Final R H E
  Cincinnati Reds  (54-54) 3 7 0
  Miami Marlins (53-55) 1 5 2 
 W: Cueto (12-6)     L: Koehler (7-8)     S: Chapman (24)
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Same old, same old. The Reds get great starting pitching and the Terrible Reds Offense is nearly unwatchable.

Johnny Cueto pitched well again. Cueto gave up a first-inning home run to Giancarlo Stanton on a high, inside fastball. Other than that, he shut down the Marlins on four hits and one walk over seven innings. Cueto struck out nine. Jonathan Broxton dramatically struck Stanton out in the eighth inning with two runners on base.

With the Reds chances of winning already at 93%, Aroldis Chapman was summoned to save the game. Chapman struck out Marcell Ozuna to end it and extend his all-time record of consecutive games with a strikeout for a reliever at 46 games.

The Terrible Reds Offense is the product of a team-wide slump plus playing a bunch of awful backup players. Jack Hannahan doesn’t look any closer to getting a major league hit than I do. The Reds are playing a leadoff hitter, Billy Hamilton, who has now gone 53 at bats without taking a walk and whose OBP is stands right at .300. Zack Cozart hasn’t had an RBI in 51 plate appearances, dating back to July 11. The Reds cleanup hitter, Ryan Ludwick, hasn’t hit a home run since July 10. Todd Frazier is hitting .191/.240/.255 since the All-Star game, not counting the 0-for-3 tonight and has one extra base hit in 54 plate appearances. Chris Heisey has a wRC+ of 26 since the AS game, not counting his 0-for-4 tonight.

The one inning this wasn’t the case, sort of but not really, was the eighth. Zack Cozart hit a pop-up over the second-baseman’s head that was dropped, scored an error. Devin Mesoraco lashed a legitimate pinch-hit single into left field. Billy Hamilton’s bunt was fumbled by the Marlin’s pitcher who wanted to throw to third base but dropped the ball. With bases loaded and no one out, Kris Negron struck out. Todd Frazier then lofted a weak fly ball out to shallow right field. And Zack Cozart was thrown easily out at home attempting to score.

Except Jeff Mathis, the Marlins catcher was blocking the plate as he waited and waited for Cozart to arrive. Bryan Price immediately appealed and after a 6-minute phone call to New York, Cozart was deemed safe based on Rule 7.13. Ryan Ludwick lined a single to center and all of a sudden, the Terrible Reds Offense had produced three improbable runs.

Chris Heisey made what might be the outfield defense play of the year in the fourth inning. Heisey sprinted full speed to deep right center field and made a diving catch to rob SS Adeiny Hechavarria of a certain triple and RBI. Billy Hamilton made a nice play in the first inning throwing Casey McGehee out at home plate.

The win breaks the Reds 9-game road losing streak.

87 Responses

  1. pinson343

    Wow, that had to be close to a record fast recap. As far as the Reds starting lineup goes, with Mesoraco out with Cueto pitching, and with Bruce on bereavement, it hit a new low. The only hitting threats were Frazier and Pena. Pena has been the Reds best hitter since the All Star break.

      • lwblogger2

        I call BS… He’s having a horrible year at the plate but even at that, he’s still a threat. Pitchers still don’t want to give him a cookie because he still just might run into one and hit it out.

      • chrislosolivos

        Agreed. Bruce in the lineup is always better than Bruce out of the lineup . . . even when he’s having a miserable year. Don’t discount a career for one very bad season (to date).

      • MrRed

        Oh his bat is missed. Breaking pitches down and away have been missing it all season.

      • Redsfan48

        Bruce has always been a threat. He’s just having a down year due to injury and added pressure. I fully expect him to rebound next year and hit .270/.340/.480 with 30 HRs and 100 RBI

      • Sparky

        I hate to agree, Bruce’s failure to adjust once again has produced an extended slump. They just throw the same pitches over and over again. When he does see the fastball over the plate he misses or fouls it off. I do look for a revamped Bruce coming off three days off. Of course it will only last a little while till the next slump.

      • Steve Mancuso

        List of major league players with 30 or more home runs in 2013, 2012, 2011:

        Miguel Cabrera
        Adrian Beltre
        Jay Bruce

        Yes, Bruce will fall well short of that target this year, but complaining about him as though he’s never been a good hitter, seems misplaced.

      • Sparky

        I guess I’m really just stating the “what have you done for me lately” point of view. I have always felt his numbers were a bit a skewed because of all the long O-Fers that he goes through. I’m still rooting for JB but he is slowly becoming Drew Stubbs to me. Grrrrrrrr…. I so hate that!

      • Redsfan48

        Thank you Steve, this is what I was trying to say. He will most likely rebound and have another good season next year even if this year was mostly a bust for him

  2. pinson343

    This was discussed at length on the game thread, but anyway. Technically Mathis did block Cozart’s path before he had the ball, but he had to do that to catch the ball, and then Cozart was out by a long way. So I was surprised at the overturn. The review took 6 minutes, indicating there’s a lot of confusion about how to interpret the rule.

    • ToddAlmighty

      Mathis could have ran a lap around home plate and STILL tagged out Cozart. Awful rule and awful call, regardless of what team you’re a fan of.

      • vared

        So you would have preferred Cozart lowering his shoulder and nailing the catcher as his only hope of scoring, risking serious injury for both of them? Good rule in my opinion – catcher just blew it.

      • ToddAlmighty

        I’d prefer Cozart to not take the soccer route of just playing to get the call. I personally don’t want the “Great American Pasttime” to be about flops and trying to get the call. I want it to be about playing hard and having fun. Not throwing up your hands because you’re thrown out by 10ft and not even try to get to home plate.

        Even if it wasn’t an awful rule. Even if Cozart wasn’t out by 10ft. Don’t you have to TRY for something before you can be blocked from it? It’s like complaining you didn’t get a job despite not applying for one. Or complaining you didn’t win the lottery despite not buying a ticket for it. You need to TRY for home in order to have it blocked from you. Cozart didn’t. He just threw up his hands and jogged off to the side because he knew he was out by a mile.

      • pinson343

        If Cozart lowers his shoulder and nails the catcher, he’s automatically out. And if the catcher is injured, Cozart is vilified. So I don’t understand the complaining about Cozart, he did not have a lane to slide, so he was just playing according to the rules. A Marlins tv broadcaster was screaming about his playing lawyer ball, but what else was he supposed to do.

        And Matthis could ask the same thing: what am I supposed to do, not catch the throw ?

      • Thegaffer

        Read the rule again, Cozart could have hit the catcher because he was blocking the plate. Its only illegal if he goes out of his way to hit him.

      • drew

        Why not let hitters carry thier bats and beat any defender standing in his way with it. I mean if we are going to allow physical altercation at a base might as well give the base runner a fair chance.

    • drew

      No he didnt. He set up blocking the plate and the ball came right to where he set up. Cozart saw where the catcher was and slowed down cause he had no where to go. This was as clear of a violation of the rule as I have seen. The catcher was in the wrong and the ruling was correct.

      • ToddAlmighty

        Between the fervent Jocketty defense all day seemingly just to be contrary to everyone else’s opinion, and now this, I am starting to think you might just be a troll.

      • drew

        I find it laughable how joe fan thinks he has a clue on what is involved in running a MLBaseball team and is so sure the person doing the job doesnt and they could do better. As fans we can be disappointed when our team doesnt do well…but some here actually think they know what is happening and how wrong those in charge are and how they could do better.

        Do I wish Walt made some moves…sure but he didn’t and I have no ability to even begin to know why because of what is all involved. So I say okay here are the players we have…and I watch and enjoy the games.

      • droomac

        Actually, Drew, when it comes to trades, there is quite a bit of information that lets even us fans to be able to make some judgments about general managers. First, we know which trades did happen and it is pretty easy to determine the nature of a market from these trades. Recent trades indicate that this was a tremendous sellers’ market. Second, we know the professional history of each general manager by simply examining their past actions. For example, we know from this that Walt is typically very hesitant to make a deadline deal.

        So, given this information, it is pretty safe to conclude that Walt was unable, even in a perhaps unprecedented sellers’ market, to manage to make a trade to improve the club in 2015 or beyond. As a long-time Walt apologist, I will now make my camp on the other side of the tracks.

      • Matt WI

        At Drew– Check out this link to a Billy Beane article from a few weeks back:

        As a GM, and therefore, the definition of someone “in the know”, here is a snippit of his opinion of the changing nature of the understanding of the game:

        Technology will create an equally drastic shift in front offices. Aspirants to the front office already are just one click away from decision makers, thanks to social media. It is not uncommon for a blogger’s analysis post to show up in a general manager’s Twitter feed—a level of proximity and access unheard of a decade ago. Many sports franchises are already hiring analysts based on their work in the public sphere; as social media become more targeted and efficient, the line between the “outsiders” and “insiders” will narrow . . . In sum, sport will no longer be the exclusive domain of “insiders,” and the business will be better for it.

      • drew

        Because he saw the marlins catcher position and knew there was no other option because if he turns around he is screwed. He did exactly what he was supposed to do given the rule and that was supported by the ruling.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        The umpires called it right, but it’s a terrible rule

      • Sparky

        Its an old argument….But as a Reds fan….What was Cozart even thinking trying to run on that? another STUPID base running error. When you score under 2 runs a game these are just suicide. That being said, Stupid rule, but it was the correct call in NY. Safe. Embarrassingly safe..

      • Giant E

        Sparky – There is someone called a third base coach – not to go into too much detail – ours sucks – I’m thinking he must be the owners nephew – he supposed to look at scouting reports and should have some idea about how deep the ball needs to be to send a runner based on their speed AND the situation. Cozart did not make the decision to go.

      • Sparky

        That was really meant to be for “Whoever” made the decision to run. Cozy or Smitty. Either way it was just horrible! LOL!

    • lwblogger2

      The rule is terrible. Just brutally awful. It is a rule to protect catchers and as a guy who caught a lot of games (ages 6 to 31) I appreciate what the rule is trying to do. As written, it is just a mess. Maybe it shouldn’t reviewable but something the umpire needs to call right then and there? I don’t know how to fix it but it needs to be fixed or removed.

  3. SPRO

    “Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 7.13 if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in order to field a throw, and the umpire determines that the catcher could not have fielded the ball without blocking the pathway of the runner and that contact with the runner was unavoidable.”
    I’m guessing this is what Redmond was so pissed about.

    • arizonareds

      So if Mathis would have paid attention and sttod 18 inches closer to the mound he would not have been able to catch that ball? Incorrect analysis.

      • Sparky

        The catcher played it the way he has his whole baseball life, unfortunately that is no longer legal. He has to move forward about 18 inches and then sweep the tag. Thats what the rule is there for. To take the catcher out of the path of the imposing runner.

  4. ToddAlmighty

    The secret’s out.. we now know how to fix the Reds’ offense. Give them 5 outs an inning and the worst rule/call in the world and they’ll be UNSTOPPABLE!

    • drew

      Exactly how is it the worse rule? If its okay to block home the all other bases should be able to be blocked. First basemen should become walls and force the hitter to plow them over to get to the base. Blocking home was always an absurd and dangerous rule.

      • ToddAlmighty

        Having fun finding all my posts in all the threads today, taking a 180 on whatever opinion I voice, and running with it regardless of how ridiculous you sound?

      • drew

        Sorry but in my opinion your wrong. When it comes to your view on trades your views are not based on anything but your gut feeling. As for the play at home its just wrong. Blocking the plate is absurd and extremely dangerous. The Marlins catcher knows the new rule and was in violation. It was clear as day and the right decision was made by the official in NYC.

  5. redsfan06

    Ludwick collects 2 RBI’s, providing the winning margin. Bet all those other GM’s are kicking themselves in the butt for not trading for him at the deadline now.

  6. vared

    Nice effort by the Marlins manager in protest to the replay decision. I really miss those fun umpire/manager “discussions” that replay essentially took away.

    • pinson343

      Yeh that was as pissed off as I’ve seen anyone at the umps since the Brett pine tar home run. The home plate ump nullified the Brett HR due to the pine tar technicality. The Royals protested the game and won when Lee McPhail ruled “that Brett had not violated the spirit of the rules.” Here again we have a technicality. I didn’t hear that the Marlins had protested the game. They wouldn’t win of course but it could lead to further re-thinking of that rule.

      Earlier this season the Reds scored a run when Russell Martin was ruled to have blocked the plate on a force out (!), leading to a change in the rule.

      • SPRO

        Ausmus had a pretty good blowup last week when they reviewed a play that they shouldn’t have. This one tops it, love how Redmond threw the hat off right away.

  7. Thegaffer

    As many said at the time, todd should not have done the HR derby. He was so on before that.

    • zippy

      His main problem has been lunging at pitches off the plate. His gift sac fly tonight was a ball low and away. That’s always been his main problem. I think the issue isn’t the HR derby, but the fact that the team isn’t scoring and he’s decided to take it upon himself to try to hit everything he can possibly make contact with. If he’d just stand there and take a few pitches he’d start getting better ones to hit and he’d magically become a better a hitter again.

  8. zippy

    If the first baseman doesn’t give the runner any chance to tag first base, there’s no “but I was getting in position to catch the ball” argument. It’s entirely possible to catch a ball on the runner’s side of the base/plate without blocking the whole base/plate. All he has to do is stand six inches in front of the plate and there’s no problem for either him or the runner. It may be a dumb rule (though I don’t actually think it is), but it was appropriately applied in this instance.

  9. TallyRed

    Longtime lurker, first time poster. Love the sight. Mathis’ problem is that he shifted into Cozart’s path to field the ball. He could have taken two steps left, caught the ball and stood there waiting for Cozart. Easy play. He just made a minor mistake. I think NY saw it that way and figured an out there would open up interpretation. It’s like a QB getting pushed down after he throws. Dumb rule but you have to take a hard line. Also had Marlins broadcast on. They didn’t like the rule and couldn’t interpret it without saying it’s dumb. A rule is a rule. Reds have benefitted and not benefitted from it.

    • lwblogger2

      Some good points. The call, as the rule is written, was the correct call. What I’ll take a little bit of issue with is the assumption that a catcher knows exactly where he is when he catches a ball. It looked to me (on the replay as I didn’t see the play as it happened) that Mathis took that step into Cozart’s path more to make catching the ball easier. That’s just my interpretation… Welcome to RLN. Good site. Good people.

      • Sparky

        Welcome as well. I’ve been saying this. Looks to me like he just played that ball the way he has played since little league. Not easy to teach something new that has really become instinct to most catchers. Tough break.

  10. sergeant2

    Before Cozart was even halfway to the plate he realized he screwed up, that’s why he was running at Corky Miller speed. Technically rule wise the call may have been right, but common sense wise, and being fair wise the call was beyond atrocious.

    • Eric L

      Did you see whose decision it was to have Cozart go? I didn’t but I feel like this is just another instance of Steve Smith’s terrible job as the 3rd base coach this season. Don’t understand why he’s still with the team #wemissBerry

      • Sparky

        I’m sure Mr. Smith is a good baseball guy. But he has had a horrible season coaching 3rd. I don’t recall seeing a guy waving more runners home that are out by that far ever.

  11. Grand Salami

    I love the sans Schu grit tonight from the Reds.

    Chappy doing a couple waist bends and warm up pitches to coax his K as the final out was fun too.

  12. Jim McCullough

    Point 1 – With so many backups playing, the regulars are pressing.

    Point 2 – Bryan Price needs to stop channeling Dusty Baker with all the sac bunting. The weaker the offense, the great the need to not give away outs.

  13. Jake

    That play won us the game, anyway you look at it. If it had been a force out, we probably would’ve lost given how the Reds were swinging the bats. You could give them one of those giant red childrens plastic baseball bats and they’d find a way to whiff. I still have faith this team will turn it around and get some wins, but realistically I’m not expecting much

  14. Kyle Farmer

    Seems like I usually am of the minority opinion around here, but I like the blocking the plate rule and thought the Marlins catcher was in clear violation of it. The media seems to make it way more complicated than it really is. In reality it’s simple, if you don’t have the ball then don’t be in the path to the plate. Easy.

    • vegastypo

      I’m sure that old habits die hard, and the catcher probably thought he was fine because by the time Cozart got there, he had the ball waiting for him. I wonder if Mathis even realized that when he shifted over to make the catch, that he had moved more directly into the baseline. … If this rule change is still an issue in August, I shudder to think whether it will rear its ugly head in the postseason.

      • lwblogger2

        You pretty much sum up a lot of my feelings on it. It isn’t an excuse and the rule is the rule. It’s just so poorly written. I think for starters, it shouldn’t be a reviewable. The umpire needs to make a snap judgement and he should get the ruling right way more often than he gets it wrong. It seems like the opposite with this rule. Seems like they are getting it wrong on the field more than right on the field. If that’s the case then the rule needs to be redone or revoked.

    • zippy

      Exactly. And people who keep saying this was a violation of the “spirit of the rule” are wrong. The spirit of the rule is to avoid collisions at home plate to the extent possible. Period. Those collisions often occur when a runner would otherwise be out by a mile, so that part of the equation is irrelevant. Baseball is full of rules that give “gifts” to players who don’t “deserve” what they get (the dropped third strike, catcher’s interference, a line drive that happens to hit a runner, the infield fly rule that protects the team that hit an pop-up, balks caused by the pitcher slipping on a wet mound, a strikeout on a ball bunted foul, the ground rule double that prevents a runner from scoring even when he would easily have made it, etc.). I don’t know why this particular “unfair” rule should cause such a fuss just because we aren’t used to it yet. At least this one has a humane reason behind it, unlike, say, the bunted third strike that gifts the pitcher a strikeout or the pop-up that can’t be turned into a double play because it doesn’t seem gentlemanly.

    • al

      Kyle, I’m with you. I think this is just a bunch of sore losering by the Marlins and their notorious hothead of a manager.

      In an interview after the game Redmond was quoted as saying “I would love for somebody [from New York] to come down here and explain to my guys how exactly to block the plate.”

      You’re not supposed to block the plate you idiot! That’s the whole point of the rule!

      Cozart did exactly what he was supposed to do under the new rule. He was going to be out by a few steps, the plate was blocked so he couldn’t slide, and before this year, guess what he would have done? He would have leveled Jeff Mathis. Maybe Mathis is fine and holds the ball and gets the out. Or maybe Cozart would have caught him weird, broken his leg, ended his career and still scored!

      None of the Marlins whiners seem to be saying, “thanks Cozart, that was a stand up move you made for not potentially injuring our catcher to score a run.”

      And the most ironic thing? Brayan Pena did it exactly right on almost the same play in the same game.

      • Kyle Farmer

        Actually, you can block the plate within the rule. The only thing is that the catcher must be in possession of the ball in order to do so. Blocking the plate without the ball, which this catcher was doing for the entirety of the play in question, is illegal.

        The textbook example of how to do it was Brayan Pena in the first inning. He’s in fair territory waiting for the ball and allowing a clear path to the plate for the runner. Once he receives the ball he takes a full step in front of the plate and drops to a knee to successfully block the plate.

        Mathis makes the move to block the plate LONG before he gets the ball.

      • al

        Yeah, I assume Redmond was asking for help on how to block the plate before you have the ball, since you are allowed to block it with the ball.

      • zippy

        Yes, okay, if the catcher catches the ball when he’s not blocking the plate and then moves to block the plate with the ball in hand, that’s legal. But the “spirit of the rule” has nothing to do with whether the runner would likely have been out or safe. The purpose of the rule, I’m pretty sure, is to avoid situations where the catcher sets up to block the plate and then gets blindsided while he’s watching the ball coming in. Since they can’t tell the runners to avoid running to the plate, they’ve told the catchers to avoid blocking it. But how far away the runner is when the ball arrives is basically irrelevant to this rule.

      • Matt WI

        I simply don’t understand that if this isn’t an issue for the other three bases on the diamond, why it’s hard to figure this one out.

      • al

        It’s a couple of things I think.

        A) Obviously first is force out.

        B) third basemen (and more rarely second basemen) do block the base with their legs when a runner is coming in, and this works sometimes. But runners still always slide into it because they can’t do one of the acrobat slides around the leg, where they just barely touch the base, because then they’d be tagged out immediately.

        At home, once the runs scores, it doesn’t matter where the runner is, so just blocking the plate with your leg isn’t enough. Catchers have to block the whole line.

        C) Catchers have a bunch of protective gear on, so people got used to the idea that they could be run into.

        I think home plate is unique mostly because of B, and I think that the new rule is basically the right way to go. It’s just that veterans haven’t broken their habits, and if a call is overturned it’s a run, and that’s a big deal.

  15. Andy

    This team is miserable. Even with the win. As the Reds “Terrible Offense” continues to suck, I find myself wondering what other options there might be. Maybe in AAA? AA? A? There has to be SOMEONE that has some sense of life, urgency and discipline at the plate. Can’t we all agree that this slump the entire team is in, is in fact this teams true colors showing through? Half of this roster should be in the minor leagues. That includes Heisey and Cozart. Despite their slumps, the only 3 people that seem to have an idea is Hamilton, Frazier and especially Mesoraco. I beg the front office and management to make a change. I don’t care what it is. Just do something! Call up prospects, call up anybody that is hitting moderately, because this team isn’t at all. Watching this same group of awful hitters ran out there every night, having 2-3 pitch at bats to eventually pop out to the 3B in foul territory is infuriating. If I could, I would lend my services to the team.

    • al

      A) no, you’re wrong that this stretch is the team’s true colors. The Reds offense isn’t great but there are a bunch of guys putting up sub .600 OPSs that are legit hitters in the league. That’s called a slump.

      B) there are no prospects to call up.

    • Kyle Farmer

      The “other options” are all-stars Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, and Brandon Phillips. Add them to this team and it’s a really good ball club. Mid market teams cannot over come injuries like the ones that have bitten the Reds this year. Period.

      • Andy

        Those options don’t matter. They aren’t available. I’m talking about right now. This team is pathetic. And Jay Bruce, really, don’t make me laugh. He’s been about as useful as Zach Cozart.

        Al, give me a break. This team hasn’t won a playoff series in forever. So to say it’s not there true colors is you being blind. They like to go to the dance, but forget the moves when they get there. This year, they’re not even going to go.

        All I really want to see is someone who actually has some discipline and at the plate.

      • al

        So you put a 97 win team that loses in the 5th game of the division series in the same boat as this team? Got it, that clears things up about your perspective.

      • al

        And I just posted a much more thoughtful post about plate discipline below, so thanks for calling me dumb for no reason.

      • lwblogger2

        @Al – Yes, a very thoughtful and well put post in response to mine.
        @Andy – There are a ton of really bright posters here. Calling Al and “the rest of ’em” dumb isn’t a good way to help lend credibility to your thoughts, ideas, and posts. Just a suggestion.

  16. al

    The reason last night’s game was so brutal to watch was that here are the number of pitches each Red saw in the first through seventh innings:

    2, 2, 6, 2, 1, 2, 5, 2, 4, 2, 4, 3, 1, 4, 5, 3, 3, 1, 6, 4, 5, 5, 3, 2, 3

    That’s a total of 80, and an average of 3.2 pitches per batter.

    10 Reds batters in the first 7 innings saw only 1 or 2 pitches in their ABs, and guess how many of them got hits. Zero. Not a single one of the hyper-aggressive Reds that was swinging at everything got an actual hit.

    So see some freaking pitches already! It’s one thing if going up there hacking is working, but at this point, maybe take a few. You know what pitches get hit out of the park? Mistakes. Give the pitcher a chance to make one. If he throws a decent fastball first pitch, just take it. Foul a few off, make him work. Even take a walk for Pete’s sake!

    That’s how you get better pitches to hit, and thus hits.

    • lwblogger2

      Mostly agree with you, unless you get exactly what you’re looking for on that first pitch. If you get what you’re looking for, take a swing.

      You don’t see hitters shorten up anymore and foul off pitches w/ two strikes to stay alive. It happens every now and again but it’s the exception to the rule. It’s sad. The long-ball rules the day. I think hitters are going to need to go back to some of the older approaches and extend ABs when they have 2 strikes. Batting averages and OBP are steadily dropping and strikeouts continue to go up.

      • lwblogger2

        It’s sad. The MLB average OBP is .315. In the NL, the average is .312. NL Average OPS is .696.

      • al

        I would just point to all of the outs and say maybe the Reds need to be more selective about getting what they’re looking for. If you are really getting exactly what you’re looking for, you shouldn’t be making outs every time.

        Also, I don’t think this is about home runs changing the game. Often, the guys that see the most pitches in an AB are the best power hitters. And that’s not a coincidence, because like I said, you have to give the pitcher time to make a mistake. You have to wait for “your pitch,” which is sad to say about big leaguers, because that’s what we tell kids in little league.

        For example, of the top 20 batters in MLB this year in terms of pitches per plate appearance, the average total bases is 152 (number one is Mike Trout, who is second in TB).

        152 TB would be better than all but two Reds right now. So seeing more pitches leads to better hitting AND better hitting for power.

      • lwblogger2

        Definitely won’t argue that in general, seeing pitches and making a pitcher works isn’t a good thing. I also think the Reds could stand to be much better at it.

        My point about the power changing the game was more about strikeouts and not shortening up with 2 strikes to fight off close pitches. Another thing to note is pitchers often don’t go right after power hitters so many of them tend to also draw a lot of walks because pitchers aren’t going to challenge them like they do a lighter hitter who is much less likely to take them yard. So yes, power hitters in general are going to see more pitches.

        I agree with your point that the Reds need to be more selective and patient at the plate. It’s hard to do when your slumping as hitters tend to want to swing their way out of it. I used to tell myself I was going to take a couple pitches and then next thing you know I’d be walking back to the dugout after swinging 0-1 or 1-0 and grounding to the SS or hitting a lazy fly to LF.

      • al

        I agree, it’s crazy how bad some hitters are at having a 2 strike approach. I remember seeing Manny Ramirez in his prime routinely foul off 5 or 6 pitches, and then go yard on a mistake.

        Hitting homer uns doesn’t mean that you have to take a HR swing on every pitch.

    • Sparky

      I feel your frustration. Its just hard to watch, and you know someone is telling them to work the pitch count a bit. A couple guys have horrible strike recognitions…..OK, most of em do. LOL!