Finish them!  The Reds have the opportunity to start the 2nd half of the season off with the best possible scenario.  A win today would complete a 3-game sweep of the Pirates and allow this club to continue to climb closer to the division lead while planting even more doubts into the Pirates that 2013 is going to play out just like 2011 and 2012.  But the Reds need to finish it off today.  A 1st inning like yesterday’s would go a long way in setting the tone for the sweep, wouldn’t it!?

As you wait for the Reds game, tune your TVs over to The Open Championship where things are all clustered at the top.  If I am not watching a Reds game, I can’t think of many sporting events better to watch than a golf major.  In all honesty, my remote will probably be getting a workout around 1:00 as The Open draws closer to an end and the Reds game begins.

But this site isn’t dedicated to golf.  It is dedicated to the Reds.  With that said, let’s break out the BROOOOOOOMS and cheer for the Reds to GOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  1. rfay00

    Shin-Soo Choo CF
    Chris Heisey LF
    Joey Votto 1B
    Brandon Phillips 2B
    Jay Bruce RF
    Todd Frazier 3B
    Zack Cozart SS
    Corky Miller C
    Homer Bailey P)

  2. Hank Aarons Teammate

    I don’t understand Baker and his partitioning of playing time. I get that Miller is going to catch some (though I’d prefer “almost never”). If you are going to play Miller one game vs Pitt, why not make sure to get Mesoraco in for the game vs the lefty?

    In Miller’s career, he has almost no platoon split (30 point difference). Mesoraco, on the other hand, has a 250 point platoon split. It just makes no sense to me.

    • bohdi

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: Good point. I also think that this game means more given the psychological factor that sweeping the pIrates could do to both teams – very positive for the Reds and potentially panic enduring for the pirates. That, and Bronson pitching tomorrow, why not wait and match up the wily vets tomorrow.

      • bohdi

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Good point. I also think that this game means more given the psychological factor that sweeping the pIrates could do to both teams – very positive for the Reds and potentially panic enduring for the pirates. That, and Bronson pitching tomorrow, why not wait and match up the wily vets tomorrow.

        *panic inducing

      • CI3J


        This. There are several documented incidents of Bailey taking subtle jabs at Mesoraco, I think he has made it known he doesn’t want to throw to him.

    • Eric the Red

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: The last two games I’ve noticed Miller in the bullpen late in the game. Anybody know anything about that? The backup catcher usually stays in the dugout.

  3. LWBlogger

    Headed downtown here soon to go to today’s titanic struggle. Sitting way up in 522 I believe.

  4. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Bailey’s refusal to throw to Mesoraco is almost enough for me to not want to sign him to any kind of long term contract. Grow up. Work it out. I’m tired of having to play catchers who can’t hit at all.

  5. LWBlogger

    Actually 528. Still high but better as it is behind the plate.

  6. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Bailey’s ERA to Miller is 2.74 in a small sample. To Hanigan, 3.5. To Mesoraco, 4.36.

    So, if the Reds carried 3 catchers, that means that Miller should catch Bailey every time? It’s just ridiculous.

    For Leake, Mesoraco’s ERA is 3.48, Hanigan’s 4.02, Miller is 4.4.

    I find this all so very lame. In addition, aside from my disapproval of these kind of stats, Homer Bailey is not Greg Maddux. Maddux wants a personal catcher, ok. Bailey isn’t good enough at this point for a personal catcher. Meanwhile, the Reds miss out on their best hitter vs lefthanders, facing a pitcher with the second best ERA+ in the National League.

    • dn4192

      Bailey’s ERA to Miller is 2.74 in a small sample.To Hanigan, 3.5.To Mesoraco, 4.36.

      So, if the Reds carried 3 catchers, that means that Miller should catch Bailey every time?It’s just ridiculous.

      For Leake, Mesoraco’s ERA is 3.48, Hanigan’s 4.02, Miller is 4.4.

      I find this all so very lame.In addition, aside from my disapproval of these kind of stats, Homer Bailey is not Greg Maddux.Maddux wants a personal catcher, ok.Bailey isn’t good enough at this point for a personal catcher.Meanwhile, the Reds miss out on their best hitter vs lefthanders, facing a pitcher with the second best ERA+ in the National League.

      This game is more then just base numbers and sometimes I think people forget that.

  7. AnnapolisHoosier

    A lot of pitchers prefer certain catchers or don’t like throwing to certain catchers. You guys act like this is the first time in the history of baseball that this has happened and Devin Mesoroco ain’t Johnny Bench so lets don’t go overboard. If Homer is more comfortable throwing to Corky or Hanigan than that’s cool with me.

    • hydeman

      A lot of pitchers prefer certain catchers or don’t like throwing to certain catchers. You guys act like this is the first time in the history of baseball that this has happened and Devin Mesoroco ain’t Johnny Bench so lets don’t go overboard.If Homer is more comfortable throwing to Corky or Hanigan than that’s cool with me.

      Its cool with me as well, I think its just a matter of communication and comfort. Miller has a lot of both as does Hanni..

  8. Eric the Red

    Clint Hurdle left a tiring AJ Burnett in too long last night; he didn’t even have his Lefty relievers warming up with Choo and Votto coming to bat. Instead he had Gomez warming up, in hopes he’d get two innings out of him if AJ couldn’t manage to pull things out. So credit our 5th–and winning–run to Hurdle managing to preserve his bullpen instead of managing to win the game.

    • hydeman

      @Eric the Red: Nice to see that this type of gamble happens to other MGr”s as well as Dusty. Weird game last night….just Weird.

  9. Larry1980

    Pitchers prefer certain catchers thats how it is. I wish Dusty would have worked out the rotation so Arroyo would have pitched today. I want a sweep and Corkey Miller is a free out. I am sure he’s a great guy and everything, he cant hit.

    • vegastypo

      @Larry1980: All things considered, I think I’m glad Homer gets to face the Pirates, and let Arroyo pitch in the bigger park in San Fran.

      • YorktownRed

        @vegastypo: Couldn’t agree more, especially with Homer’s success against the Pirates. Go Reds!!!!

  10. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Mickelson out of nowhere to win going away!

  11. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Homer looks like he has his no-hit stuff today.

  12. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Looked like a balk move to me.

  13. vegastypo

    Getting our baserunning blunders out of the way early today? Sheesh …

  14. dg44

    All Choo had to do was slide to the outfield side of the bag and he was easily safe. Throw was way offline. Another TOOTBLAN.

  15. vegastypo

    Reynolds to pitch in the doubleheader game in San Fran …

    • dg44

      @vegastypo: Very happy for Greg. He deserves it. But this is the first I’ve found out about the rained out game in Cincinnati being made up in San Francisco. How the hell is that right?

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        @vegastypo: Very happy for Greg.He deserves it.But this is the first I’ve found out about the rained out game in Cincinnati being made up in San Francisco.How the hell is that right?

        Where have you been? This is old news.

  16. vegastypo

    Getting tired of this Jones guy, too.

    • RedTitan19

      @vegastypo: He does seem to enjoy Reds pitching. I think he has over half his season totals off us. McKenry too. Why do certain guys just feast off certain teams. Mind boggling.

  17. Eric the Red

    I think I’ve figured out why they keep sending Choo even though he gets thrown out nearly every time: they’re trying to lower his value with an eye towards re-signing him. It’s a brilliant plan.

  18. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Reds need to go yard a couple of times today. They have only 3 HRs in the last 10 games.

  19. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Bruce, 0-8 in the series.

    His swing looks long and slow right now.

  20. VaRedsFan

    Brandon should have let Cozart field that.

  21. dg44

    Nice work by Bailey getting out of that. Locke hasn’t given more than 3 ER in any of his last 15 starts, so runs are even more important.

  22. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Is there a worse hitter in MLB than Corky Miller? Pitchers included.

  23. dg44

    Corky Miller reminds me way too much of Terry Forster. C’mon dude, lay off the cheeseburgers.

  24. WedgieSanders

    Idk why people like corky miller… If he was really such a hard worker and good teammate he would drop about 100 pounds.

  25. vegastypo

    Nice comeback inning, Homer!! Nice and quick …

  26. dg44

    Locke is throwing 74% fastballs at an average speed of 90 MPH. Hit the damn ball!

    • vegastypo

      @dg44: It doesn’t look like he actually threw any strikes to Phillips, maybe one or two to Bruce. Can’t chase bad pitches.

  27. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Reds haven’t hit a ball out of the infield in the game through 4 innings.

    Jay Bruce doesn’t have a clue at the plate right now. Hope he “gets a clue” soon.

  28. Richard Fitch

    I would think Miller playing is about rest for Mesoraco, who has a balky back right now. Can’t afford to have those spasms crop up yet again.

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @Richard Fitch: You have to know it’s about Bailey, right? I mean, I can’t prove it, but it seems very likely.

      • Richard Fitch

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Well, it’s certainly more fun to manufacture controversy, but no I don’t know that. What I do know is that Mes had to play last week when he could barely move out there. It would be foolish to run him into the ground, even if it means playing a minor league catcher.

  29. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Corky is just a bad catcher. That wasn’t even good technique.

  30. dg44

    Because Corky weighs 290 pounds he was unable to reach around his gut to catch that ball.

  31. RedZeppelin

    Homer doing his job. Is it going to take two bases-loaded walks by Votto to get Homer the win?

  32. Hank Aarons Teammate

    No team in contention should have Corky Miller as their third catcher. Sorry, I know he’s a cult hero, but he’s an awful baseball player.

    • dg44

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: I had a nightmare that the Reds made the first wildcard spot and started Pedro Villareal and Corky Miller. When they calculate “WAR” those are the players they’re comparing you to. AAA chum.

  33. abox03

    Corky in makes innings like the third, with him leading off and pitcher up next really tough to do anything as it is 2 outs fast.

    This inning coming up, if frazier or cozart get on, you essentially have 2 black holes….tough to score !!

  34. Sergeant2

    Corky looked like an old man trying to get out of a rocking chair after sitting in it for a long time. Hard to believe there’s not a better option somewhere in all of baseball, major and minor league.

  35. VaRedsFan

    Pitched around Cozart to get to Corky.

  36. dg44

    Did you hear Thom or Chris just whisper “This guys sucks” after the walk to Cozart? I just replayed it. He did.

    • abox03

      @dg44: Yes! i was wondering the same thing, I heard it too….were they referring to corky?

      • dg44

        @abox03: They were talking about Locke. After that they spent the next few minutes talking about his poor control and lack of velocity. Very surprising the Reds haven’t blown him up yet.

  37. vegastypo

    Locke looks like he’s getting fatigued …

  38. VaRedsFan

    gift strike on 2-0 to Miller…ball was outside

  39. George Culver

    The Reds know that Any other catcher in the system won’t pass thru waivers after they’re done with him. They don’t want to risk losing any other catcher in the system. Still, pathetic.

  40. VaRedsFan

    Now the will give an out to a pitcher that walked two in a row

  41. vegastypo

    OK, Choo, need ya here !!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Reds still haven’t hit a ball out of the infield but they did get a run.

  43. VaRedsFan

    Reds fan inteferes with hiesey trying to make a catch

  44. vegastypo

    McCutchen was bustin’ it down the line …

  45. dn4192

    For all those ripping Corky, I challenge you to try and catch a 9 inning game in this heat ….

  46. RedTitan19

    Is there any doubt who should be on the mound in a one-game play-in against the Pirates??? Bailey owns those guys.

    • VaRedsFan

      Even if it meant holding Homer out the last game or two. They posted a stat where Homer is lights out with more than 4 days rest.

  47. dn4192

    Has any here cashed in and gotten the free pizza?

  48. Sergeant2

    Is LaRosa’s giving away a whole pizza or just a slice when the Reds get more than 10 strikeouts. What I wouldn’t give for a LaRosa’s steak hoagie.

      • RedLegHerrm

        @dg44: Yeah? So a 1-hitter through 6 (that hit being an infield single) is mediocre?

      • dg44

        @RedLegHerrm: His stuff is mediocre. But the Reds’ hitting is awful so far today. Rewind to just after the Cozart walk. Chris Welch (I don’t think Thom would ever let that slip) agrees that he sucks.

      • RedLegHerrm

        @dg44: He’s toting a 2.11 ERA currently. You don’t get that with mediocre stuff.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        @RedLegHerrm: His stuff is mediocre.But the Reds’ hitting is awful so far today.Rewind to just after the Cozart walk.Chris Welch (I don’t think Thom would ever let that slip) agrees that he sucks.

        Locke has done this every start. You don’t know what your talking about. I guess you thought Greg Maddux had mediocre stuff too.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @AnnapolisHoosier: Locke will not keep this up. You do not survive in MLB long term with 6 K/9 and 4 BB/9.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        @AnnapolisHoosier: Locke will not keep this up.You do not survive in MLB long term with 6 K/9 and 4 BB/9.

        He’s done it for 16 now. Will he be THIS good for the rest of the year? Probably not, but he’s a good pitcher.

  49. RedTitan19

    Just keep hacking guys. That ball will find your bat eventually. It has to right?

  50. RedTitan19

    Homer looks exhausted but still lighting up the radar

  51. vegastypo

    LaRosa needs to open a Southern California location

  52. RedLegHerrm

    Goodness Homer is dealing right now.

  53. RedTitan19

    McKenry sure is a pesky little guy.

  54. vegastypo

    Glad that stayed in the park … Get outta this, Homer!!

  55. George Culver

    Can’t stay with Bailey too long here Dusty.

  56. George Culver

    Too long again Dusty. Trying to get Homer the win may have cost the team a loss.

  57. Hunt4RedsOctober

    That wasn’t a bad pitch that Mercer hit.

  58. vegastypo

    Homer got his 5-hop ground ball, just not close enough to a fielder.

  59. RedTitan19

    I can’t believe what I’m seeing here. All these pitches in a 2-1 game. Now you are ruining his next start

  60. abox03

    people talk about confidence in pitchers….but what does it say to hoover and the bullpen to keep homer in with 120+ pitches after surrendering the lead?

  61. George Culver

    It’s going to get beyond slam range.

  62. BearcatNation

    My goodness, did Baker fall asleep in the dugout?


  63. RedTitan19

    You think there Dusty? Didn’t see things going wrong when the worst hitters on there team were stringing together hits?

  64. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Reds letting this one get away. bailey should have been pulled after the mcKendry double.
    This one’s going to be tough to come back from (yeah, its only 2 runs but the Reds offense is anemic and the Pirates bullpen is the best in baseball).

  65. abox03

    I just dont get it…the bullpen has been shutdown of late….like 2 runs in 50 innings kinda shutdown…..ahhh!!

  66. msanmoore

    That one’son Dusty and not Homer. He’s gassed. Down 1 with a couple innings isn’t a huge deal (though I know we aren’t hitting well). Down 2 is a BIG problem. I say Dusty get’s a “Milton” for that one extra batter.

  67. Hank Aarons Teammate

    And the Reds move to 0-421 on Sunday games.

  68. Hank Aarons Teammate

    We can already write the recap headline: “Oh, it’s fine, the Reds won the series”.

  69. Kyle

    I don’t think Dusty was that bad here frankly. He should’ve pulled him one or two batters earlier but Homer was cruising through that Jones AB. McKenry battled him for 10 pitches and ripped one, a ball found a hole to score him, Barmes hit a weak groundball in a bad spot, then Tabata hit one hard. I probably pull Homer after the Barmes hit, maybe after the Mercer single.

    • vegastypo

      @Kyle: I agree with that. Though I think Dusty should have had someone warming up when the inning started, given Homer’s pitch count. … Hoover didn’t even start warming up until after the double.

      • Prime

        @vegastypo: I thought Chris/Thom mentioned early in the inning that Hoover was ready to go at anytime. He was already warmed up.

      • vegastypo

        @Prime: K, didn’t know that. Radio guys didn’t mention that, I dislike Thom so much that I watch on TV but use radio crew.

    • George Culver

      @Kyle: With a big lead maybe but in a tight game like this one with the pitch count that high? No, that was inexcusable.

      • NastyBoys3

        @George Culver: And Bailey was falling behind to a lot of batters, forced to throw hittable fastballs in that last inning. It’s not like he was cruising 0-2 counts with all of those strikeouts.

    • George Culver

      Pitching around the 9-1-2 hitters to get to Votto speaks volumes.

  70. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Reds have hit one ball out of the infield today (Heisey’s long fly). Now they get to hit against the best bullpen in baseball.

    Odds are against them…but stranger things have happened.

  71. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Good start. Maybe Super Todd will fly in from Krypton!

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @AnnapolisHoosier: The usual problem with Frazier: the pitch was a ball and so he just missed it. He hit it well, but if he swung at strikes he’d be a lot better off.

  72. Johnu1

    I know if I was gonna face the 6-7-8 men in the Reds order, I’d call in Bozo the Clown to pitch.

  73. vegastypo

    Did Dusty hit his head? Pinch hitting for the catcher? I don’t disagree at all, but I thought that was off limits for Dusty …

  74. VaRedsFan

    counter with Devin??? He has to come in anyway.

  75. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Clint Hurdle is managing like his life is on the line. Dusty, not so much.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Speaking of which: Bruce Bochy used 8 pitchers in a 9-inning, 4-3 win last night and Friday night, 6 pitchers in a 9-inning 2-0 win. Dusty is still treating the Reds’ pitching staff like he is trying to build up the starters’ arm strength. Weird and disturbing.

  76. Johnu1

    Dusty left this offense to rot the day he hired Jacoby and the fruits are being harvested.

  77. Sergeant2

    40,824 turned out for today’s titanic struggle, 40,824.

  78. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Thom: “Soto can really hit”. Yeah, his .774 career minor league OPS shows that.

  79. Sergeant2

    Its not much fun watching Hurdle get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

      • vegastypo

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I’m sure that Dusty’s response, if the media even ask him about it, is that with no days off on the road trip that includes a doubleheader, he had to do whatever he could to preserve the pitching staff. (After he bristles, that is.)

  80. antisocial21

    This brook jacoby offense has not looked good today. Seriously, how much longer does Brook have with this team? Our right-handed batters are just awful.

  81. RedLegHerrm

    Hoover’s been lights out as of late.

  82. vegastypo

    Nice job, Hoover, now let’s get a few runs here !!

  83. ToddAlmighty

    Horrible offense aside, in the 7th inning I was just amazed. Not in disbelief, because it’s happened so many times so I kind of had to figure it was going to happen.. I was more amazed at how many times I have sat in front of the TV saying “Hey Dusty, should probably take that starting pitcher out now.” and he leaves them in to blow a tie game or lead.

    Did ANYONE think it was good to let Bailey get up to 121 pitches and blow a 1-1 tie into a 3-1 deficit? Why does Dusty consistently let Bailey go back out there with high pitch counts? If it were anyone else, they wouldn’t be allowed to keep pitching, but apparently it’s cool to watch Bailey get left in there to pass the 120 pitch mark.

    • Hunt4RedsOctober

      @ToddAlmighty: The thing is, he will get shelled in his next start on Friday against the Dodgers. It has happened every time this year when Bailey has thrown 120+ pitches.

  84. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Am I understanding this right that instead of putting Mesoraco in when Paul was taken down, Soto was brought in, and Mesoraco was put in that spot after Soto made out? So, again, Mesoraco is great vs lefties and bad vs righties, and yet his next AB, if they get there, will be against Jason Grilli. Just idiotic. I really do not understand this move.

  85. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    This guy is due for MAJOR correction. 0.76 ERA???

  86. RedTitan19

    I dont like Heisey here. I would almost rather him look at three strikes than swing the bat.

  87. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Nice swing. Just missed it.

  88. BearcatNation

    Please oh please walk him. Bases loaded no outs for Votto? Yes please.

  89. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Time for MVP to take command of this game!

  90. vegastypo

    Wow, let’ go, Joey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  91. RedTitan19

    HAT. Another one of the situations… Let’s go Joey! Destroy

  92. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Time for Votto to make them pay. He is due!

  93. CharlotteNCRedsFan


  94. VaRedsFan

    another “clutch spot”…let’s see what happens

  95. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Okay BP, time to pick Joey up – again.

  96. RedTitan19

    Nothing kills a rally like … Nevermind. Lets go BP

  97. vegastypo

    gawd…………..OK, Brandon, need ya here !!

  98. Hunt4RedsOctober

    Votto has been awful all year in those type situations.

  99. BearcatNation

    Wow. I really am shocked and disappointed. I’m very against all the ridiculous bashing people have for Joey, but that should be a situation where he does better than that.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @BearcatNation: It’s not bashing. It is pointing out facts. I have seen zero bashing of JV but we are well into the season and he needs to start coming up big in those situations. Face the facts.

      The good news is that he is due and will produce. Sooner or later. But this is not the JV of 2010. make no mistake. We don’t need a weak grounder, we need him to drive that ball.

      • BearcatNation

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Bashing him for walking a lot is ridiculous, no matter how you slice it. But you are very right that this isn’t the Votto of 2010.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @BearcatNation: I will give you the walks. I never criticize him for that. He is not delivering in key situations this year for whatever reason.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Nope just pointing out the facts. Is your perception. Any criticism of JV, Bruce or Homer is looked at as basing. I think it is ridiculous. Joey is not getting it done right now. Is he?

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: To me, bashing is stating negative comments that are false. “Votto is not a clutch player”, which is what I’ve been reading a lot of, isn’t true by the numbers. So, therefore, I think it’s bashing. Negative comments that are true by the numbers are not bashing, at least to me.

        Even though I don’t believe in clutch player stuff, if Votto were hitting .150 with RISP, at least the comment would be warranted.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Joey Votto is a “clutch player” historically. He is anything but this year. Se my response post below. Go find them and I will not mention it again. But I watch 95% of the games and these old eyes are not seeing it. Maybe tomorrow but not today nor yesterday, etc. Whereas BP has delivered time-after-time this year and the smart guys say don’t believe your lying eyes.

  100. BearcatNation

    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic there Redlegs.

  101. dg44

    I think Votto is having back problems, something like a partial disk herniation which affects everything. He’s a step slow and his running looks (even more) awkward. That also explains his lack of confidence at the plate.

  102. abox03

    ah yes,…..hitting with RISP……lol

  103. zab1983

    joey just has a tough time driving the ball

  104. hoodlum

    Dat Dude’s AB may have been worse than Votto’s.

  105. RedTitan19

    Didnt look like he was busting it down the line to me…

  106. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Votto is so painfully slow, once again, how can he be 100%? When I saw that ball hit I figured “force at 2nd”. He was out by 15 feet. Good lord.

  107. George Culver

    Pitching around the 9-1-2 hitters to get to Votto speaks volumes. Doesn’t it?

  108. vegastypo

    Hold ’em here, and give Bruce a chance to tie it against Grilli.

  109. Sergeant2

    Bases loaded, nobody out, Reds score one run. The glass half full outlook says, well, it could have been worse.

  110. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Of course, it didn’t take Thom long to savage Votto. I mean, he deserves criticism for that AB—it was awful—but not the Thom unplugged treatment.

    • George Culver

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: No. Votto deserves every bit of the wrath this time as he has been just awful in those situations practically all year. And, yet again.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @George Culver: So, you just state something and it’s true? What you are saying isn’t true, unless you mean strictly speaking with the bases loaded. He’s 1 for 8 with the bases loaded. So, if you think it warranted, go ahead and say he’s incompetent with the bases loaded.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: He is not producing in the big situations. Please go find some examples and I will shut up. Until then, it is what it is. Bases loaded, 2- men on, 1 man on, 1-out, 2-outs, no outs. Go find them and bring them back. Good luck.

  111. zab1983

    Votto pre injury in 2012 was arguably the best hitter on the planet…….I’m pretty sure he didn’t forget how to hit, when your knee isn’t 100%, driving the ball consistently is probably an issue

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @zab1983: His raw power is unchanged. I wonder if the frequency of driving the ball is down. I don’t know that those kind of stats are kept.

      I also think it’s the knee, as I’ve said for a while.

      • MentalGuy

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Votto’s ground all rate is 45.8% this year vs. 41.4% for his career (But even lower the last two years). His line drive rate this year is 25.8% this year vs. 24.9% for his career, but the last two years have been even better.

  112. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Heisey’s AB was interesting—a walk, but by my eyes, Melancon threw 6 balls. He swung at 2, and very nearly swung at the 3-2 pitch.

    Phillips’ AB was as bad as Votto’s.

    And Votto’s was bad.

  113. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Partch is in. That is really dumb. It’s 3-2, for god’s sake.

      • RedTitan19

        @RedTitan19: ok, knock a few percentage points off of that. Ol’ Red looked pretty good out there…

    • kywhi

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: “Of course, it didn’t take Thom long to savage Votto. I mean, he deserves criticism for that AB—it was awful—but not the Thom unplugged treatment.”

      Thom B. was almost as quick to savage Votto as you are Baker at every available opportunity.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @kywhi: Nice try, but not true. I’ve defended Baker many times; I would not criticize him today, for example, for leaving Bailey in the game. I probably would have removed him before Tabata’s single, but had no problem with before that.

        But, you can continue to lie. It’s ok with me.

  114. VaRedsFan

    that tack on run that Dusty/Bailey allowed…loom large

  115. dg44

    If this is the new Joey Votto the Reds should move him into the two-hole. He can walk all he wants. He’s not driving the ball with any consistency, and is not delivering in the clutch. Move up Phillips and Bruce and hit Heisey (and/or soon Ludwick) to fifth.

    • zab1983

      @dg44: just really a black cloud over the Reds at this point in time to me. I’d almost rather see a healthy Votto and Reds not make playoffs than Reds make playoffs with a gimpy Votto

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @dg44: 100% agreement and makes all the sense in the world which means it has exactly 0% chance of happening. Dusty is already managing like he is looking forward to 2014.

    • dg44

      @dg44: Votto’s season SLG is now .504 which is the LOWEST of his career. Prior low 2008 was .506. MVP 2010 year was .600. He’s not healthy.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @dg44: His career SLG is nowhere near .600. So he’s not 100 points below where I’d expect.

        He might not be healthy; I don’t think he is; but we don’t know for sure.

  116. MilnersGhost

    I am so tired of Thom Brennaman, he is the most negative announcer on TV. I can listen to Braves broadcasts and the difference is night and day. I know that wasn’t a great result in that inning, but the team is having a good season, right? The guy that just got Votto and Phillips out is an All-Star with 0.79 ERA…that’s pretty good to score a run off that guy, isn’t it? He won’t shut up about it now.

    • Hunt4RedsOctober

      @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful. All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player that ever played baseball. They just gushed and gushed over him. It was sickening.

      • hoodlum

        @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful.All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player thatever played baseball.They just gushed and gushed over him.It was sickening.

        exactly. jeff francour was the greatest right fielder on the planet, up until the day he was traded. now heyward is the greatest right fielder on the planet. they are the biggest homers you’ll ever hear. but, their troglodyte fans sure do lap it up.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @MilnersGhost: When Thom & Marty start costing the Reds ballgames, I will rag on them with the best of them. Otherwise, I think is a diversion from what is occurring on the diamond and the dugout.

    • cincyreds14

      @MilnersGhost: Dude, check out the Red’s record since June 1st and get back to me – but your answer is ‘NO’ – since the Red’s don’t play the Cubs every other game.

  117. vegastypo

    Nicely done, Curtis !!

    Work your magic, Bruce !!!!!!!!!

  118. nvilleredsfan

    Like many of you, I’m not thinking Votto is anywhere near healthy. To my eyes, he’s looked slow and tentative running for weeks and obviously the power isn’t there. Even with that, the numbers say he’s one of the better hitters in the league and I’m sure he’s going to deliver in those situations many times this year. Tough AB, there, though.

    • dg44

      @nvilleredsfan: He’s hitting like Pete Rose or Rod Carew, just slapping the ball mostly. He really swings hard about twice a game. He’s defensive, I think because he’s injured. This is not the guy we signed a $250 contract for.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @dg44: Then how is his SLG so high compared to those guys? He’s not hitting like them. The stuff I read here, it just makes my head hurt.

  119. George Culver

    I bet Grilli won’t throw that pitch to Bruce again.

  120. zab1983

    How can you not have watched the Reds for the past 4 years and not be thinking that the only thing that matters in the grand scheme of things for my happiness is Votto’s knee eventually being 100 percent? I mean literally nothing else matters to me……Can u guarantee me that he will be 100 percent next year? I would be a lot more comfortable. I mean making the playoffs is a far 2nd place in my mind to Votto’s knee. am i crazy?

  121. RedTitan19

    Bruce’s swing is molasses right now. No chance of catching up

  122. RedTitan19

    Frazier is going to hit the Toyota sign!

  123. RedTitan19

    Almost. Now nobody left to get him in. Hope Cozart is patient

  124. santa barbara reds fan

    I bet no one on this site could announce a game as well as thom, Marty, or Chris. As for thom and Marty’s “negativity” it pales in comparison to the negativity posted on this site!!

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @kywhi: Yeah, that’s brilliant, kind of like saying “Jay Bruce is a better hitter than you are!”. I mean, I hope so.

    • WedgieSanders

      @santa barbara reds fan: actually everyone here could call a better game by not saying a word. I think my ears are bleeding. Thom and Marty have to hate their lives. Can’t imagine how negative they would be if the Reds were less than pretty darn good.

  125. George Culver

    It’s time to dance at the plate. Just walk off, NOW#>

  126. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Can Devin make his mark here? Come on Mes!

  127. Hunt4RedsOctober

    I guess the game recap will be – opportunity missed. Raise the jolly Roger to half-mast!

  128. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Tough, tough lost. DB has to step up his game and take every day like it matters. The margin of error is gone if we have any chance of taking this division. Brutal bullpen (non)management in the 7th. No excuses. Yes JV choked in the 8th but you know the guy is giving it all he has. I’m not sure about Baker.

  129. dn4192

    Sorry, but Mr. Votto is just NOT earning his paychecks so far this season…

  130. BearcatNation

    The Reds make me hate Sundays. So do the Pirates for that matter…

  131. Sergeant2

    A sweep would have been nice, but 2 outta 3 ain’t bad. Onward and upward for the Redlegs from here. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

  132. hoodlum

    pretty disappointing effort. big difference between 3-0 and 2-1 when you trail a team in the standings.

    and now off to the long west coast trip that has caused me many a headache over the years….

    let’s hope an offensive roll is coming soon.

    • cincyreds14

      @hoodlum: Hoodlum, by who – the Reds? I hope your other dream comes true because that ain’t.

  133. MilnersGhost

    And as the game ends, they harp on the negative instead of a series win against one of the best teams in baseball this year.

    I wonder what has to happen for them to be considered good? Welsh said, “It’s tough to manage the around the inability to hit with runners in scoring position.” This was against the #1 bullpen in baseball and a closer who has blown one save all year. Our announcers (Thom mostly) make it sound like it should be easy for us to just go out out and blow them away.

    I know the team has holes, most teams do. Why not stop being a negative Nancy all the time?

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @MilnersGhost: I agree that it’s silly to ignore the other team’s good players. Such as the comment “we need Votto to drive the ball in that situation”. I mean, we’d like Votto to drive the ball every time. Can someone place a percentage on how often he should, and then consider that Melancon is really good?

      That said, I don’t agree with harping on a series win either, when they won the first two and had a shutdown Bailey type game today. It’s disappointing. Nothing to jump off the cliff over, but disappointing.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @MilnersGhost: You should have been here in April & May, it was positive. The hour is getting late and we need to find a way to win games like today. You don’t get them back.

      Now we go to SF and the Giants are playing and being managed like every game is Game 7 of a World Series.

      Bases loaded in the 8th with a pitcher battling his control and #3 & #4 hitters up,and the best we can do is scratch out 1 run with a DP. No that doesn’t turn my crank, sorry.

  134. WedgieSanders

    I know the players missed a lot of opportunities today and didn’t play very well, but I still put this loss square on Dustys shoulders. How obvious does it have to be to pull a guy?

  135. Larry1980

    For those of you who rip Dusty, today you are vindicated again. That 7th inning was terrible. You dont let your pitcher go like that.

  136. ToddAlmighty

    Dusty playing for a starting pitcher win, the Pirates playing for a team win. I feel like we’ve seen this scene before.

  137. RedZeppelin

    Yeah, it’s all Dusty’s fault. His AB with bases loaded in the 8th was embarrassing.

  138. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Re: pitch count for Bailey, if you are going to let a guy throw 120 once in a while, this is the game to do it. A close game where it matters—not a 7-0 game where it doesn’t.

    He gave up a 29 hopper to Mercer and a swinging bunt to Barmes that I think Cozart could have made the play on. So, the result sucked, but not because Bailey was obviously gassed.

  139. dn4192

    So any prediction on the upcoming 11game road trip? I see 4-7 maybe 5-6 if we get a break.

  140. Hank Aarons Teammate

    I don’t also get the idea that Hurdle outmanaged Baker. Hurdle managed to use up his best lefty to face Neftali Soto, preventing a very good Bryan Morris from having to face Xavier Paul. That is insanity, because he really wanted, I assume, Wilson to face Votto and Bruce in the 8th, but he was used up facing a bad hitter.

    Just making moves doesn’t make the moves good.

  141. Larry1980

    The Pirates are 3-0 on Sundays vs the Reds this year.

  142. BearcatNation

    Dusty confirming in the postgame interview that he left Bailey in so he would have a chance to get a win. Wow, just unbelievable.

    Yea sure, why should you care more about the club winning, its not like that’s your job or anything.

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @BearcatNation: OK, if that is true I take back my support of leaving in Bailey. I thought it might have been for a good reason.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: HAT, you are astute and should know better. Dusty is not baseball savvy and you know that better than anyone here. That is a compliment by the way. He has never and will never out-mamnge Clint Hurdle. Hurdle is one of the very best in the game and has proved now for 3-seasons. For the Pirates to post records like they have with guys picked up off the ash heap and marginal Minor League prospects, is commendable. Dusty can’t hole CH’s line-up card.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I don’t watch Hurdle day in and day out, so I have no idea how good he is. Wouldn’t many here say he’s terrible because he “allowed” two collapses in a row? (I would not, but just asking.)

        My point only was that I did not agree with what he did. You can not manage (Baker sometimes), and you also can overmanage. I think Hurdle overdid it and hurt himself (but Melancon picked him up).

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Hank Aarons Teammate: Go back and look at those Rosters. You don’t have to be an Einstein to see he has taken Lemons and made some very tasty Lemonade. He rode those horses until they died. Those teams had zero depth and he had no choice.

        Same thing will probably happen this year. People like to say he uses his bullpen too much early in the season and wears them down for the stretch. Did it ever occur to them, that it may have been necessary to even compete for the first 4 months of the season?

      • cincyreds14

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: The Reds have had numerous opportunities to send the Pirates into a tail-spin. Not this year, Old Dusty Doolittle (that’s pretty good if I may say so myself) and the Reds have let the Pirates walk right off the old plank twice. How nice. Quality Reds teams in the past would have ushered them right off the old plank and into the blue waters, pronto.

      • Antiproton

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I don’t know. I live in Pittsburgh, and the Pirates fans hear have a similar exasperation with Clint Hurdle that many Reds fans have with Dusty Baker. I’ve seen him bat the relief pitcher multiple times just to take him out the next inning. Some here say that Hurdle is the second worst manager in the NL, right behind you-know-who.

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @Antiproton: Yeah, I agree, get some of those guys (Tracy, etc.) that were before Clint and relive the good old days. If Bucs fans don’t want him, I would take him in a New York minute.

    • tpteach

      @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful.All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player thatever played baseball.They just gushed and gushed over him.It was sickening.

      @BearcatNation: This is what drives me most nuts about Dusty (and the list is long). He seems to manage for the players egos and stats MORE than for the win. He will claim it’s a marathon season and allow a win here or there to disappear for the sake of his player-first philosophy.

    • cincyreds14

      @BearcatNation: I try to dispose of any organizations that I hold stock in when a board member or C-level executive makes a horrible statement like that. And we are stuck with that nimrod for another 1 1/2 years? Cripes…

  143. cincyreds14

    Thanks VOTTO – And no you are not an All-Star (what a joke). THE REDS ARE STUCK WITH YOU!

    Would take Paul Goldschmidt any day of the week.

    And Dusty getting out-managed again – gee, where have we heard that before.

    Still don’t think the Reds have anywhere near what it takes to contend. SS (“but he will be a fine 2nd hitter one day”), C, 3B, Dusty, Jacoby, Speir …

    Getting real tired of it – no shake-up and pulling my MLB package at the end of July.


    • BearcatNation

      @cincyreds14: Overreact much? I really hope you are just having a bad day my friend.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @cincyreds14: OK, whatever. But, yes, you are right—Joey Votto is a regular Barry Zito.

      • cincyreds14

        @BearcatNation: Hope you know a little bit more about baseball than you are indicating. Joey has 6 rbis in 12 ABs with the bases loaded this season and 3 of those have come from bases loaded walks. Hope you enjoy watching Joey’s and the Red’s futility the rest of the year. This line-up needs a big shake up or this season is over (and the coming years will be all down hill and only frown on the Reds as the minors are nearly empty). And no the Reds are clearly not playoff caliber unless they plan to play the Marlins, Cubs and the Brew-crew.

      • cincyreds14

        @cincyreds14: Dude, have you been watching the same team everyone else has since June 1st? Today’s game was simply the epitome, good teams sweep the Pirates – mediocre teams lose the 3rd game when they have the table set (bases jammed with no outs)in the bottom of the 8th, down 1 run, and their supposed most prolific hitter coming to the plate and he grounds into a DP. Good teams put a 5 spot up that inning and win going way, mediocre teams squander opportunities and hit less than .200 with RISP. Watch a few Cards games, that should help you zero in on what very good teams do versus blatant mediocrity. Have a few vintage albums of radio feeds from the Red’s 1970 and 1972 seasons. The albums are jammed packed with quality baseball – something this manager and his coaches and his star players know so little about.

    • CharlotteNCRedsFan

      @cincyreds14: Don’t cancel. Take a couple of games off and watch the Giants play for, what seems, their very lives. Actualy very inspiring and I like the D-Backs.

      • cincyreds14

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Charlotte, been a Reds fan for over 40 years (almost 45) – but this is the most frustrating team I have followed. I remember when they were bad – and everyone expected them to be bad (Reds pitchers not being able to get past the 4th w/o giving up 4 or 5 runs on an average night). But they could always hit – until this year. When half your line-up is a non-factor then its time to hang up any hopes for success. Normally start watching MiLB and hope to find a diamond in the rough. Somebody mentioned Lutz, but he’s only hitting around .223 at AA – not much hope there, and with B Hamilton scuffling at AAA, not much brightness on the horizon. It’s going to be a gloomy day down at the old ball yard for a very long time. Time to turn the sights to football. This Red season is DUST!

      • CharlotteNCRedsFan

        @cincyreds14: Me too and I can appreciate where you are coming from but I live for the 6-months of baseball and will root for my boys no matter the situation. I really believe that if we canned this joke of a manager, we would be right there.

        Yes, this not the JV we have come to know and love but you bat him after Choo in the second spot, this lineup would take off. MVP still has a “lot” of value but right now it is not as a run producer but as a table setter, there is none better. Put BP, Bruce, Fraz, Heiesy after the top two and the offensive production will improve enough to compete with the better teams. Maybe even offset DB’s deficiencies.

        If we stand pat with the current line-up and bullpen (pitching) management, I agree we won’t even get a WC slot but I’m not giving up. Getting rid of Baker should be the main desire of any true Reds’ fan.

      • cincyreds14

        @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Charlotte, thank-you, you always make me smile. And its real hard to give up the ship on a 45 year relationship. So like I have been doing since the late 60s – I will continue following the Reds, even though as you concurred, this team, as it is, has nary a chance to be a real factor. I did have such high hopes for this season but sadly they don’t look up to it.

  144. cincyreds14

    Thanks for concern Bearcat. Hope you can enjoy this Red’s team the rest of the year. I have you heard about the “all-in” line? All-in? Look at the reds record since June 1st – yea that’s all in – and here comes the Cubs!

      • rhayex

        Basic math says otherwise.

        Three games behind the Pirates… Close.

        Four-five games behind the Cardinals… Less close, but still manageable.

        Ten and a half games ahead of the Cubs… Yeah.

        But no. The Cubs are much closer to the Reds, you’re right.


      • cincyreds14

        @rhayex: Factor in that the Reds are chasing better teams – that what most prognosticators do. Oh, that’s right they drink Hudepohl, Schoenlings and Stroh’s back east. Not Coor’s – the beer of the Rocky Mountain region.

      • kywhi

        @cincyreds14: If the current season is this painful for you, maybe you just ought to stop watching. I’d hate to read your reaction if the Reds had lost this very important series instead of taking two of three and gaining a full game on a team (and manager) that you believe to be so superior to the team you say you support.

      • cincyreds14

        @kywhi: Dude, go to NY and Philly and listen to their fans, then report back, as they care so much more about their teams than many supposed Reds fans in the Tristate area who care more about their frilly manicured lawns than the local team. And from ‘kyshi’ I take it you are living smack in the middle of manicured city (Northern Kentucky – just outside Cincy?).

      • cincyreds14


        And btw, go listen to some feeds from Lou Pinella, Pete Rose etc. when they were leading the Reds. Men who had the fire in their belly to share their utter disgust with poor baseball. Dude, I am definitely not the 1st nor will I be the last to do so – too many fans have put up with toothpick for half a dozen years that they don’t even call him out when he fails to argue a bad call that the ump definitely got wrong – Pete and Lou sure wouldn’t have done that that and neither should you.

      • cincyreds14


        And btw, go listen to some feeds from Lou Pinella, Pete Rose etc. when they were leading the Reds. Men who had the fire in their belly to share their utter disgust with poor baseball. Dude, I am definitely not the 1st nor will I be the last to do so – too many fans have put up with toothpick for half a dozen years that they don’t even call him out when he fails to argue a bad call that the ump definitely got wrong – Pete and Lou sure wouldn’t have done that that and neither should you.