifice Billy to get Leake over to 3rd in the 6th inning? Or was it a legit attempt to get on base?

    • Billy does that a lot, sort of a running bunt with someone on. If you check, I think he has done that 10-12 times this year as a way to keep his average up.

    • That was a sac bunt, not a drag bunt. It’s a different technique. They even explained it on tv. So Price had Hamiton sacrifice to put it on Schumaker to get the run in with 1 out. And Schumake got dominated, big surprise.

      • I know there has been a lot of questioning of strategy on the bunt but I seriously have to question how this helps you for the game. Not 2nd guessing since Schu did not get the SF- but you ruin chances of a big inning

    • Good to see. Bails out the awful bunt strategy. Wonder how many times Sparky had Pete bunt a runner from second to third?

      • The main point for me is that he had Hamilton make the sac out so Schumaker could come thru with the big RBI. Makes me ill.

      • I do not care if Schu actually gets the runner in, it eliminates a chance at a big inning, with Billy on base there is very good chance he scores and if he makes contact there is a very good chance he accomplishes what the sacrifice does

  14. Brandon ! They were saying on tv how he’d spotted Santana balk (before his hit) and the umpires missed it.

    • Really glad it worked out thank goodness that Descalso is not on the Braves roster, he would have came in and hit a bases clearing bloop double.
      Like the whole Jumbo story and want him to have success

  15. So what is the take on this move, I am on the fence of letting Leake get out of this mess, letting Jumbo get a chance at his 3rd blown save this week, just bad bullpen when a 30 year old rookie is your best option

  16. I’m just afraid seeing Jumbo throw one right down broadway as he sometimes does in trying to bring his heat

    • His first pitch was a change up – that’s the adjustment he’s made after his bad outing against the Cardinals.

  17. Mike was tired, Jumbo has pitched well overall and – very important with the bases loaded – he doesn’t walk many. As I said above, I liked the move.

    Nice play by Cozart !

    • 1 for 3 night raises his BA to .130- I just wonder as a business model there must be a 100 other players at 1B they could play that would actually draw more fans just for the gimmic factor- probably would increase their chance of winning- be it Soto, Lutz, Sean Casey…maybe there was a time when Jack Hanahan was legit and I am just jaded with this shell of his former self

  18. That was a tough decision for Price, whether or not to take out Leake. I’m glad I didn’t have to make it. Not sure I could have looked Leake in the eyes and taken him out.

    Zack Cozart, making all the plays.

    • And eschewed the temptation to have Parra face Lastrella to get the lefty match-up- probably thought it out and realized they would counter with a righty
      Like I said above glad it worked out, I like the Jumbo story it is good for baseball

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