The Reds welcome the Red Sox into Great American Ball Park for another interleague series. The Reds were able to win the last two interleague games that were in GABP and will look to continue that winning streak tonight against Boston.

These series always scare me. No, not the outcome of the game but the fact that the Red Sox are in town. The Red Sox have a large following of fans. I’m afraid that as I watch the game tonight I’ll hear a lot of cheers from the opposing team’s crowd inside the stadium. I really hope I am wrong and Cincinnati fans pack the place. With that said, I have some friends here in Virginia making the 4-hour trip to Cincinnati to watch these games. They are Red Sox fans! Here’s to hoping them a safe, and disappointing ride home!

Discuss the game here Reds fans! Go Reds!

Lineup:
1. Hamilton CF
2. Bruce RF
3. Frazier 3B
4. Mesoraco C
5. Pena 1B
6. Heisey LF
7. Santiago 2B
8. Cozart SS
9. Latos P

A simple Reds fan from a simple town. I have been a Reds fan all my life. The 1990 team was crowned Champions during my prime youth years and I grew up idolizing Chris Sabo all the way down to the flat top hair style and the #17. I have passed that love of the Reds down to my three boys who love the game and the Reds just as much as I do! Follow me on twitter @CoachWilson17

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  1. No surprises in the lineup; Negron has fallen into a prolonged slump and Santiago went 2 for 3 Sunday. Ludwick is 0-5 lifetime against Kelly plus looked awful Sunday. I would have preferred Skip 5 for 18 in his last 5 starts to Heisey 3 for 26 in his last 6 but 3 for 5 coming off the bench in that period but that’s a minor quibble. Chris seems to get a lot of rope.

    • Heisey get a lot of rope because he plays good defense and he’s got more power than Schumaker. Of course he often hangs himself with that rope. I like him as a pinch hitter.

    • Why use Skip’s last 5 starts and Heisey’s last 6? If you took Skip to 6 starts he’d be 5-21. If you took Heisey to 5 starts he’d be 3-20.

      But for some reason you decided to go 5 for Skip and 6 for Heisey. Go equal for both at least. 5-18, 3-20 if you’re talking the last 5 starts. Of course that doesn’t support your narrative.

      Skip Schumaker has been worth -1.0 WAR this season. That means he’s been worth a full win less than a *replacement* level player.

      Heisey’s August: .294/.333/.471 with plus defense.
      Schumaker’s August: .238/.292/.238 with awful defense.

      Regardless of how you try to skew it by excluding PHs and making Heisey’s sample size be just big enough to look awful and Schumaker’s small enough to be good, the fact remains Heisey is a better baseball players than Skip. Skip has no defense, no power, no speed, and no business starting baseball games.

      • But hey, at least he has grit.

        • That’s one of the more amazing/depressing things: Schumaker has also been lousy at gritty things like driving in a runner from 3B with less than 2 outs or moving a runner over.

      • How doesn’t the last 5 starts “support my narrative”? .278 is still a bit better than .150. And we won’t mention how Heisey managed to get himself picked off as the tying run in the 9th on Saturday.

        Heisey’s August is only good because he was 3 for 5 as a non-starter. In his three starts, he’s 2 for 12.

        I’m more interested in how a player is performing NOW than what he did in April or May. Heisey has been given ample chances to start but he consistently fails to hit at all.

        The team needs offense which Skip has a better chance of providing than “no-hit” Heisey. But you guys have some bias against Skip (I guess because he used to play for the Cardinals) so you’d prefer that someone plays who can’t hit when he starts. At this point, I’d say Heisey is a pretty good non-tender candidate for next year; why pay $2 million for someone who you can’t start?

        • 5 games is NOTHING. You are making yourself look silly by even trying to make this argument.

        • There is only one way to evaluate Skip, carreer numbers. They are frankly horrible. How he is a major leaguer is beyond me.

        • Do you have any concept of sample size? You cannot seriously be saying Negron is in a “prolonged” slump that has lasted a grand total of 3 games. And saying Skip should be playing because of how he has hit in his last 5 starts.

          Surely you must recognize that just because Santiago went 2 for 3 on Sunday, doesn’t mean he is “on fire”, or something of that nature.

      • Excellent post, ToddAlmighty.

  2. Considering that the Reds are without BP and Votto, this is their A lineup. I’d say the same thing if Ludwick were in the lineup, Ludwick vs. Heisey is a wash right now.

    The Red Sox lineup is surprisingly full of holes, but regardless I don’t expect them to be quiet on offense.

  3. Skip men on 3rd less than two outs:

    .462/.400/.692 16PAs, 13 ABs, 12 RBIs.

    Heisey same situation:

    .222/.250/.556 12 PAs, 9AB, 7 RBIs

    • I love how these threads always start with an argument on who sucks the least. LOL!

    • I’m not sure what your 13 and 9 AB stats are supposed to show us.

      • 9 at bats?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

        • I was responding to Eric the Red’s post:

          That’s one of the more amazing/depressing things: Schumaker has also been lousy at gritty things like driving in a runner from 3B with less than 2 outs or moving a runner over.

          Actually he’s been quite good in the first situation. Don’t know where to find stats for the latter.

        • You’re ruining the narrative.

    • Do you seriously think that how someone has performed in a 9 at-bat sample is in any way predictive of how they’ll do in the future?

  4. Admittedly Skip hasn’t had a good year but here’s some other stats which might be relevant when you want to score some runs:

    RISP:

    Heisey: .152/.196/.261
    Skip: 229/.291/.333

    Men on Base:

    Heisey: .167/.215/.278
    Skip .237/.294/.316

    It’s not even close.

    • I think Sparky will agree Shu sucks much less

      • Don’t recommend spending much time defending either of them.

    • This has gone past silly to the point of parody now.” Hey, skip is 10-20 with 3 homers on Thursdays in August against right handed pitchers under 30. That means he’s so much better than Heisey because heisey is 0-12 against lefties named Ramon or Jose”
      Dude if you can’t see that Heisey is a much more useful player than skippy then I don’t know what to tell you.

  5. It sucks that we have to talk about who sucks.

  6. 4 pitch walk to Billy. Wow. How bad is this pitcher?

  7. Surprised he went on a 3-0 count – pretty much guaranteed Kelly was going to throw a fastball which makes it harder to steal.

  8. So does this mean he’s going to have to throw strikes to Frazier and Mez? I like that plan.

  9. Yeah baby! Frazier with another crazy reach swing.

  10. Mez!!! Continues to amaze.

  11. Well that was brutal. First pitch swing against a guy who has thrown more balls than strikes this inning.

  12. Heisey got lucky. That 2nd ball was a clear strike.

    • Ump didn’t miss it the next time. A couple of bad ABs there at the end but I’ll take the 2 runs.

  13. The Shu would have swung and missed that pitch instead of just watching it go by…LOL

  14. Latos sucks . . . . At bat.

  15. Not sure with a wild pitcher on the mound, Pena decides to swing at the first pitch and ground into a double play? Why not take a strike and “work” the at bat. Let the pitcher work a little….

  16. Lots of Red Sox fans here.

  17. Glad Latos got out of that before his pitch count got way out of hand.

  18. Good job by Latos there after his brain lock in not even looking at the pitcher on 2B. Overpowered Big Papi and got Cespedes on a routine fly ball.

  19. Kelly won’t last long at this rate.

  20. Good read by Bruce on bases.

  21. Pena has seen 2 strikes and has 2 weak ground outs. Not a good game so far.

    • Let the nitpicking start ……………………………….

      The guy’s a hacker; let him hack.

    • Sure doesn’t help with a bad hamstring either…

      • He looked OK running to the bag on the ground out where he waved off Latos. Just hasn’t make good contact in his ABs. Be nice if he could continue his hitting streak.

  22. I wish Chris Heisey could learn to hit something other than a fastball. He might have a full time job if he did.

  23. Heisey is doing his best to make Ludwick look good

  24. I feel bad for Heisey, He just looks like hes really guessing, and guessing badly. He could use a bit of grit!

  25. Santiago works a walk and Cozart swings at the first pitch and hits into a dp… Wow.

    • Why take a strike? If he got a hit would you have complained about him swinging at the first pitch?

      • Not all strikes are the same. In that kind of situation, he should be looking for a specific pitch in a specific area. Otherwise, let it go. Usually in that situation, the batter will hit the ball hard. It may be an out but it will be scalded. Cozart’s ball wasn’t hit that hard. That’s why I have a problem with it.

  26. Reds batters make my head hurt.

  27. Good old reliable Cozart aka the double play kid.

  28. Love to see opponents hitting ground balls at GABP.

  29. Another 1,2,3 by Mat. Looking good.

  30. If all I was doing was reading the posts here rather than watching the game, I’d think we were losing by 10 runs.

  31. Buccos are up early, and Tigers are struggling, but I sure would rather draw the Sox than Detroit in Interleague.

  32. What a huge disappointment, Hamilton has disappeared in the second half.

  33. Big K Papi.

  34. Latos made Big Poppy look bad on that strikeout swing. Go Reds!

  35. So does anyone know the Front Office plan?

    Are we just waiting around for BP and Votto? Waiting until September and the inter-division games to make a push? Or just standing pat and let the chips fall where they may?

    • I think the front office plan is the same plan for when you see a grizzly bear in the woods: Stand still, no sudden moves, and hope for the best.

      • Ha! It just feels like someone is asleep at the wheel. maybe I’m just anxious and see an obvious opportunity here.

    • “So does anyone know the Front Office plan?”

      For some reason, I just thought about the damage control creedo we used in the submarine service:
      “When in trouble, when in doubt: Run in circles, scream and shout.”

  36. That was played well off that wall and a strong throw.

  37. Looks like johnny bench gave Devin some sound advice last week…

  38. This could be the game if Latos gives in

  39. Weren’t they supposed to bunt after the double? Don’t they read the rules in Boston?

    • Just curious, is bunting the tie run into scoring position ever a good idea, I thought if you were the home team it is borderline given the batter

  40. Jumbo throwing in the pen.

  41. Latos better shut this inning down if he wants a chance for the win. The Reds bats have run out of RBI’s since the 1st.

  42. That was a very, very loud out.

  43. Just a lonnnngggg out. Whew! though.

  44. Mat, please look at the runner on second once in a while.

  45. Nice job Matt, love seeing that fire. Go Reds!

  46. That was fun ……………………

    A few extra runs would be nice.

  47. Broxton up now.

  48. I just noticed that Marty hasn’t taken any innings off the way they always take turns going solo.

    • Is he doing the game with Doug Flynn? He didn’t take innings off when paired with him earlier this year. Side note, I like Flynn doing the game.

  49. Sox going to the pen, do we stay with Grit here or take the Grit down?

  50. With the 1 run game we will probably let the Grit do his thing.

  51. Marlins up 3-0 in the bottom of the 8th. Could be a golden opportunity to pick up ground on the Cardinals.

  52. I’m a bit stunned the Red Sox spent a bullpen arm to specifically come in and face Skip Shu… They obviously know something we don’t.

  53. Up to Broxton and (we hope) Chapman now.

  54. I am fine with bringing Broxton into the 8th, but if someone gets on Chapman needs to be summoned to face Ortiz.

    • But it is not the 9th, why use such a radical strategy so late in the season with playoff spots on the line

  55. I’ll tell ya one thing, there’s not another player in the lineup that can match the gritty look on their face that Skippy Schumaker has. Go Reds!

  56. Not good. Broxton was getting hit hard and it caught up with him.

  57. Doug Flynn comparing Padroia (excuse the spelling) to Pete Rose in any way, fashion or from makes my stomach feel queasy.

  58. I was just about to say ….. I don’t know that you want to make Cespedes mad here.

  59. The only thing you couldn’t have happen. 1st base open…just don’t get it.

    • I’ve been told I’m in no position to suggest this team lacks mental toughness, but it’s hard to understand how a team with mental toughness will consistently do the dumbest possible thing they can possibly do.

      • Because the decision to intentionally walk a batter or not comes from the dugout.

        If you’re saying it’s because Broxton gave up a home run, that wasn’t because of a lack of “mental toughness”. It’s because it was a bad pitch.

        • I’m confident that if Broxton doesn’t want to throw a strike, he doesn’t have to. The smart thing to do in that situation, or any situation like it, is to not throw a hittable pitch and see if he’ll bit. If not, you go after the much weaker hitter. I don’t understand how it could possibly make sense to throw anything near the strike zone when you’ve got an open base, two outs, and a significantly less dangerous hitter next.

        • It doesn’t mean Broxton isn’t “mentally tough” though. It means he made a bad pitch.

      • What dumb thing did they do now?

        • All Cespedes can do is hit fastballs. All Broxton can do is throw fastballs. It’s a matter of you getting beat on your 2nd best pitch vs. him beating you with your best pitch with a base open. He challenged Ortiz and won, challenged Cespedes and lost.

    • Yeah, I probably would have rather face Nava with 2 on than Cespedes with 1 on. Oh well, too late now.

    • I only watch the Reds, and I watch religiously…but I can’t understand how many situational baseball blunders they make. You don’t intentionally walk cespedes there, but you sure as heck don’t even come close to the possibility of a mistake pitch that will likely cost you the game with this offense. If you put cespedes on and Nava beats you, then so be it. But to let him beat you is just mind boggling.

  60. 35,903 turned out for tonight’s titanic struggle, 35,903.

  61. Thats why closer in 9th and set up man in the 8th inning is stupid. The only dangerous hitters are faced by the weaker of the 2, just by the book BS. Chapman would now will face 3 guys hitting around .200 in 9th.

  62. This team has the lowest baseball IQ I have ever seen.
    They do the things that defy explanation.
    Another in a series of face plant moments.
    Why do you pitch to Cespedes with 1B open?
    I don’t want to hear that the pitch wasn’t where you wanted it.
    You throw a purpose pitch up and in, you follow it with a curve ball that starts at the head again but breaks over the plate or away.
    Not cheese down the middle.
    Dumb baseball.

  63. Cards and Brews getting beat… I hope the Reds somehow pull a win out tonight.

  64. Commence the Reds going quietly into the night

  65. 44 games left and no sign of pulling out the season. Raise your hand if you think this team can go 30-14 down the stretch because that is what it’s going to take to get into the playoffs.

  66. Frazier took some really close pitches this game. Very good AB.

  67. That’s a drag… top of the order didn’t get it done.

  68. Mesoraco was probably the Reds last best hope. But it ain’t over yet, the Reds can still win this thing. Go Reds!

  69. 1 hit since the 3rd inning not going to get it done boys.

  70. Reds only got three hits after the opening inning.

  71. I thought that since Jumbo was the one warming up to begin with he should’ve pitched the 8th.

  72. Not walking Cespedes is a failure on Bryan Price’s part. You don’t give Broxton the chance to make a mistake pitch in that situation. Take the bat out of Cespedes’ hands and make Daniel Nava beat you.

    • Although what I really would have done is bring in Chapman to face Ortiz and Cespedes. That’s what your “closer” should be there for.

    • Oh gee, you mean Bryan Price made another mistake late in a close game. Color me shocked. Worst manager in baseball with perhaps Fredi Gonzalez being the exception. I can’t believe the Reds fired Dusty and handed the keys to this clown.

  73. I’m staying hopeful but I imagine the FanGraphs numbers took a hit when Hamilton flied out last inning.

  74. Its do or time for the Reds to win this game. Go Reds!

  75. Wow, Boston 40-0 when leading after 8?

  76. Will Heisey see a fastball?

  77. Reds get two runs in their first 4 ABs with a golden opportunity for more. Not exactly how I hoped this would turn out against a bad Red Sox team.

  78. We have a base runner…

  79. Pinning your hopes on Santiago and Cozart. Life support?

  80. I would bet that not one Reds hitter is aware that pitcher closing the game out for Boston has only walked 7 hitters all season.

  81. IS this game in Cincinnati? It sounds like it is in Boston.

  82. Why is Cozart hitting?

  83. tough loss. I would love to know if Cozart has set a MLB record for pop ups. At least he battled.

  84. A one run loss…..how unusual.

  85. What is that 50 or so 1 run loses?

  86. Boy oh boy, I’m sure glad Aroldis Chapman and Ryan Ludwick were saved for later, aren’t y’all?

  87. This has been a miserable second half.

  88. Brews getting beat, Cards lose, Bucs win. It could have been a good night with a win.

  89. Yet again we lose a one-run game with Cozart making the last out and other hitters available. Price seems to lack even a basic understanding of offensive baseball strategy.

    • Yep. Like I said above, worst manager in baseball. He has zero feel for how to handle late-inning situations in close games.

    • Hate to say it , but it ain’t even surprising any more / has shown the same tendencies all year and there is no doubt it has cost some wins , no doubt

  90. Does anyone recall Cozart getting a hit in a situation like that at any point in his career? Has he ever had a game-winning or game-tying hit in the 9th? I assume it’s happened, but I honestly don’t remember it.

    • Reds have to find a better option before next season at short – Cozart is wizard with glove but the invisible man with a bat – just pitiful – brutal – tired of the popups , Double play to short or 3rd – this his act is old

  91. What’s interesting is that I recall seeing posts here mentioning that several of Broxtons saber numbers were the result of being a bit lucky this year and they were due to change… They might be right.

    • I think you might be jumping the gun a bit. Broxton has been nothing short of amazing this season. Even the best of the best relievers would have outings where they would give up runs. Lets give Broxton a few more outings before concluding he’s just been lucky.

  92. Not sure again…..why Cozart up and Ludwick not PH?? Wonder if Ludwick is injured or something? Maybe the Reds are getting ready to trade him?

    • I think he was on deck when Cozart batted.

      • That’s what I heard. So you let a terrible hitter make the last out while a decent hitter sits on deck on the off chance the terrible hitter reaches base. It makes NO sense. You hit Ludwick for Cozart, and if he reaches base you hit someone else in that spot. But at least give Ludwick a CHANCE to hit a double or home run before the game ends. Then if Ludwick reaches you’ve still got non-pitchers available, and any of them have at LEAST as much chance as Cozart. Price seems to be going out of his way to make it as hard as possible to score.

  93. I have to think the Reds lead the league in not having back to back walks. How many times have we seen a Reds hitter get walked on 4 or 5 pitches, and than the next hitter swings at the first pitch, and more often than not that first pitch would have been a ball if the hitter had not swung at the pitch.

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