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Game Thread: Pirates at Reds (2013.07.21)

Finish them!  The Reds have the opportunity to start the 2nd half of the season off with the best possible scenario.  A win today would complete a 3-game sweep of the Pirates and allow this club to continue to climb closer to the division lead while planting even more doubts into the Pirates that 2013 is going to play out just like 2011 and 2012.  But the Reds need to finish it off today.  A 1st inning like yesterday’s would go a long way in setting the tone for the sweep, wouldn’t it!?

As you wait for the Reds game, tune your TVs over to The Open Championship where things are all clustered at the top.  If I am not watching a Reds game, I can’t think of many sporting events better to watch than a golf major.  In all honesty, my remote will probably be getting a workout around 1:00 as The Open draws closer to an end and the Reds game begins.

But this site isn’t dedicated to golf.  It is dedicated to the Reds.  With that said, let’s break out the BROOOOOOOMS and cheer for the Reds to GOOOOOOOOOOO!

310 thoughts on “Game Thread: Pirates at Reds (2013.07.21)

  1. How can you not have watched the Reds for the past 4 years and not be thinking that the only thing that matters in the grand scheme of things for my happiness is Votto’s knee eventually being 100 percent? I mean literally nothing else matters to me……Can u guarantee me that he will be 100 percent next year? I would be a lot more comfortable. I mean making the playoffs is a far 2nd place in my mind to Votto’s knee. am i crazy?

  2. I bet no one on this site could announce a game as well as thom, Marty, or Chris. As for thom and Marty’s “negativity” it pales in comparison to the negativity posted on this site!!

  3. I guess the game recap will be – opportunity missed. Raise the jolly Roger to half-mast!

  4. Tough, tough lost. DB has to step up his game and take every day like it matters. The margin of error is gone if we have any chance of taking this division. Brutal bullpen (non)management in the 7th. No excuses. Yes JV choked in the 8th but you know the guy is giving it all he has. I’m not sure about Baker.

  5. A sweep would have been nice, but 2 outta 3 ain’t bad. Onward and upward for the Redlegs from here. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

  6. pretty disappointing effort. big difference between 3-0 and 2-1 when you trail a team in the standings.

    and now off to the long west coast trip that has caused me many a headache over the years….

    let’s hope an offensive roll is coming soon.

  7. And as the game ends, they harp on the negative instead of a series win against one of the best teams in baseball this year.

    I wonder what has to happen for them to be considered good? Welsh said, “It’s tough to manage the around the inability to hit with runners in scoring position.” This was against the #1 bullpen in baseball and a closer who has blown one save all year. Our announcers (Thom mostly) make it sound like it should be easy for us to just go out out and blow them away.

    I know the team has holes, most teams do. Why not stop being a negative Nancy all the time?

    • @MilnersGhost: I agree that it’s silly to ignore the other team’s good players. Such as the comment “we need Votto to drive the ball in that situation”. I mean, we’d like Votto to drive the ball every time. Can someone place a percentage on how often he should, and then consider that Melancon is really good?

      That said, I don’t agree with harping on a series win either, when they won the first two and had a shutdown Bailey type game today. It’s disappointing. Nothing to jump off the cliff over, but disappointing.

    • @MilnersGhost: You should have been here in April & May, it was positive. The hour is getting late and we need to find a way to win games like today. You don’t get them back.

      Now we go to SF and the Giants are playing and being managed like every game is Game 7 of a World Series.

      Bases loaded in the 8th with a pitcher battling his control and #3 & #4 hitters up,and the best we can do is scratch out 1 run with a DP. No that doesn’t turn my crank, sorry.

  8. I know the players missed a lot of opportunities today and didn’t play very well, but I still put this loss square on Dustys shoulders. How obvious does it have to be to pull a guy?

  9. For those of you who rip Dusty, today you are vindicated again. That 7th inning was terrible. You dont let your pitcher go like that.

  10. Dusty playing for a starting pitcher win, the Pirates playing for a team win. I feel like we’ve seen this scene before.

  11. Yeah, it’s all Dusty’s fault. His AB with bases loaded in the 8th was embarrassing.

  12. Re: pitch count for Bailey, if you are going to let a guy throw 120 once in a while, this is the game to do it. A close game where it matters—not a 7-0 game where it doesn’t.

    He gave up a 29 hopper to Mercer and a swinging bunt to Barmes that I think Cozart could have made the play on. So, the result sucked, but not because Bailey was obviously gassed.

  13. So any prediction on the upcoming 11game road trip? I see 4-7 maybe 5-6 if we get a break.

  14. I don’t also get the idea that Hurdle outmanaged Baker. Hurdle managed to use up his best lefty to face Neftali Soto, preventing a very good Bryan Morris from having to face Xavier Paul. That is insanity, because he really wanted, I assume, Wilson to face Votto and Bruce in the 8th, but he was used up facing a bad hitter.

    Just making moves doesn’t make the moves good.

  15. Dusty confirming in the postgame interview that he left Bailey in so he would have a chance to get a win. Wow, just unbelievable.

    Yea sure, why should you care more about the club winning, its not like that’s your job or anything.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: HAT, you are astute and should know better. Dusty is not baseball savvy and you know that better than anyone here. That is a compliment by the way. He has never and will never out-mamnge Clint Hurdle. Hurdle is one of the very best in the game and has proved now for 3-seasons. For the Pirates to post records like they have with guys picked up off the ash heap and marginal Minor League prospects, is commendable. Dusty can’t hole CH’s line-up card.

        • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I don’t watch Hurdle day in and day out, so I have no idea how good he is. Wouldn’t many here say he’s terrible because he “allowed” two collapses in a row? (I would not, but just asking.)

          My point only was that I did not agree with what he did. You can not manage (Baker sometimes), and you also can overmanage. I think Hurdle overdid it and hurt himself (but Melancon picked him up).

          • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Go back and look at those Rosters. You don’t have to be an Einstein to see he has taken Lemons and made some very tasty Lemonade. He rode those horses until they died. Those teams had zero depth and he had no choice.

            Same thing will probably happen this year. People like to say he uses his bullpen too much early in the season and wears them down for the stretch. Did it ever occur to them, that it may have been necessary to even compete for the first 4 months of the season?

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: The Reds have had numerous opportunities to send the Pirates into a tail-spin. Not this year, Old Dusty Doolittle (that’s pretty good if I may say so myself) and the Reds have let the Pirates walk right off the old plank twice. How nice. Quality Reds teams in the past would have ushered them right off the old plank and into the blue waters, pronto.

        • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I don’t know. I live in Pittsburgh, and the Pirates fans hear have a similar exasperation with Clint Hurdle that many Reds fans have with Dusty Baker. I’ve seen him bat the relief pitcher multiple times just to take him out the next inning. Some here say that Hurdle is the second worst manager in the NL, right behind you-know-who.

          • @Antiproton: Yeah, I agree, get some of those guys (Tracy, etc.) that were before Clint and relive the good old days. If Bucs fans don’t want him, I would take him in a New York minute.

    • @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful.All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player thatever played baseball.They just gushed and gushed over him.It was sickening.

      @BearcatNation: This is what drives me most nuts about Dusty (and the list is long). He seems to manage for the players egos and stats MORE than for the win. He will claim it’s a marathon season and allow a win here or there to disappear for the sake of his player-first philosophy. http://redlegnation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

    • @BearcatNation: I try to dispose of any organizations that I hold stock in when a board member or C-level executive makes a horrible statement like that. And we are stuck with that nimrod for another 1 1/2 years? Cripes…

  16. Thanks VOTTO – And no you are not an All-Star (what a joke). THE REDS ARE STUCK WITH YOU!

    Would take Paul Goldschmidt any day of the week.

    And Dusty getting out-managed again – gee, where have we heard that before.

    Still don’t think the Reds have anywhere near what it takes to contend. SS (“but he will be a fine 2nd hitter one day”), C, 3B, Dusty, Jacoby, Speir …

    Getting real tired of it – no shake-up and pulling my MLB package at the end of July.


      • @BearcatNation: Hope you know a little bit more about baseball than you are indicating. Joey has 6 rbis in 12 ABs with the bases loaded this season and 3 of those have come from bases loaded walks. Hope you enjoy watching Joey’s and the Red’s futility the rest of the year. This line-up needs a big shake up or this season is over (and the coming years will be all down hill and only frown on the Reds as the minors are nearly empty). And no the Reds are clearly not playoff caliber unless they plan to play the Marlins, Cubs and the Brew-crew.

          • @cincyreds14: Dude, have you been watching the same team everyone else has since June 1st? Today’s game was simply the epitome, good teams sweep the Pirates – mediocre teams lose the 3rd game when they have the table set (bases jammed with no outs)in the bottom of the 8th, down 1 run, and their supposed most prolific hitter coming to the plate and he grounds into a DP. Good teams put a 5 spot up that inning and win going way, mediocre teams squander opportunities and hit less than .200 with RISP. Watch a few Cards games, that should help you zero in on what very good teams do versus blatant mediocrity. Have a few vintage albums of radio feeds from the Red’s 1970 and 1972 seasons. The albums are jammed packed with quality baseball – something this manager and his coaches and his star players know so little about.

    • @cincyreds14: Don’t cancel. Take a couple of games off and watch the Giants play for, what seems, their very lives. Actualy very inspiring and I like the D-Backs.

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Charlotte, been a Reds fan for over 40 years (almost 45) – but this is the most frustrating team I have followed. I remember when they were bad – and everyone expected them to be bad (Reds pitchers not being able to get past the 4th w/o giving up 4 or 5 runs on an average night). But they could always hit – until this year. When half your line-up is a non-factor then its time to hang up any hopes for success. Normally start watching MiLB and hope to find a diamond in the rough. Somebody mentioned Lutz, but he’s only hitting around .223 at AA – not much hope there, and with B Hamilton scuffling at AAA, not much brightness on the horizon. It’s going to be a gloomy day down at the old ball yard for a very long time. Time to turn the sights to football. This Red season is DUST!

        • @cincyreds14: Me too and I can appreciate where you are coming from but I live for the 6-months of baseball and will root for my boys no matter the situation. I really believe that if we canned this joke of a manager, we would be right there.

          Yes, this not the JV we have come to know and love but you bat him after Choo in the second spot, this lineup would take off. MVP still has a “lot” of value but right now it is not as a run producer but as a table setter, there is none better. Put BP, Bruce, Fraz, Heiesy after the top two and the offensive production will improve enough to compete with the better teams. Maybe even offset DB’s deficiencies.

          If we stand pat with the current line-up and bullpen (pitching) management, I agree we won’t even get a WC slot but I’m not giving up. Getting rid of Baker should be the main desire of any true Reds’ fan.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Charlotte, thank-you, you always make me smile. And its real hard to give up the ship on a 45 year relationship. So like I have been doing since the late 60s – I will continue following the Reds, even though as you concurred, this team, as it is, has nary a chance to be a real factor. I did have such high hopes for this season but sadly they don’t look up to it.

  17. Thanks for concern Bearcat. Hope you can enjoy this Red’s team the rest of the year. I have you heard about the “all-in” line? All-in? Look at the reds record since June 1st – yea that’s all in – and here comes the Cubs!

        • @cincyreds14:
          Basic math says otherwise.

          Three games behind the Pirates… Close.

          Four-five games behind the Cardinals… Less close, but still manageable.

          Ten and a half games ahead of the Cubs… Yeah.

          But no. The Cubs are much closer to the Reds, you’re right.


          • @rhayex: Factor in that the Reds are chasing better teams – that what most prognosticators do. Oh, that’s right they drink Hudepohl, Schoenlings and Stroh’s back east. Not Coor’s – the beer of the Rocky Mountain region.

          • @cincyreds14: If the current season is this painful for you, maybe you just ought to stop watching. I’d hate to read your reaction if the Reds had lost this very important series instead of taking two of three and gaining a full game on a team (and manager) that you believe to be so superior to the team you say you support.

          • @kywhi: Dude, go to NY and Philly and listen to their fans, then report back, as they care so much more about their teams than many supposed Reds fans in the Tristate area who care more about their frilly manicured lawns than the local team. And from ‘kyshi’ I take it you are living smack in the middle of manicured city (Northern Kentucky – just outside Cincy?).

          • @kywhi:

            And btw, go listen to some feeds from Lou Pinella, Pete Rose etc. when they were leading the Reds. Men who had the fire in their belly to share their utter disgust with poor baseball. Dude, I am definitely not the 1st nor will I be the last to do so – too many fans have put up with toothpick for half a dozen years that they don’t even call him out when he fails to argue a bad call that the ump definitely got wrong – Pete and Lou sure wouldn’t have done that that and neither should you.

          • @kywhi:

            And btw, go listen to some feeds from Lou Pinella, Pete Rose etc. when they were leading the Reds. Men who had the fire in their belly to share their utter disgust with poor baseball. Dude, I am definitely not the 1st nor will I be the last to do so – too many fans have put up with toothpick for half a dozen years that they don’t even call him out when he fails to argue a bad call that the ump definitely got wrong – Pete and Lou sure wouldn’t have done that that and neither should you.

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