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Titanic Struggle Recap: Thank you, Greg Reynolds

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

Cincinnati 8
Colorado 3

W: G. Reynolds (1-2)
L: J. Nicasio (8-7)

–Greg Reynolds pitched eight solid innings against the team that made him a first-round draft choice, allowing three runs on seven hits. It was the first major league win in two years for Reynolds, and it came at a perfect time, after last night’s debacle.

–Brandon Phillips finished a single short of the cycle tonight, going 3-5 with two magic RBI. That gives him 99 RBI on the season, which is the most on the Reds, so he is clearly the best player at any level of this franchise. Then again, BP was 0-2 with runners in scoring position, so maybe he’s the worst player.

–Shin-Soo Choo reached base four times, going 3-4 with a double and a walk. He only had one RBI, though, so it wasn’t a very good game for Choo.

–Ryan Ludwick went 3-5, but more importantly, he had two RBI. Joey Votto had two RBI, as well, but they don’t count, if I understand the narrative correctly.

–Sam LeCure struck out the side in a perfect ninth inning. That’s the Sam LeCure we all know and love.

–Zack Cozart made his twelfth error of the season.

–After Bronson Arroyo caused the bullpen to work a little yesterday, it was good to see Greg Reynolds — of all people — pitch eight quality innings.

–Reds will go for the series win tomorrow, with Mike Leake on the mound.

Source: FanGraphs

53 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Thank you, Greg Reynolds

    • Why does the Axford deal bother me more than just a little?

      I’d be more worried if he was a lefty

    • @Johnu1: With the way Axford has been pitching, I don’t care about him. Morneau to the Pirates and Michael Young to the Dodgers, now that’s bad news.

      • @pinson343: Axford himself is not the problem. He’s beatable. The problem is the myth of teams not trading inside their own division on a pennant race. I wouldn’t mind if Detroit or Seattle had unloaded Axford. I do mind that the Brewers did it.

  1. There’s no mention of any RBI for LeCure or Reynolds, so I’m not sure how they got into the “positives.”

      • @RedLeg75: Continuing Thom’s voice… “Now I’m not saying it’s IMPOSSIBLE for a guy to be considered a successful major league pitcher without driving in a lot of runs — lord knows we’ve seen plenty of guys have long and impressive pitching careers whose RBI totals weren’t anything to write home about — but at some point you just GOTTA ask yourself: WHEN is Sam LeCure going to start driving some people in?”

        • @Baseclogger: Nice. Perfect if you: included a reference to the Arizona Diamondbacks; wrote it in all caps, with the words you put in caps bolded and double underlined. And “long” should be “LOOOONGGG”. 🙂

          • @TC: Now I’m not saying Thom doesn’t like to throw around a “holy moses” every once in a while — lord knows we’ve all heard him use that expression on numerous occasions, and he’s offered no signs of letting up any time soon — but, I mean, let’s be honest here, you’ve really GOT to wonder if he uses the phrase as much as, quite honestly, some people would want him to. I mean, some would say he actually doesn’t say “holy moses” enough, and I think you could make a pretty good case that says those folks are dead right.

  2. That had to feel great for Reynolds. His high altitude experience (mainly at AAA) probably helped, I hoped it would. Second straight strong start for him.
    The Reds starting rotation showing some depth. Now Leake needs to get back on track later today.

  3. Aroldis Chapman has not pitched since August 24. Is his arm tired ? Let’s hope he gets some work in – in an actual game – before his next challenging save opportunity.

    • @pinson343: I found myself asking the same question when he was nowhere to be seen again last night. Seems like something is up.

      • @Kyle Farmer: Yeah. This is historically his tired shoulder time. Interesting. Maybe they are giving him as much a break as possible to help him rest.

    • @pinson343: Agree 100%. Either he’s hurting, or Dusty is once again playing with fire for no good reason. And if Chapman isn’t hurt and Dusty does believe he needs some work to knock the rust off, last night was the time to do it: if he pitches today, that could limit his availability during the Cards series.

      The TV announcers didn’t even bring the subject up, which makes me lean towards the hurting theory. They’re around the team enough to know, they wouldn’t want to share that information, and they’re not so useless that the question would never occur to them. (Seriously. They may not be the best announcers, but you have to be pretty dense to follow the team and NOT wonder about Chapman’s usage, don’t you? If fans notice, certainly professionals would, right?)

      • @Eric the Red: Brantley (who obviously has unique credibility on the issue being a former closer) has been repeatedly saying they need to get Chapman some work. Brantley says relief pitchers are better when they have more work. When they have too much time off, their arms get almost too strong and they get wild. He’s been saying “where’s Chapman” for a couple days.

        • @Steve Mancuso: Thanks. I don’t get to listen to the radio guys. (You don’t even need to be a former pitcher to understand Chapman shouldn’t go this long without work if he’s healthy; watching him this year makes it pretty obvious.)

          If Chapman is healthy, then Dusty’s non-use of him in the past two nights has to go on the short-list of “worst managerial decisions of the year.”. (Hey, maybe that could be a Redlegs Nation contest at the end of the year. You can even have categories: vote for “Worst in-game move”, “Worst starting lineup–single game”, “Worst starting lineup–vs LHP”, “Worst non-replacement of a starting pitcher”, etc. It could be fun, or help us laugh through the tears after we lose the wild card game when Dusty pinch hits Izturis for Votto with the bases loaded.)

          • @Eric the Red: I think it’s safe to say that Dusty isn’t a very good manager now. If Chapman is hurt, put him on the DL and get somebody up from the minors to fill the roster spot. There’s no logical reason to run with 24 players if one of the guys isn’t capable of playing.

  4. Not so sure that I would list Cozart’s “error” as a negative. That was an absolutely ridiculous call by the umpire. Clearly Cozart was moving the ball from his glove to his throwing hand when it dropped and the umpire simply blew the call.

    Heck the call was so bad that even Dusty managed to go out and argue for a bit.

  5. Okay so what happens come Thursday? Tony should be scheduled to come of DL, but his innings count has to be up there and would he not be more valuable to have at 100% come the playoffs?

  6. Collectively as Reds fans we have to get past this RBI thing. The game thread was almost unreadable last night.

    • @Kurt Frost: Yes! And every other comment for a while was about how much money someone made so it was OK for them to make an out. We got your point (not you Kurt).

    • Collectively as Reds fans we have to get past this RBI thing. The game thread was almost unreadable last night.

      The problem with the RBI thing is that RBI relates directly to the LOB thing. I’d rather have RBI than LOB. As a stat, RBI is fairly useless. But RBI, ironicaly, is very useful if you plan to drive in runs — which is somewhat necessary if you plan to score any.

      • The problem with the RBI thing is that RBI relates directly to the LOB thing. I’d rather have RBI than LOB. As a stat, RBI is fairly useless. But RBI, ironicaly, is very useful if you plan to drive in runs — which is somewhat necessary if you plan to score any.

        OBP is even more necessary if you want to score runs.

        • @Kurt Frost: Again, they both are necessary. You can drive in a run without getting on base. You can’t score a run if you don’t get on base.

          • @Kurt Frost: Again, they both are necessary.You can drive in a run without getting on base.You can’t score a run if you don’t get on base.

            I’d rather have a walk than a run scoring ground out. Just think how many runs a team would score if they never made an out.

          • @Kurt Frost: Funny you should mention a run scoring groundout. I was thinking when Votto got an RBI in the first while grounding out that a walk would have been a better result.

          • @Kurt Frost: Sure. I’d rather have 5 straight singles than a single, a HR, then 3 straight out. The thing is, with all runs scored, you had to have someone “On Base” and someone to “Bat Them In”

          • @steveschoen: I’d rather have both than just people to get on base. For, it means nothing if they don’t cross the plate. OBP may have a high correlation to scoring. But, it isn’t a 100% correlation. You get much closer to that if you consider both.

          • @steveschoen: A lot is made of the so-called sexy stats — RBI always being the one that the scribes saw as the biggie. What’s happened is that the true stats people have laughed RBI off the table and given the media a chance to embrace OBP and RISP as *the* important offense stats. Honestly, RBI and RISP is a stat of opportunity, not skill. But if there are guys on base and you don’t drive them in, it may not be a failure but it’s far from a success. The objective is to score runs. No other way of sugar-coating that.

    • @Kurt Frost: I wasn’t even on the game thread last nite, but I’m with you. I love Chad’s recaps, and after a win it’s a way for me to celebrate. The dominating theme was RBI sarcasm, not fun to read.

    • @Kurt Frost: I wasn’t able to read the game thread until late last night, and also found myself just wanting some of that give-and-take to let up. At some point, please, agree to disagree.

  7. Maybe the game thread was a bad place for this question, so I’ll ask again: can someone who understands the business side of things, waiver and 40 man rules, etc. explain why Reynolds wasn’t picked up by anyone when we had to waive him after his start in SF? He’s a perfectly serviceable major league pitcher; he must be better than a lot of 4th and 5th starters around the league. And removing him from our roster would have really hurt us, with Cueto down and no reasonable Starter option behind Reynolds in the minors.

    I would think almost anyone posting a 10-1 AAA record or whatever Reynolds was at the time would be worth picking up for 20 or more teams around the league, since pitching is so rare and few teams are blessed with 5 or 6 strong Starters. I was puzzled then, and I’m even more puzzled after his last two starts.

    • @Eric the Red: I wondered the same thing. Even the Marlins could have signed him for next to free. Reynolds is not the kind of guy who would command a lot of interest for a team trying to build a winning staff. But he’s better than Jeff Francis.

      Aaron Harang, anyone?

  8. Could the Reds have blocked that Morneau trade? I don’t know how that stuff works.

    • @EastCoastVibes: I think they could have. Morneau isn’t a dealmaker for the Parrots, any more than Byrd. It gives the impression the Parrots are “in it to win it,” as if they weren’t on July 1. The fans like these trades but they are only going to matter on selected miracle moments that the scribes will sort out at the end.

  9. @EastCoastVibes: As I understand the system, they could have blocked the deal by claiming him off waivers, but then could have gotten stuck with him, and then they’re basically paying the guy to do nothing and they’d they’d have to drop a player to make room for him. Better to just let the Pirates have him. He’s not that dangerous anymore.

    • @Baseclogger: I agree but I’ll add that the Pirates have a lot more depth with their 3 additions. They’re going to be platooning Morneau (and even Byrd somewhat, I read) after Marte gets back. Their bench is much better than the Reds now.

      My only real complaint with WJ is not strengthening the bench.

      • @pinson343: Agreed. It just seems like there had to be a spare part or two in the minors that might have been able to bring somebody to help the bench.

    • @Baseclogger: I was looking at Morneau’s numbers last nite. He can’t hit lefties anymore and his road numbers this year are terrible. He’ll hit an occasional HR but once again there’s been a media hype: Harold Reynolds said he’s “back in MVP form”. I don’t think so.

  10. The Reds are going to have to deal with the Bucos at some point and eventually it will boil down to a winner take all outcome between the two teams. The Bucos had one, huge glaring deficiency in their lineup and that was the lack of a productive corner OF. The Bucos paid a pretty steep price to obtain Byrd and I would never have advocated that the Reds pay such a price for an additional OF, but the Bucos had a more desperate need. I’m glad that the Bucos paid such a steep price for a 2 month rental of Byrd, but I would be happier if the Reds did not have to face the Bucos with Byrd going into their late regular season and post season confrontations. I don’t know what is driving Byrd’s resurgence and I’m not going to specualte or levy accusations. Before the trade, Byrd had an .851 OPS and since the trade he has an even more impressive .938 OPS. The Reds had the opportunity to block that revocable waiver trade and whiffed on the opportunity. Now they’ll have to deal with the situation that they permitted to occur.

  11. Last night I found the handling of the Reds’ lineup by the opposing pitcher interesting and encouraging. In the 5th inning, Nicasio made the decision to pitch to Votto and pitch around Bruce with runners on 2B & 3B and no outs and pitch to Ludwick. Joey SO of course, which was disappointing and frustrating, but the Reds scored 3 runs in the inning. Now Joey just needs to get his hitting stroke back with Bruce hitting cleanup an the Reds lineup could be dangerous, very dangerous.

    • @Shchi Cossack: Definitely. The Reds big run last year without Votto was due to Ludwick, BP, and Frazer all getting hot.
      Ludwick and BP are showing signs of a hot streak. And Cozart instead of Frazer is OK.

  12. It’s good to see BP, Ludwick and Cozart hitting better. Reds this year have been so streaky, it would be nice to see all the bats get hot at the same time for more than a game.

    Hard to say what the plans are for Greg Reynolds with the Reds long term, but I could believe he could be a decent bottom of the rotation innings eater.

  13. I really don’t get the schedule this year. There have been a lot of really terrible streaks, imbalances, etc. Now we have a road trip to St. Louis and Denver which ends with a late afternoon game out west followed by a day game at home. That seems really unfair.

    • @Eric the Red: Over a season, every team has some quirky scheduling gaffe. I found it interesting that the Reds announcers earlier in the year were whining about playing 20 games in 20 days.

      Every team does it and if you follow their blogs and reports, they all whine about it as if they are the only team to get burned. But the schedule itself is totally without any common sense.

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