The Reds and Pirates conclude their series with today’s rubber match at GABP. The first two games have been exciting and I expect nothing short of that in today’s finale. Both teams are looking for a win and the series in order to stick right with the Brewers and Cardinals who are now tied atop the division.

Today’s game concludes the first half of the regular season. We will all get to relax for a few days and enjoy the Homerun Derby, the All-Star game, and a day off. Let’s hope the Reds have some momentum heading into those 3 “off” days.

Discuss the game here Reds fans. Go Reds!

Lineup:
1. Hamilton CF
2. Cozart SS
3. Frazier 3B
4. Heisey LF
5. Bruce RF
6. Mesoraco C
7. Pena 1B
8. Negron 2B
9. Cueto P

A simple Reds fan from a simple town. I have been a Reds fan all my life. The 1990 team was crowned Champions during my prime youth years and I grew up idolizing Chris Sabo all the way down to the flat top hair style and the #17. I have passed that love of the Reds down to my three boys who love the game and the Reds just as much as I do! Follow me on twitter @CoachWilson17

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  1. It can be 3 feet outside and Chris is going to try and pull it. Pathetic. You would think he is smarter then that.

  2. team is abysmal with bases loaded

  3. Johnny B do not get in the hurry up mode, that just leads to loss of command

  4. That is going to come back to bite. The only plus is that we are going to be in to the Pirates already tired bullpen next inning most likely.

  5. Well that’s another opportunity squandered. I don’t think they would have let Liriano pitch to Bruce, but there’s just no reason to have Heisey hitting in that spot of the order.

  6. Too many opportunities wasted…..

  7. Twice the bases have been loaded and we’ve come up empty. Hope this doesn’t come back to bite us

  8. Frazier had him 2-0 and swung at a pitch in the dirt … and for the record, would have liked to see Mes there instead of Heisey. Doggone lineup hijinks.

    • Yes and he swung at ball 5 or ball 6 for strike 3.

      Reds hitters have to learn when they have the count advantage, they are not obligated to swing at borderline pitches or even “pitchers'” pitches in the strike zone. That was the story of this AB

  9. Reds need to go back to school to learn situational baseball. How many times are we going to have bases loaded 1 out and get absolutely NOTHING out of it?

  10. Getting nothing there is going to haunt later on.

  11. I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

  12. Cueto is losing command, sigh

  13. downhill in a hurry

  14. Not sure again why Price doesn’t have Mesoraco hitting 4th. Of all people, why Heisey hitting 4th. He did hit a home run yesterday, but is not consistent and strikes out too much.

    • Because Bryan Price doesn’t know what he’s doing.

      • He’s using previous batter-pitcher matchups, which many other managers do, too. That may not be the best way to go, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Your constant statements like that about Price are pretty unsupported.

        • That being said, lineup construction is still not a strength.

        • Most other managers would be batting Mesoraco 4th. All I see with Price is questionable decisions on a daily basis.

        • I know that’s all you see. That’s certainly all you say.

        • Intentionally having an inferior hitter 4th with superior hitters 5th and 6th is compelling evidence that a manager doesn’t know what he’s doing. The fact that some veteran managers (like, say, Dusty Baker) might also make the same mistake is completely irrelevant. The standard for “knowing what he’s doing” shouldn’t be “makes the same mistakes other dumb managers make.”

        • Price was willing to bat Votto and Bruce back to back. He moved Votto to second. He moved Frazier to second. He’s been a big improvement over Baker in lineup construction. He’s insisted on batting Hamilton first, which I would think some of you would like. That’s not to say I like everything he does with the lineup. But your criticism of him borders on hysteria.

        • I have a feeling that Price knows about a hundred times more than you guys do about setting the Reds lineup. Again, it’s one thing to disagree with a specific thing that he’s doing (he obviously doesn’t think Heisey is inferior to Mesoraco against Liriano) and another thing to say he “doesn’t know what he’s doing.” That kind of hyperbole doesn’t really add too much to the dialogue.

        • Hey Zip, long time no see.

          Even as a rookie he is far, far better then Dusty was. Hopefully this will be last time we see CH hit in the clean-up spot.

        • Thank you. This made me laugh out loud.

        • Price is an improvement over Baker, that’s for sure. But asking a guy who isn’t good enough to be an everyday starter to hit cleanup, ahead of a former all-star and a current all-star — there’s just no way to defend it. Period. My mechanic knows a lot more about cars than I do, but if he forgets to tighten the lug nuts when he changes a tire, do I not have a right to say “that’s a very stupid and dangerous mistake”? Other mechanics have done exactly the same thing and they all know much more about cars than I do, but that doesn’t make the mistake any less stupid or dangerous.

          • I’d have Mesoraco bat fourth and not Heisey. Price is doing it that way based on Heisey’s past record against Liriano, which is strong, although just based on eight at bats. I disagree with Price using match-up data like that for lineups. But managers do it all the time. Batting someone fourth instead of sixth isn’t the same thing as not tightening a lug nut. I wasn’t disagreeing with the claim about Heisey. It’s just for some people anytime they disagree with one of countless decisions a manager makes they feel like they have to say the manager is stupid or doesn’t know anything. Price is incredibly smart. If you’ve ever listened to him objectively, you’d know that.

        • Prior to today’s game, Heisey had 30 plate appearances at the #4 spot. His OPS was .556 and he had 2 RBI. His numbers are significantly better hitting 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th (and 9th, but obviously that’s mostly as a pinch hitter). Was none of that relevant to today’s game? Because if it isn’t relevant today, then it shouldn’t be relevant in any other game, and Heisey might as well hit cleanup any time we’re facing a pitcher he’s had any success against.

          • You’ve read what I wrote, right? I agree with you about Heisey and Mesoraco. Looking at how Heisey has done in the various batting spots isn’t relevant. It doesn’t matter. Plus they’re small samples. The reason Mesoraco should bat ahead of Heisey is that he’s simply a better hitter. He’s having an MVP season. He should be hitting third or fourth every game. Price is using hitter-pitcher history and that’s been proven to be meaningless for sample size reasons.

        • Probably every major league umpire get 99% of the calls right, but we still manage to distinguish good ones from bad ones. The difference between a good ump and a bad ump is how many of the CLOSE plays they get right. I’d apply the same argument to managers. 99% of their decisions are pretty obvious and almost everyone would do more or less the same thing, so I’m not impressed at all by the fact that most of Price’s decisions seem pretty reasonable. The problem is that every time a decision isn’t so obvious, such as lineup construction, he seems to make at least one glaring mistake every single day. Just because a mechanic can consistently get four matching tires onto the car and consistently tighten most of the lug nuts won’t impress me. If he leaves one or two loose nuts every time he changes a tire, at some point I’m going to have to question if he’s really able to handle the job.

          • I get what you’re saying. I’ve been critical of his lineup decisions. I don’t think in the end they are a very important part of a manager’s job. Managing the players – communicating, messaging, attitude – off the field, are far more important than individual lineup decisions. We just can’t see that part of the manager’s job, so it’s hard to evaluate.

        • Zippy

          One word: gestalt

          Skipper Price makes his share of errors but they appear to be outweighed by what he does well. If he is willing to grow in the job, he could be one of the better ones. If the Reds manage to make the playoffs, he probably is one of the favorites for Manager of the Year. Not bad for a rookie.

          Love that Sam loves soft rock, who would have figured that?

        • My last comment for now: If Votto and BP were able to play today, Heisey would almost certainly be hitting 7th regardless of his past success against today’s starting pitcher. So it turns out that even Price doesn’t agree with his own theory under normal circumstances.

  15. Who would rather have Ian Darke (world cup soccer announcer) over Thom?

  16. Cueto running the bases twice today has not helped him.

    • Totally agree….I hate the DH, but Cueto is one of the reasons why it’s there

  17. screw around long enough and guess who gets to bat????

  18. Thank goodness. Rain.

  19. Cueto was out on the bases a long time. Bound to take a toll. And to get nothing out of it is inexcusable.

    • Probably Frazier’s worst AB all season given the situation. Just brutal. Heisey gave us what we should expect. CH just melts in those high leverage circumstances – doesn’t even give himself a chance. Boy oh boy.

  20. rain rain rain…. any one know forecast for next few hours? all day thing or just passing rain?

    why is heisy hitting 4th? just joined so what’s going on. why is Mes hitting 6th? did Price have a bad dream again?

  21. That long ridiculous inning that led to nothing may result in a wash out of this game… there is a chance it can’t be resumed.

  22. Rain delay just in time to catch the World Cup final. Then start up in 2 hours.

    • That’s a bit drastic, I’ll stick to listening to the rain delay chit chat

  23. The Cards @ Brewers game is on TBS for anyone who might want to take a look-see at that game.

  24. Rain delay. What a perfect time to buy that Redleg Nation t-shirt.

    http://redlegnation.com/2014/07/08/redleg-nation-stencil-t-shirts/

  25. This poses a real dilemma for Price if they decide they can’t bring Cueto back out after the rain.

    I think I would treat it as a high leverage situation and bring in Jumbo then go to y middle med in the 6th.

    • This is the key point. Not the one Thom keeps blabbing about getting the game in. It’s about whether Cueto has to be finished for the day and the result of relying on the bullpen the rest of the day.

    • why does the keyboard not type the letters I think??? πŸ™‚

      Try it this way:

      I think I would treat it as a high leverage situation and bring in Jumbo then go to my middle men in the 6th.

    • Lefty up – how about Parra?? Carlos has looked good in long relief.

      • They need 2 outs and really really don’t want to pitch to Cutch in this inning. If they get to him, it is going to be with the bases loaded or scoring damage already done or both in a worst case scenario..

        • I say take one out at a time. Polanco is up first, after that is a couple of strong RHs. Hate to use Jumbo this early unless they let him stay in for another inning. Please no JJ or Ondru though.

      • Parra would also turn around Walker. Probably as good as or better choice than Diaz.

        Just don’t give me LeCure or Ondro especially of they have to face Cutch.

  26. I wasn’t able to respond at the time, but I wanted to reply to the person that said the Reds could not hit with bases loaded. They are currently 5th in OBP, 3rd in batting average, and 1st in slugging in MLB with the bases loaded.

  27. that might be true, hasn’t done anything to help them twice in this game or during last nights affair.

    • AHH yes, the have you done lately, approach

    • That may be true, but just because they didn’t this time doesn’t mean they can’t. Even the best team in baseball is going to fail more than 6 out of 10 times there.

      • blog for today’s game, i did not say they couldn’t hit for the whole season. not dogging on the Reds, just expressing frustration for todays game.

    • There you have the RISP argument in a smaller nutshell. It’s not a repeatable skill. Reds have been lucky at it so far this year while in other RISP situations less so etc. etc. etc.

      • yes i do know a little about baseball, wish i could just delete the comment now.

        • I’m not being derogatory or anything, just we were talking about it last night or perhaps the night before and this is another concrete example of it. Also people are piling on to your comment because it’s a rain delay and not much else is going on. No worries, should have some more baseball soon.

        • A learning moment, very good. πŸ™‚

        • cool. glad i could help lol. wish it would rain here.

        • Me too. It’s dry dry dry here.

  28. Tarp coming off.

  29. Cards score once. Now 2-1 brewers

  30. 4-1 Brewers

  31. Hello Johnny!

  32. Replay.

  33. Barely. Strong throw by BHam. I want that Harrison kid on our side.

  34. Stay away, away, away.

  35. big strikeout there

  36. HUGE strikeout. Nice recovery, Johnny.

  37. Huge

  38. Need runs, 3 isn’t going to do it today.

  39. What on earth was that strike call?

  40. This entire ump crew has been terrible the whole series calling strikes.

    • I just feel bad for Jay because if the ump calls those “strikes” it destroys his ability to have a good at bat. He -has- to swing at anything close down there after a call like that so he ends up looking awful when he K’s on it. Luckily the next two pitches weren’t even close so it didn’t matter.

  41. Now would be a good time to put one in the bleacher seats!

  42. Devin needs to put on an elbow pad and lean in a little more.

  43. Mez! Another monster at bat.

  44. Mes barely missed it there. Nice to get the run right back.

  45. Nice job Mes !!!

  46. DevinMVP

  47. MesVP, MesVP, MesVP, MesVP, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. That’s what a #6 hitter does.

  49. Reds are beating the heck out of the Left Field wall today.

  50. Nice job by Jay to get around from first too.

  51. Polanco has a cannon. Stronger than Bruce, even.

  52. Mes runs like a run away Locomotive

  53. 1 out, on a 2-1 count, no one out!!!

  54. Dumb call , just dumb – this strategy from this manager never ceases to amaze – geeze

  55. Well.. that’s out #21 at the plate this year.

  56. 21 times Reds have been thrown out at plate. Most in MLB by far

  57. Wow…That was bad.

  58. it’s stuff like that makes me want to dial back on this “aggressiveness” push. the guy can hit fly balls, you know??? why do that??

    • Two outs I can see. 1 out, not as much but P on deck. So maybe not as bad as first blush.

    • Just because it didn’t work doesn’t mean it was a bad idea.

    • I don’t hate the call. They had the Pirates dead to rights on it – They weren’t ready for it at all. Just really bad luck on the pitch going in the dirt and Martin managing to squeeze it.

      • Martin has had some unbelievably luck snags this series. I doubt he even saw the bounce into his glove last night on that play at the plate. Oh well, them’s the breaks.

      • The guys can’t throw strikes and is wild, so it would seem risky to think you would get a pitch good enough to bunt on a squeeze, but hindsight is always easy.

  59. Ughhhhhhhh

  60. Well before that squeeze play…I don’t understand why Pittsburgh even bothered to pitch to Negron with Cueto up.

  61. Don’t run anymore today, Johnny

  62. Hurray, more free outs at home!

    • They were going to pitch around Negron to get to Cueto. That being said, the RP was all over the place and it was a risky play.

  63. This guy couldn’t find the plate with a compass and we waste an out

  64. I wonder what the record is for outs at home in a season.

  65. Johnny’s had a nice game at the plate today.

  66. Too many things need to go right for the squeeze to work no matter who the manager is.
    High risk, unclear results.

    • Rookie at the plate, Cueto on deck, guy on the mound throwing wild stuff. Would have been hard for Negron to get a solid swing on anything and then you risk a DP from Cueto or at least having to try and score Mes with 2 outs. Totally caught the Pirates by surprise. The more I think about it the more I like the call.

  67. It just wouldn’t be a Reds game without an ignorant out at the plate.

    • Can everyone (especially you) please stop throwing around the word “ignorant”? First of all, there was nothing ignorant about that play. It was an aggressive call and it didn’t work. Second, everyone involved in making that call and executing the play has forgotten more about baseball than you or anyone here will ever know so it’s not even the right word to use.

    • It wasn’t ignorant, it just didn’t work….good grief.

  68. Steve… Any stats on the squeeze?

  69. I don’t mind the squeeze call there with one out. And the pitcher on deck. It’s just bad luck that the pitch was do bad that negron couldn’t get the bag on it.

  70. Anybody up in the bullpen?

  71. Sheesh…

  72. Pull him. 3 pitches, 1 run, 1 baserunner.

  73. Good grief.

  74. Well, just pathetic –

  75. Batter who homered earlier in the game, slow runner at third, pitcher who’s been consistently wild… I guess Price figured it was a good time to squeeze because NOBODY would expect such a strange decision.

  76. Come on. You can’t let Walker beat you like that. Keep hard and inside. And of course, Cozart airmails it on the next play with Martin (of all people) running. You got to wonder where their heads are at today.

  77. Reds doing everything they can to give this game away.

  78. Starting to get ugly. I hope Cueto gets out of this inning and the Reds can put up some more runs. This game is far from done.

  79. Thank you Martin! Can’t believe that snail tried to steal third.

  80. thanks for the TOOTBLAN, Martin.

  81. Finally a break!

  82. Stupid Martin. _ thanks for the TOOTBLAN

  83. So I guess we aren’t the only ones that do it.

  84. TOOTBLAN by Martin. Where the heck was he going?

  85. “Holy Moses, do you say ‘thank you Russel Martin.'” Thom nailed that one.

  86. Every time the reds fail to cash in on golden scoring opportunities , it bites them in the rear – never fails , never

  87. Have to think this would be a perfect day for two innings of Chapman. He didn’t pitch yesterday. All Star break tomorrow. Broxton pitched yesterday. If they can get the lead to the eighth inning, that’s what I’d do.

  88. No reason to leave Cueto in here. Pitcher spot not due for nine batters, power lefty at the plate.

  89. I kind of like having Pena out there at 1B when Cueto is pitching. Still get Mes’ bat in the lineup and you get Pena out there to help keep Cueto’s head on straight.

  90. Don’t sleep on Mercer. He can hit a little.

  91. Staring to feel we are headed for a 8-7 finish.

  92. Ain’t gonna be satisfied until they give up the lead

  93. Two E6s in one inning. Very atypical.

  94. What is going on with Cozart? Two errors in one inning? This game is giving me an ulcer.

  95. Wow! What is going on with Cozart?

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A simple Reds fan from a simple town. I have been a Reds fan all my life. The 1990 team was crowned Champions during my prime youth years and I grew up idolizing Chris Sabo all the way down to the flat top hair style and the #17. I have passed that love of the Reds down to my three boys who love the game and the Reds just as much as I do! Follow me on twitter @CoachWilson17

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