Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….rntitanic-copy

Seattle 4
Cincinnati 13

W: Latos (8-2)
L: Bonderman (1-3)


— The Reds’ victory coupled with the Pittsburgh’s loss pulls the Reds to within 3.5 games of the first place Pirates. It was the club’s 30th win at home. They scored 13 runs without benefit of a home run or sacrifice bunt.

— Substitutes Jack Hannahan and Cesar Izturis led the Reds scoring attack. Hannahan was 3-4 with two RBI and two runs scored. Izturis was 2-4 with three RBI.

Jay Bruce, mired in “another one of his patented funks” (M. Brennaman) was 2-4, with a walk, three RBI and scored four runs.

Shin-Soo Choo had two hits and a walk, Ryan Hanigan was 1-3 with two walks, and Mat Latos delivered a key, 2-out double driving in two runs.

— Despite some shaky moments, the bullpen added three innings to their streak of no earned runs given up on this homestand. Manny Parra has become Sean Marshall, except healthy.

Mat Latos struck out 11 Mariners. Imagine his record without five blown saves.


— Mat Latos walked four Mariners and gave up six hits and four earned runs.

Derrick Robinson had two misplays in left-field.


— The Reds won a game they were supposed to, in contrast to the previous night. For a few innings, Seattle looked like they were going to be pesky again, instead of the Mariners. Eventually the Reds got to starter Jeremy Bonderman. They play the rubber match tomorrow at 1:10.

— During the game it was announced that three Reds had made the All-Star team. Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips were voted by the fans to start for the National League and Aroldis Chapman was chosen for the pitching staff. Many are commenting about Jay Bruce missing out, but I’d add Shin-Soo Choo to that list. He’s having at least as good of an offensive season as Bruce.

— When you first saw the headline of this post, you probably though you were accidentally at The Onion. Seriously, it was great to see the bench players make major contributions when they were put in the starting lineup. They need to see the field occasionally to stay somewhat sharp.

TOP GAME THREAD COMMENTS (ironic and otherwise)

renbutler: The Reds will be lucky to score 15 today with this lineup.

rfay00: This team can’t hit with two outs and RISP.

— wildwestLV: Bruce. What a bum.

Richard Fitch: The mighty 2 hole does it again. I’d put Votto there. 1. Choo 2. Votto 3. Phillips 4. Bruce.

Mwv:  Just remember this game the next time we play the Cards and I have to hear/read about clutch and hitting with runners in scoring position a gabillion times.

Steve grew up in Cincinnati as a die-hard fan of Sparky’s Big Red Machine. After 25 years living outside of Ohio, mostly in Ann Arbor, he returned to the Queen City in 2004. He has resumed a first-person love affair with the Cincinnati Reds and is a season ticket holder at Great American Ball Park. The only place to find Steve’s thoughts of more than 140 characters is Redleg Nation. Follow his tweets @spmancuso.

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  1. Was at the game – my first ever in Cincinnati after following this team from the West Coast for the past 35 years. Thoroughly enjoyed it – especially the win. I don’t recall the Robinson miscues.

    Was uber-frustrated at The bullpens inability to throw strikes. Felt like 50 walks in the last three innings.

    Hanahan was fabulous, including a great defensive play for the final out.

    BP was stinging the ball all night, but mostly right at Seattle defenders. Had to laugh when, right after being announced an All-Star, he had trouble picking up the ball from the outfield grass. Took him three attempts.

    Great win!

  2. Nice looking win.

    It’s difficult to complain too much about the all star roster, when BP nor Votto should really be starting, and Chapman’s inclusion is questionable as well.

    • @CP: Phillips, I’ll give you. He’s an AS, but probably shouldn’t start. Who should start ahead of Votto? Goldschmidt? By WAR, he’s dead even, and Votto’s been the better hitter

      • @Jason Linden: I also give Votto a slight edge. Like Votto, he dropped off in June. It’s close.

      • @Jason Linden: Perhaps Votto has a slight edge offensively, although I doubt it. Kinda raises the age old debate of what’s more valuable, slugging or OBP…

        But Votto has been pretty bad defensively (10 errors at 1B=yikes) and Goldschmidt is a better baserunner. WAR is a great stat and all, but it just isn’t a good as a mid season comp. We all know the fielding stats aren’t accurate as is, much less over a 85 game sample.

        And I downplay the traditional counting stats and all, but 5 more HR, 30+ RBI, more doubles, 5 more stolen bases is a little too much to ignore. Votto is amazing and all, but having a < 70 wRC+ hitter i the #2 spot, and a league average hitter in the #4 spot is suppressing Votto's production.

  3. Yeah CP those guys SUCK.

  4. Choo an All-Star? Uh, no. Nice player, not an All-Star.

    • @redskaph: By WAR, he’s been the fifth best NL OF. I don’t think it’s a huge snub, but he has a case.

    • @redskaph: Well, yes, offensively he is an all star. Defensively, as a CF, that pulls him down a bit.

      Shin Soo Choo is not a “nice player”. How many players, let alone leadoff hitters, post a .417 OBP? The answer is, other than Votto, nada.

  5. Dodgers just traded for Ricky Nolasco, thus completing the Marlins’ utter demolition of any semblance at attempting to field a team. It is now Stanton and AAAers.

  6. Who would have thought Hannahan and Izturis would be the stars of the game?

  7. Also, Shin Soo Choo is having a better offensive season than Jay Bruce.

    The closest player hitting wise (low OBP, high SLG) to Jay Bruce is actually Pedro Alvarez. And Alvarez is having a slightly better offensive season. And if I’m remembering correctly, Alvarez is not generally highly thought of around these parts.

    Bruce is having a good season, but nothing great. People seem to forget that baseball is a game of comparison.

  8. Mujica deserved to go over Chapman also. Of course, MLB wants (and should want) Chapman in the game.

  9. Puig should easily win the vote. He’s up against four good, solid, really boring players.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Dunno if that was totally intentional, but it seems MLB would be real happy if Puig is selected.

      • @Johnu1: You have to know that MLB wants Puig in there … from a big city team, a red-hot player, great for ratings, etc, but this way, they can truly say it’s what the fans wanted when he wins this vote.

        I liked what Brantley said about Puig’s limited time in the majors. It was something like, “A great 30 games is Player of the Month, not an All-Star.”

  10. Its been a while since the Reds put up a crooked number like that hasn’t it?

    Good to see the bench players step up to the plate (no pun intended) and get some fire sparked in the team. Maybe that’s what the Reds needed, a good swift kick in the rear from the vets. Because let’s face it, no one wants to be outdone by the old guys.

    As for the All Star selections, I am glad to see that Votto and Phillips got the starting nods, especially after the total snub last year for the latter. Granted, I would have liked to have seen Choo and Bruce in the outfield, but – the aforementioned that were selected are superior and give the NL(Reds? :D) the best chance for homefield advantage come the WS. Even with Leake’s low numbers in Ks and such, I still think he deserved a spot out of the fact that he was just completely dominant for a long stretch there.

    At any rate, congratulations to Votto, Phillips and Mr. 105 for making the ASG. Here’s to them representing the Reds well, and here’s to the second half. /raisebeermug

    • @TraviXDM: Been a while? Uh.. was it Monday or Tuesday that we whomped the Giants 8-1 in a 6 inning called game? Too easy to forget the good points when you have a few of the bad ones shoved in your face.

      • @Mwv: By crooked number, I mean a double digit thrashing like this. Granted, that 8-1 called game could have very easily been 15-1 or so, but we’ll never know. I’m trying to remember the last time they won with 10+ runs on the board.

  11. More times this year than they did all of last year actually if I remember right. It just seems like less due to the recent west coast trip. They’re a solid offensive team.

    • @Mwv: Before today, June 11th vs the Cubbies they scored a dozen.

    • @Mwv: Yeah, I realize that. I am merely trying to remember when the last time they put up 10+ runs in a game was. I think it has been a few weeks, maybe even a month or so.

      The Reds have always had trouble on the west coast. I realistically, never expect them to win by 10+ runs in those ballparks, not even with the offense they had, no matter how solid. As always though, make a believer out of me.

      Have a good night everyone, going to swim to the store since half the county is under water at the moment.

  12. Marty is so angry and just says stupid crap. It might be time to put him out to pasture.

  13. It would sure be nice if we could do this against a winning team.

  14. The 2 out hits with RISP just went up again. And again. In bumches. Save it boys.

  15. I demand that Hannahan and Izturis be checked for steroids… or stunt doubles.

  16. Went to the game. First great to meet Jim Maloneyand Johnny Edwards who were signing at the Refs HOF today. As for game couldn’t tell if Latos was getting squeezed by the ump or trying to paint corners.

    As for All star selection, to pick Chapman over Leake or Latos is a joke….

  17. Just got the Little Cossacks tucked into bed after returning from the game tonight and the Old Cossack just had to post before putting the old bones down for the night.

    The Reds do an over/under contest with a fan during the game. Tonight I coundn’t believe my ears when they started the scoreboard display for the contest. The contestant they picked was none other than … wait for it … RICHARD FROM SPRINGBORO :O

    • @Shchi Cossack: I’m no longer buying this act that you are 80 years old if you have little Cossacks running around…unless you are a Hollywood star, then I might believe it.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Well, Mrs. Cossack might want to debate that point with you. I do have one humerous encounter to share one regarding that discussion although it has nothing to do with the Reds, but since you brought it up…

        I was applying for a mortgage loan and was completing the application in the broker’s office. Mrs. Cossack was working and unavailable to meet us so I was completing the application myself. The broker asked if I wanted to fill out a joint application or a single application and I opted to do both, so he called Mrs. Cossack to get her vitals for the joint application. While he was getting the information from her and entering it into the electronic application, he suddenly paused and got this really strange grin on his face (he had just completed her date of birth on the application). Once he finished with Mrs. Cossack’s information, he hung up so we could finish the application ourselves. As soon as he hung up, he stood up and reached his arm and hand across the desk as he said, “Sir, I just want to shake your hand!” That was several years and several Little Cossacks ago.

  18. Reds went from .179 to .192 just today, in 2 outs/RISP.

    I expect that number to keep rising, and the RISP with < 2 outs to fall from it's current .305. And Marty won't know what to do with himself.

  19. As for the All-Stars, I can understand BP, Votto, and Chapman. Deciding on who starts can always be a headcase and controversy. So, I won’t get into that. But, I believe BP and Votto definitely deserved to be on the roster anyhow, maybe more of a tossup for Chapman, which still isn’t anything to sneeze at.

    As for WAR, CP is correct, WAR isn’t that good a stat just to take it as one individual stat, just like looking at any single stat. If you just look at WAR, then players like Andrelton Simmons gets selected and players like Sterling Marte get left out the All-Star game. Shoot, Puig already has a WAR of 2.3 in only a month of playing? Really? Beltran is having a better year than Bruce, but Bruce has a higher WAR? Really? Even baseball-reference.com states, “There is no one way to determine WAR.” If there is no one way to determine WAR, how can you really look to use it singularly? In short, WAR is just like any other stat, you can’t look at it singularly.

    • @steveschoen: Offensive WAR is a much more reliable stat because of the difficulty of measuring defense.

      As for Puig, why is it surprising that he has 2.3 WAR? He’s played a bit less than 1/5 of the season. I’d venture to guess that if someone plays a full season and hits .400, slugs .700, that they’d be around 10 to 11 WAR.

      Also, you misquoted or misunderstood what CP was saying. He said WAR that includes defense isn’t great as a midseason stat because of the small sample of defense you get. (I actually think that the defensive WAR is relatively useless.)

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Reliable maybe, but it isn’t and never will be the tell-all end-all, just like every stat out there, for the same reasons I gave plus so many others. Not to mention, for me, if there isn’t one specific way to calculate it, then it ends up being pretty much one’s own opinion.

        Remember, OBP use to be an “advanced metric”. Now, it is pretty much an everyday stat.

  20. Puig always gave people more reason to vote for him tonight: 0-4 with 4Ks against SF. And my Beat The Streak ended at 10 tonight 🙁

  21. Redlegs won on my wedding day!! Is it an addiction when I’m checking the score as I’m walking up to the alter? Will be keeping an eye on this site for game recaps when I’m on my honeymoon. Enjoy this reds fans! It’s fun!

  22. Biggest snub to the Reds on the AS Game selections was the pitching staff. Second best staff in the NL and only Chapman. Guess it will help at arbitration time.

  23. Should be a good matchup for the Reds today. Saunders splits are not good.

  24. Wish Bailey was going today instead of Arroyo, however.

  25. I agree with Richard Fitch about Votto batting 2nd. I’d even give some thought to having him lead off.

  26. The Reds have been hitting a lot of solid line drives and sharp ground balls recently that have been tough outs. Last night, the trend continued early in the game, but later those sharply hit balls started finding the field and wall rather than gloves and we all saw the result. The two significant exceptions are Robinson and XP, who have been striking out a lot recently. Let’s hope XP’s injury is simply a day-to-day issue and those two can start having better AB. The Reds need a reasonably solid performance from Robinson, XP & Heisey until Ludwick can return to productivity. With the good games by Hannahan & Izturis yesterday, Heisey is now the only position player hitting below .200, not a real accomplishment, but at least some progress for the reserves.

    • @Shchi Cossack: About the bench guys, it was good to see a couple of them do well and come up big in an imnportant win yesterday.

      However, for years I have been asking why is it that other teams always seem to have a guy to bring off the bench that nobody really wants to face in a tough situation; and, the Reds never seem to have that sort of guy.

      • @OhioJim: I don’t know that it’s money (saving money on the bench; this is what I kind of thought might be the case, but they paid 4M for 2 years of Hannahan…). It is bad, though.

        • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Whether it is Jocketty or Baker or a combination of both of them, it seems to me like it could well be a matter of organizational philosophy.
          They pick guys essentially for back up/ positional roles; and, a role which doesn’t seem to be on their list is PH.
          A lot of teams create the spot for the PH by going with just 4 pure OF or 1 true back up infielder. I guess they presume that a guy who can play CF or middle infield can cover the respective corners as need be.

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About Steve Mancuso

Steve grew up in Cincinnati as a die-hard fan of Sparky's Big Red Machine. After 25 years living outside of Ohio, mostly in Ann Arbor, he returned to the Queen City in 2004. He has resumed a first-person love affair with the Cincinnati Reds and is a season ticket holder at Great American Ball Park. The only place to find Steve's thoughts of more than 140 characters is Redleg Nation. Follow his tweets @spmancuso.


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