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Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.09.02)

Fire up the grill, eat a hot dog or hamburger, enjoy the weather, and spend time with your family on this holiday weekend.  And while you’re doing so, turn on the tv or radio and enjoy the Reds kicking the tar out of the Cardinals on this Labor Day.

It’s a big series and a big week for the Reds.  This could really be a make or break week when it is all said and done.  Discuss the game here if you’re around the computer.  I honestly hope you’re spending the day doing something other than posting on here.  Shhh, don’t tell Chad I said that!

Go Reds!

225 thoughts on “Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.09.02)

  1. Bruce!!!

    Need to keep the pressure because you know the Cards came to play.

  2. Where has this approach at the plate been all season? These guys are fouling off pitches, not swinging at stuff outside the zone, etc. In other words, plate discipline and patience, driving up the opposing pitcher’s count and putting runs on the board.

    Where has this been all year?

    • @ToledoRedsFan: It’s a characteristic of this team. They don’t take every game seriously, and within each game they take certain innings more seriously than others. If the Cardinals hadn’t scored, my guess is we’d have seen very impatient hitting.

  3. Is there any way the Reds can trick the Cardinals into pitching Wainwright more often?

  4. We need to tack some on. I really don’t want to see Chapman pitching in a save situation today.

    • @Hunt4RedsOctober: I hope it’s the start of a hot streak that runs all the way through October. Prove me wrong JV. I will gladly eat all the crow you want.

  5. I think I have a sense of who will NOT face the Reds in a one game series.

  6. Trivia for those not watching: Who was the last Red to win Player of the Month in September?

  7. steveschoen
    9/2/2013 at 1:39 pm (Quote) · Reply
    @pinson343: Makes no difference to Bakerman, he’s still not going to use Hamilton, at least in any significant situations.

    When you say “Bakerman” (or Joke-ity or whatever) it’s impossible to take you seriously. How old are you, 12?

  8. 5 seconds before JV homered, thought I’m definitely like Pete (as truly believe he never bet AGAINST the Reds). But he did lay off certain Reds pitchers.

    Well, definitely not AGAINST Votto – just severely disappointed in his production.

    And btw, are the Cards just as severely disappointed in Matt Holiday? His WAR has dropped from 3.8 (2012) to 0.9 (2013).

    And he’s 33.

  9. Marty saying there’s a strong chance Cingrani pitches Thursday instead of Reynolds.

    • @vegastypo: I think he will pitch but I also think that the Reds will list Reynolds as long as possible so that the Cards have to prepare for him too. Maybe that gives Cingrani a slight edge if they are expecting Reynolds but get Cingrani at the last minute.

  10. Reds player since September 1999, when left-hander Denny Neagle and outfielder Greg Vaughn swept Pitcher of the Month and Player of the Month awards, respectively.

  11. Remember Greg Vaughn?

    If JV could be like Greg this month the Reds may end up smelling like a ROSE.

  12. Welsh thinks the pickup of Axford was a good move “from a baseball standpoint.” Does not mention the standpoints from which it’s not a good move.

      • @Hunt4RedsOctober: Nope. Axford has a good jump shot so from a basketball standpoint it’s a solid pickup. However, from a women’s figure skating standpoint I think they made a HUGE mistake.

        • @tpteach: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Put Axford in a tiny skirt and he can skate like nobody’s business. But from a french toast-making standpoint, you could do a lot better. Guy CANNOT cook.

  13. Votto’s last at-bat yesterday was a ball caught at the left field wall. It was an out, so all the haters chalked it up as “Votto is terrible” (or whatever meme they’ve settled on), but I think it actually may have been hit harder than today’s home run. So maybe today’s home run also proves what a bad hitter Votto is because it wouldn’t have gotten out of Coors.

          • @homerandbruce: I think you’re missing the point of the comment. The point is that people see what they want to see. If they’re down on Votto, a fly ball to the wall is just another out. A hard hit ball to second is just another out. A walk is of no value. And so on. I don’t really care which specific words people have used to complain about him recently.

          • @homerandbruce: I don’t recall anyone saying that, by the way. Joey is a great player, great hitter who the Nation loves unconditionally but when he stinks, we call him on it. Just like the rest of the mortals that play on this team.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan:

            @homerandbruce: I don’t recall anyone saying that, by the way.Joey is a great player, great hitter who the Nation loves unconditionally but when he stinks, we call him on it.Just like the rest of the mortals that play on this team.

            Charlotte – JV homered today. He’s back (tic)!

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Oh, lord. Go back and read the comments for the last two weeks. All sorts of stuff about how he isn’t worth the money, Craig is better, he’s nowhere near the player he once was, he’s “depressed,” he’s “lost it,” he can’t hit in the clutch, he’s obsessed with walks, and on and on and on. I’m not going to get into a game of what were the EXACT words written about him, but the criticisms have become more and more severe, to the point where it wouldn’t surprise me at all if someone has actually used the word “terrible” to describe him. Talk about boring! Almost every time Votto makes an out, especially with runners on base, we get the same handful of guys saying the same things.

          • @Baseclogger: I’ve heard “slump”. I’ve heard “doing bad right now”, maybe even “being a bad hitter right now”. But, by no means is Votto a bad hitter. I just wish Bakerman would give him a break.

  14. Phillips OBP is now higher than Frazier’s. Think C. Trent will tweet that?

  15. Hey friends – been watching but not commenting (computer closed up). Pleasant surprises so far and Mat is dealing pretty well. We really need 3 of 4 if not all 4 in this series.

    Through 7 of the Birds at bats … let’s tack on a couple and hold ’em tight.

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Lets not get ahead of ourselves. One at a time. We have our best pitcher today but the next three who knows. And Wainwright is awful against the Reds, according to the stats.

        I would be happy with 3 of 4. If done, we would be 1 1/2 game out of cardinals… I would take that in a heart beat with 21 games to go

        • @tae: I agree … 3 of 4 is the benchmark this week and we are off to a good start with what should be a win today.

        • @tae:

          @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Lets not get ahead of ourselves.One at a time.We have our best pitcher today but the next three who knows.And Wainwright is awful against the Reds, according to the stats.

          I would be happy with 3 of 4. If done, we would be 1 1/2 game out of cardinals… I would take that in a heart beat with 21 games to go

          For once I disagree slighty with you since I am greedy – Reds need all 4 – especially after their putrid showing this past week-end in Denver.

          • @cincyreds14: 3 of 4 would be “nice” – like a peck on your sister’s cheek nice. Not going to get my motored started but, you know, okay. 4 of 4, I’m dancing a jig. Of course, it could all come crashing down against LA.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Not while I’m in my birth place of Cincinnati Ohio for 4 1/2 glorious days this week – now if only the Reds and Bengals would co-operate. Been a fan of both teams as long as I can remember (since the late 1960s while seeing my first Reds game at Crosley Field in the mid 1960s) and never thought I would be an old-timer or gray beard but here I am.

            And sorry for being really hard on JV this past month – I really want him to get to the level of all-time greats (which I am sure he does too). But that may simply be asking too much. As it is, ESPN radio reported today that Todd Helton of the local Colorado Rockies is NOT HOF caliber. And I have to agree. And regrettably, Joey may never be either – no matter how much hard work he puts in.

            HOF are genuinely special players that usually come along once a generation.

            And granted, JV may end with a very solid MLB career and still not end up being HOF material – just ask fellow 1B Todd Helton. He’s a similar player to Joey in that he signed a mega 10 year contract in 2002 that is ending this year. And he also lit the house on fire his first few years and gently faded. And my hat is off to Todd – he has had a very solid pro career and has been a fine citizen and a very good player. Simply not HOF caliber, and therefore not great – the same fate that may just belie JV.

            Just have to accept Joey as a very good player who hopefully helps the Reds for years to come.

            SO JV – relax – play the game you know and …

            GO REDS!

          • @cincyreds14:

            Todd Helton’s #s:

            Year Age GP HR RBI BA
            1999 25 159 35 113 .320
            2000 26 160 42 147 .372
            2001 27 159 49 146 .336
            2002 28 156 30 109 .329
            2003 29 160 33 117 .358
            2004 30 154 32 96 .347

            Notice Todd’s #s 2000 thru 2003 – definitely HOF #s. Eventually Todd dropped off and became mortal when he hit 30.

            Joey may simply be following suit. But please relax Reds Nation, as Denver fans have appreciated Todd Helton for the entire past 15 years. He has been a favorite in Denver for years, and fans will easily forgive him of he’s not the 1st Rockie to be a HOF-er.

            And with the Reds history being what its been over the past 45 years the bar has been set so very high. Thanks to the BRM (who will make their first on field appearance this w/e) and the Barry Larkin led 1990 WS champs.

            Let’s appreciate the current Reds for who they are – and that they strive to provide a very enjoyable Fall for all Cincinnati Reds fans, both young and old.

  16. It would be really great if DB treated this like a 1-run lead from here on.

  17. Watching the game on Fox Sports Midwest is quite frustrating. None of the Reds hitters this inning had a stat line placed on the screen when they stepped up to bat. Someone is slacking up in the media booth.

  18. Anyone heard how Cueto’s injury recovery is progressing? And is it possible he gets back this year?

  19. Mat Latos is really something. Hopefully, Homer follows strongly tomorrow.

    • Mat Latos is really something.Hopefully, Homer follows strongly tomorrow.

      We need to check with Steve M – I’m sure he thinks Homer will be ready.

      And being that I plan to be at the game on Thursday – would really love to see Cingrani!

  20. Let Latos finish or put Chappy in? I go with let Latos finish – this game is HUGE and Mat is manhandling them!

  21. I’d leave Latos in to get the complete game. If not, then put Chapman in for an inning.

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