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Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.08.04)

I am typing this game thread out on Saturday morning, so it’s a “write your own” game thread.  Are the Reds going for a series win today?  Are the Reds trying to avoid being swept?  Are the Reds on the verge of showing life?  Or is the club about to wrap up a disastrous series that will likely force all of us to jump of the ledge and assume the season is over?

Regardless of what the Reds are playing for today, let’s just hope they GO!

351 thoughts on “Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.08.04)

  1. To repeat an earlier point: what’s the purpose of using up a roster spot on a pitcher who will never contribute to a win? Corky Miller could finish this game and probably give up no more runs than Villareal. Why not add a hitter or a guy capable of pinch running (if only the Reds had one of those in the minor league system) instead of a pitcher who can’t possibly help the team win a single game?

    • @Baseclogger: That’s one of the major concerns. Sans Billy Hamilton and a few pitchers in A ball, there isn’t much. All of the talent is here and ready to win.

      Cueto, Votto, Bruce, Bailey, Mesoraco, Leake, Frazier all products of the farm system. The time is now and it’s being wasted.

      • @nelly33: There are guys who could at least potentially contribute to a win. Having a guy who can steal second and third (and maybe even get a hit) could potentially win a game for us. Having a guy who only pitches when you’re up or down by 8+ runs is never going to contribute anything. The people making these decisions are just not very smart, if you ask me.

  2. Looking forward to the Red’s relieving Dusty of his managerial duties tomorrow.

  3. While I agree with the comments regarding the mismanagement of the bullpen and Dusty, there’s still this: 2 runs on 3 hits. Probably still wouldn’t have mattered anyway – still not enough offense.

    • @vared: I think the Reds might have scored a couple more if they actually felt it made any difference whatsoever. There’s no reason for anyone to even think about taking a walk or stealing a base at this point.

  4. Let me walk you through the post game interview with Dusty in about an hour.

    Piecoro–”Dusty, a tough game to lose today. You came back and played great yesterday but it just wasn’t meant to be today”.

    Dusty–”We really struggled today and you just can’t allow a team like the Cardinals to score four runs in the first inning. They have a good ball club. We gave ‘em four runs and then Cozart hit that two run homer which put us right back in the game. But then here they came again and really added on to their lead. You have to get them credit.”

    Jeff–”Any concerns about the offense?”

    Dusty–”It’s coming around and we will have an off day tomorrow so hopefully everyone can get some rest and we will get after in on Tuesday against the A’s. You have to play one game at a time.”

    What??? Dusty says the same thing after every losing effort. Ugggh!

    • @dc937: I’ve seen it in the minors. I can almost guarantee his ERA would be lower than the current pitcher’s. No sarcasm here, either. I just don’t understand why you have a guy on the team who can’t possibly contribute to a single win.

  5. I’m not convinced the Reds will make the playoffs but lets say they do make the playoffs and do win the one game playoff, does anybody have any doubts that Cingrani will be the odd man out of the rotation despite superior stuff to Leake and Arroyo? I think it should be Arroyo, but no way Dusty lets that happen.

    • @AnnapolisHoosier: I am of the opinion that Leake’s stuff is better than Cingrani’s. However, I think all the starters stay on the (hopeful) playoff roster, using Cingrani out of the bullpen.

      • @AnnapolisHoosier: I am of the opinion that Leake’s stuff is better than Cingrani’s. However, I think all the starters stay on the (hopeful) playoff roster, using Cingrani out of the bullpen.

        What? How could you possibly say that? Leake has better control, but his stuff isn’t in the same stratosphere.

        • @AnnapolisHoosier: I guess I consider control to be included with “stuff”. I’d never really thought about it that way. Cingrani’s pitches move more effectively, and his left-handedness can be an advantage, but when you consider all aspects of their abilities, I think I’d take Mike Leake. Not to bash Tony, because he’s been stellar this year as well.

  6. When the Reds hired Dusty in october 2007, was there anybody else being considered?

    • @Larry1980: I think they were also considering a rock, but decided Baker would be slightly smarter and perhaps a tad more proactive. I’m not sure they were right.

  7. The one thing I’m enjoying about this game is that I decided not to attend it.

  8. One manager goes to the mound when his pitcher allows two guys on base with a 9 run lead. The other manager…. is Dusty Baker.

  9. Oh No, we suck again. But will anything change. No. The only thing that will make a statement is if this team starts playing in front of empty seats.

  10. Maybe LeCure didn’t like being brought in to mop up the 9th again in another rout.

  11. i should get a new job with a different day off. The Reds are brutal on Sundays …

  12. Kurt Warner to Tory Holt, and at the 2 minute warning, it’s the Rams 15 and the Bungles 2.

  13. Marty said he was surprised that there hasn’t been a players-only meeting yet. I agree with him.

  14. Didn’t the Reds begin playing better after locking Dave Concepcion in an oversized clothes dryer a million years ago? Hey Pedro …..

  15. Reds don’t homer, they don’t score. Reds have no ability to string together hits to score runs. 7 of the 10 runs they scored to past 2 days were on homers.

    • @vegastypo:

      Yep, silence is in order here, sort of like at the end of the “Rains Of Castamere” episode of Game Of Thrones.

      • @YorktownRed: You’re talking degrees of misery. I for one, hate, hate, hate losing to the Cardinals, so it’s always a gut punch to me even if it’s a full-fledged beat down like today.

        • @iw1967: Agree, but if we have to lose, I would be much more devastated by the game that gets away in the last inning.

  16. Let’s get #rolenformanager trending and see where it goes. We don’t have a lot left to go to.

  17. Some people say Ludwick was the reason for all of this. Ludwick wouldn’t have been able to help this much.

  18. From Rosecrans recap:

    “Since the Reds won the first game of the season series 13-4 in April, the Cardinals have outscored the Reds 75-29 in 11 games.”

    I think Dusty just writes off these series with the Cards now.

  19. Would someone at least break a bat on a cooler or smash some batting helmets or something after failing in a key situation? Jeez, other than the occasional Votto f-bomb caught on air, I haven’t seen much in the way of passion out of this bunch.

    • @Drew Mac: Reds shoulda got Brian Wilson. He’s always good for some quirkiness and the occasional dugout hulk-smash session.

    • @Drew Mac: I suppose we can hope this team will respond to a Cardinal beat down the same way as the 2010 team did. There are still 50 games left to make this season we hoped it would be at the beginning of the year.

      But this team seems like it has been going through the motions for more than two months now. On the offensive side, especially, there seems a complete lack of energy, as though they are all waiting for somebody to turn on the switch. A lot of it falls on the players and some of it falls on management and the coaching staff.

      I keep reminding myself that the Reds are still leading for the last playoff spot and as long as they get in, anything could happen.

      Still, it feels like this season is slipping away and nobody feels any great sense of urgency to do anything about it.

      • @iw1967: From Trent’s Twitter: Lecure: ‘We’re running out of tomorrows and we have to play with some urgency.’

        THANK YOU.

  20. On the plus side, my fantasy team kicked butt this week…..so at least I got that goin for me.

  21. Well I see yesterday was a fluke, another Cardinal ass whipping…. jeez, just pathetic. Keep this up and the Cubs may catch them for 3rd place. All I want for Christmas is for Baker and Jacoby to be gone!!!!!

  22. This team is in trouble. The right handed hitting is terrible and the bench is awful. The only hope they get hot. Thats all I got.

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