Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL — 6 innings
San Francisco 1
Cincinnati 8

W: B. Arroyo (7-6)
L: M. Kickham (0-3)

–A rain-shortened win is still a win!

–Bronson Arroyo allowed one run on two hits and a walk over six strong innings. Just when the Reds needed a lift, Arroyo was there to provide it. As usual.

–The Redlegs finally broke out the bats today, led by Todd Frazier, who was 2-3 with two runs scored and 4 RBI. Three of those runs batted in came on a long homer in the third inning that broke the game wide open.

–Brandon Phillips and Jay Bruce were each 2-3 with two runs scored. Ryan Hanigan reached base three times (2-2 with a double and a walk). Zack Cozart drove in two runs, on a double and a sac fly. Derrick Robinson doubled and drove in two runs.


–It’s kinda crazy that the Reds have had so much regular season success against the Giants at Great American Ballpark. Y’ know, because San Fran came to the Queen City and put a hurting on the Reds in three straight games during last year’s National League Division Series.

–For those of you wondering: yes, Bronson Arroyo does get credit for a complete game.

–Doesn’t it seem like the Reds always struggle against rookie pitchers? Not today, as they lit up Giants rookie lefthander Mike Kickham.

–A win’s a win. The Reds are eleven games over .500 now, and Homer Bailey will face Tim Lincecum tomorrow evening in game two of this series. Go Reds.

Source: FanGraphs

80 Responses

  1. bucknut51

    In terms of the actual game, I agree. There were no negatives. However, tonight was a great opportunity to deplete the giant bullpen and the rain ,well, rained on our hit parade.

    • pinson343

      Game 3 continues to haunt. So does Game 5.

      Shchi Cossack made the first comment on tonite’s game thread: “I still contend that the Bruce AB in game 5 was pure baseball poetry and then the mighty Casey … blah, blah, blah … we know the rest.”

      It was the stuff of a poem, or of a Hollywood script, Bruce and Romo locked in to a duel that would decide the season. Whose season would end, anyway. I had time to remember Bench’s 9th inning HRs when the Reds were on the verge of losing a playoff game or series, and to fantasize about how the crowd would roar when Romo caught a little too much of the plate and Bruce would send one into orbit.
      That feeling alternated with an anxiety that the season was about to end with an ignominious home sweep, the first home sweep of the season. As we know, Bruce blinked first.

      Romo was honest about how nervous he was and how it helped his confidence.
      Even today there’s an article about that AB on the Giants web site:

      The article is about both Romo and Bruce and has interviews with both, but is not posted on the Reds site. Almost half of the article was about Bruce, but one can understand why it’s not on the Reds site.

  2. earl

    Reds need those Giant starters to keep slumping and put a hurt on them the next three games.

    It would be nice if they could get some momentum going in this last week before the break.

    • pinson343

      @earl: I want a sweep of the Giants, not so much because of last year, which can’t be undone. The Giants are reeling and wounded, the pitching match ups are good, it’s a big opportunity to make up ground.

      And Hernandez is not pitching in the Seattle series. A 6-1 (or better) home stand would be nice.

  3. CI3J

    For Todd Frazier, I really wish he would have long practice hitting sessions where he was thrown nothing but outside breaking pitches, some for balls, some for strikes.

    If he could learn when to swing and when to lay off balls out there, he could be a real offensive force, a right handed Jay Bruce. Hope the hitting coach is working with him on it.

    • seat101


      I usually wish for world peace and/or a flying car. But your wish is very unselfish!

    • pinson343

      @CI3J: I agree, but it won’t be easy for him. Part of the problem is Frazier’s pride in his ability to hit bad pitches.
      On mlbnetowrk some guys were saying how Todd has remarkable bat speed when he’s out in front on a swing.

      There’s an article on the Reds mlb.com site about this. Todd says: “For me, my pitch selection is pretty bad right now. I’ve been working with the hitting coaches, understanding to look for a pitch but at the same time don’t be too overly aggressive. I’m an aggressive swinger. I hit bad pitches well, so sometimes I get a little overzealous with that.”

      If Todd could learn to better judge when to swing …

      • Big Ed

        @pinson343: Votto needs to give Frazier the book by Ted Williams, whose mantra is “Get a good pitch to hit.” Roberto Clemente and Vlad Guerrero aside, that is hitting in a nutshell. Frazier is a good low ball hitter, so everybody is entitled to their own definition of a “good pitch to hit,” but the low outside slider almost always falls outside that definition.

        Frazier is a smart, well-grounded guy, so I think he will do whatever it takes to keep getting better. He is an easy guy to root for.

    • earl

      As much as anything with good bad ball hitters, it’s knowing what pitches you can hit and laying off the one’s you can’t drive. Vlad Guerrero was deadly if you missed low, as he would just clobber some pitches up there like he was a golfer. Kirby Puckett seemed to be able to tomahawk high pitching with no problem.

      There are definitely some balls that Frazier’s odd swing can hit well. He seems to have a bit of a knack for launching some outside pitches to the opposite field. Supertodd just needs to know the limits of that reach.

      • CI3J


        I remember Vlad and Puckett. Mo Vaughn is another guy I remember punishing pitches low in the zone.

        Todd’s swing does lend itself to getting to some of those pitches, and as Pinson says, he prides himself on it a bit. However, like you said, he needs to learn his limit. I hope with more experience, that understanding will come. He’s very close to being a hitter to be taken seriously….. If he could patch this one hole. So close….

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @CI3J: Unfortunately, that one thing is one very hard and relatively unlikely thing to change. Not that it could not happen, but it doesn’t usually happen.

    • TC

      @CI3J: Todd Frazier has perhaps the ugliest swing in the majors. But I love that guy.

  4. Josh

    .243 10 HR 41 RBI for Frazier has of 7/1.. Not bad, just wish he could up between .260 and .275 though. If this team had a RH # 4 to play LF, like a Puig or Stanton, this team would really take off, it would settle down the rest of the lineup.Obviously that will not happen so hopefully we develop someone of that caliber.

    • CI3J


      If that average went up, so too would the homeruns. Think about it: if he didn’t strike out so much on pitches out of the zone, how many times would that have forced the pitcher to throw a strike that he in turn could hit/crush?

      I think it is fair to say to say he could have at least 2-3 more HR in that scenario. He has 71K now. Let’s say he turned 25 of those into contact. That would mean he would have about 7 more hits, all things being equal. With his power, isn’t it easy to imagine a few of those hits going out? Also, this would raise his average to right around .270 and his OBP would be around .370.

      Some on here seem to think ‘Frazier is Frazier’, but I still hold out hope he can adjust and become a .275/.370 guy with 25HR power. He’s not that far off as it is.. Just 7-8 more hits, which he could could get if he could learn to stop chasing some pitches….

      • Lost and Found

        Reminds me of Crash Davis’ rant in Bull Duraham about .300 hitters.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @CI3J: Well, first, if Frazier didn’t strike out on pitches out of the zone, he wouldn’t be Frazier. He has tremendous power, but even for him 7 batted balls won’t be 2-3 HRs.

        The problem I see is this: yes, a hitter can theoretically stop swinging at pitches out of the zone. But, (1) it’s hard, and (2) would Frazier be the same hitter on pitches *in* the zone? For example, maybe Frazier’s eyes aren’t as good as Votto’s. Perhaps he just cannot identify pitches as early. If that were the case, if he stopped swinging at pitches out of the zone, he might also stop swinging at some pitches in the zone that he currently tattoos.

        Again, it’s possible for him, just that most players do not fix this sort of problem in the bigs.

      • Lost and Found

        @Hank Aarons Teammate:

        I think his pitch recognition is better than it seems at times. Last I saw his %BB was around 10%. Perhaps he has a specific ‘blind-spot’ but overall that is pretty good.

        From some of the comments above wrt to Fraziers quotes, it certainly seems that he expands the zone on-purpose sometimes. Perhaps the maturation he could make would be to be more selective as to when he does that?

    • TC

      @Josh: Stanton I can sort of get behind if it weren’t for the price they’d have to pay for him. Anybody who wants Puig on this team should go back and watch that brawl between the Dodgers and Diamondbacks. I believe there is a right way to conduct yourself in a brawl and a wrong way.

      • CP

        @TC: And where does Johnny Cueto fit into your rules of conduct for brawls? 😉

      • pinson343

        @CP: I know you’re joking, but Cueto has gotten a bum rap for his “conduct” during the Cardinal brawl. The guy was trapped and on the verge of getting crushed. The LaRussa/Chris Carpenter account on espn after that game – with Cueto as the chief villian of the brawl – has been taken as the gospel truth.

        A highly respected and generally fair broadcaster for the Padres had this to say last year: “If Tony LaRussa wants to keep a guy off the all start team for kicking a defenseless man in the face, I don’t have a problem with that.”

        For the media take to be true, Cueto would have to be a martial artist. It wasn’t LaRue who was flat on his back with bodies falling toward him, it was Cueto.

      • CP

        @pinson343: Look, I like Cueto, but the guy deserves a bum rap for repeatedly kicking someone (who was pretty much a non-aggressor & defenseless) in the head. I get why Cueto did what he did, he was scared, but that doesn’t excuse his actions. Puig was closer to serious injury than Cueto.

        The Cards’ story has some false elements (Cueto as the chief villain when BP probably takes that title) and all, but it’s probably closer to the truth than saying Cueto was almost crushed.

        Baseball fights are just dumb. Cueto shouldn’t have been out there in the first place.

      • Eric the Red

        The Cards’ story has some false elements (Cueto as the chief villain when BP probably takes that title)

        Molina deserves blame for starting that fight, not BP.

      • CP

        @Eric the Red: Right…remind again who publicly made derogatory comments about the other team, then initiated physical contact almost immediately thereafter?

        What BP said about the Cards is true, imo. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t cause the entire thing. I dislike Carpenter & LaRussa as much as anyone, but Molina’s actions were perfectly justified in my opinion. Telling BP (or any man) not to touch him again is perfectly respectable in my book.

      • Eric the Red

        @CP: Molina chose to turn yapping in the media and BPs normal friendly gesture into a fight. End of story.

      • TC

        @CP: I purposely avoided the Cueto question. But since you asked, what Cueto did was not out of malice but that still does not excuse him. He did not conduct himself properly. Puig’s actions on the other hand were far and away more malicious. I get that he had a legitimate gripe, but the guy who hit him (Grienke) wasn’t on the field during the brawl. Puig came out of the dugout with the obvious intent of seriously hurt someone. Anyone.

      • CP

        @TC: I was just playing…although, I think there is nugget of truth hidden there somewhere. See Bengals’ fans embracing James Harrison this season if he puts up the #s. Or how Philly fans embraced Pete Rose…

        In other situation, both Cueto and Puig acted out of fear. And as a wiser man once said:

        “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suspension”

        That sentence may or may not be paraphrased.

      • TC

        @CP: You ARE a wise man. But what I saw from Puig, there was no fear there. He was the aggressor.

  5. Lost and Found

    More importantly than a complete game for your fantasy players out there, bronson also gets a QS!

    Last night worked out perfectly, got a multi-run lead early, bronson was getting outs, and the bullpen got an unexpected break after cueto’s injury shortened start Friday and extras on Saturday.

  6. down with dusty

    I’ll have to amend my thinking to “the reds always struggle against rookie pitchers that I have heard of.” Seriously, who was this guy? Who cares? He couldn’t have come along at a better time. Let’s keep it going against Lincecum tonight.

    • TC

      @down with dusty: The Giants were forced to pull this rabbit from the stew before he was done simmering. Give him a few years and he will be another tough pitcher from the Giants.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @TC: Possibly, though he’s not rated that highly as a prospect.

      • Matt WI

        @TC: In the brief part of the broadcast I saw on ESPN last night, the announcers mentioned that once upon a time, Zach Wheeler was a Giant and they’re missing him now.

  7. WVRedlegs

    The secret to success, getting your starting pitcher some early runs.
    I can only imagine, but for the Reds starting pitchers, getting early runs must be like walking into a Krispy Kreme donut shop and ordering three hot glazed donuts off the belt and a nice tall glass of ice cold milk. Almost heaven.

  8. zab1983

    dusty crediting the offensive outburst to being more aggressive and swinging earlier in the counts last night. what do u guys think of this?

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @zab1983: I didn’t see that, but I’d credit the outburst to facing a pitcher with a 5 ERA in AAA this year.

      Baker is embarrassing. He was just told how bad the Reds are on first pitches the other day.

    • prjeter

      @zab1983: I agree with HAT; Baker perhaps hasn’t been wathing when being overly agressive has got the Reds in trouble seemingly 3/4 of the time. With that said, I was thinking during the first few innings last night, “Man, this guy sure is coming right at them.” I’m glad they were agressive last night, but there’s a time and a place for everything. Against a rookie pitcher, yes, be aggressive. Against veterans or aces, you need to make sure they give you something to hit and you aren’t gifting them 6-10 pitch innings. I think the Reds did the well, mostly, against Darvish; he’s just really good.

    • RedManifesto

      @zab1983: I don’t get why it has to be patience vs. aggressiveness at the plate. If you’re a smart hitter, you practice both, on every pitch count, be it the 1st or the 12th. If it’s a good pitch to hit, swing. If it’s a bad pitch, take it. Just because some manager preaches aggression doesn’t mean he wants his players to haphazardly hack at every first pitch.

      Perhaps the philosophy exists because not every player is a smart hitter, I don’t know. But my contention is that if you’re in the Bigs, you’ve got to be a smart hitter.

      I know not everyone is Joey Votto but if I were the Reds, I’d have Joey be the hitting coach because, hey, why not? 🙂

      • TraviXDM

        @RedManifesto: Dusty would never have Votto as his hitting coach. The whole lineup would be walking then! We’re not going to walk our way to victory! Swing early, swing often!

        In all seriousness, when Votto does retire and becomes a coach of a sort, whatever team picks him up as a hitting coach, just watch out. A very dangerous lineup will be present.

      • TC

        @TraviXDM: Umm, not to defend some of Dusty’s statements, because… well, how could you. But:

        Aggressive Means:
        1.) If the ball is inside your zone, put it in play.
        2.) Do not leave the bat on your shoulder for a called strike.

        Aggressive Does Not Mean:
        1.) Swing at anything
        2.) Swing early and often
        3.) Be careless with your strike zone
        4.) Walks are bad

        The Reds Z-Swing% is 67.9%, good for 3rd best in all the majors. That means they swing at pitches inside the strike zone 67.9% of the time. A sign of being aggressive.

        The Reds O-Swing% is 29.6%, good for 10th best in all the majors. That means they swing at pitches outside the strike zone 29.6% of the time. A sign of your hitters don’t swing at junk. (Also known as patience)

        The Reds approach is fine. Being aggressive is good so long as it’s balanced with not swinging at junk.

        But here’s the problem NOT being addressed:
        The Reds are 25th in Z-Contact%, meaning they are 25th (out of 30 teams) at making contact on pitches inside the strike zone. Now I’m not a hitting expert, but that seems to indicate one of the following to me: the Reds hitters are crappy hitters, need to have their eyes checked, or are not swinging in control (because chicks dig the long ball).

      • TC

        @TC: No, I was right. It was the classifying aggressive as “swing early swing often” that triggered the reply neuron.

      • TC

        @TC: It drives me nuts when I hear Ken Broo say the Reds needs to be less aggressive, learn to work the count, and get on base. Sounds good, but it makes being aggressive sound like it is the opposite of working the count and getting on base which is not true, NOT TRUE.

        Hanigan was aggressive last night and he worked two long counts. One for 11 pitches and for his efforts he was rewarded a double. The other for 8 pitches for a walk. He was very aggressive at the plate. I guess Ken means hitters should give away strikes to inflate a pitcher’s pitch count. What’s the point of that unless you’re hitting against an ace backed by a bad bullpen? Against teams like the Pirates and Cardinals, getting to the bullpen is jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

        Here is my point: the opposite of being aggressive is not being patient. The opposite of being aggressive is being passive.

      • RedManifesto

        @TC: Great stats, my man! So they’re swinging at strikes but missing them…well, I guess you keep swinging and hope it improves? For less aggression means less opportunities to improve on the strike-zone whiffs, right? My head hurts.

      • TC

        @RedManifesto: You want to know who the most to least aggressive hitters are based on Z-Swing%

        Mike Leake 82.30%
        Jay Bruce 77.90%
        Chris Heisey 74.30%
        Donald Lutz 71.80%
        Cesar Izturis 70.70%
        Brandon Phillips 70.30%
        Derrick Robinson 70.10%
        Joey Votto 68.20%
        Bronson Arroyo 68.00%
        Todd Frazier 67.80%
        Devin Mesoraco 67.40%
        Xavier Paul 67.10%
        Alfredo Simon 66.70%
        Jack Hannahan 66.30%
        Corky Miller 65.40%
        Shin-Soo Choo 63.10%
        Zack Cozart 63.00%
        Mat Latos 61.60%
        Ryan Hanigan 61.10%

      • TC

        @RedManifesto: Most patient defined by not swinging at pitches out of the zone.

        Shin-Soo Choo 22.00%
        Joey Votto 22.20%
        Corky Miller 22.90%
        Alfredo Simon 25.00%
        Jack Hannahan 25.30%
        Ryan Hanigan 26.80%
        Jay Bruce 28.70%
        Cesar Izturis 28.90%
        Xavier Paul 30.60%
        Zack Cozart 30.80%
        Derrick Robinson 30.90%
        Mat Latos 31.80%
        Devin Mesoraco 32.10%
        Todd Frazier 32.30%
        Brandon Phillips 37.30%
        Chris Heisey 37.80%
        Bronson Arroyo 41.00%
        Donald Lutz 48.20%
        Mike Leake 53.50%

      • TC

        @RedManifesto: Best players who make contact on swings in the strike zone.

        Ryan Hanigan 96.40%
        Mat Latos 93.30%
        Derrick Robinson 89.50%
        Devin Mesoraco 89.10%
        Brandon Phillips 88.90%
        Zack Cozart 88.50%
        Cesar Izturis 87.80%
        Shin-Soo Choo 87.00%
        Joey Votto 86.10%
        Todd Frazier 85.50%
        Chris Heisey 80.80%
        Jack Hannahan 80.70%
        Xavier Paul 79.80%
        Bronson Arroyo 79.40%
        Jay Bruce 79.10%
        Donald Lutz 78.70%
        Corky Miller 76.50%
        Mike Leake 70.60%
        Alfredo Simon 62.50%

      • Matt WI

        @RedManifesto: What’s interesting is that it comes off from Dusty as a “once size fits all” mentality to hitting… which is problematic. I think, similar to what you were saying, some guys might struggle and be too much “in there head” about working counts and being too careful, so being a little more aggressive might work for them. Dusty & Co. need to assess each player and coach to where there are. The off season and spring training is the time for wholesale work on swing theory.

      • pinson343

        @RedManifesto: Votto himself has talked about how hitting requires a balance of aggressiveness vs. patience.

        Dusty knows more about that than he lets on. As a major league hitter, he was both patient and aggressive. Dusty has an axe to grind with those he feels over-emphasize OBP, and ends up making statements that aren’t even consistent with how he hit.

        Joe Morgan does that too.

      • al

        @RedManifesto: I don’t think it’s necessarily just the hitters not being smart (though that’s part of it). I think some hitters just have a much more difficult time recognizing pitches and taking close balls. If that’s the case, it’s a pretty tough thing to teach I’d imagine.

      • RedManifesto

        @al: Here’s how you get everyone on Joey’s wavelength. Lead the team on a 3 mile hike in the woods, hand out peyote to everyone and hang out until they all “get it”, shouldn’t take long that way. 😉

        Ah, if it were only so simple.

    • groujo

      @zab1983: Baker has been on about this “lack of aggressiveness” for a long time now — it’s his only answer when he’s asked about the team’s hitting woes (when it’s woeful). The funny thing is Frazier’s quote today seems to say exactly the opposite – the coaches think he’s been too aggressive. So, who is it Baker’s referring to? Is he putting a dig on Votto’s walk rate? Are we less aggressive than other teams?

      • pinson343

        @groujo: Gave one possible answer to that just above. Thanks to Votto and Choo, the Reds have drawn a lot of walks, but overall are known for “aggressive” hitting. I doubt that Dusty has a problem with Votto or Choo. But he doesn’t feel every hitter can take their approach.

      • prjeter

        @groujo: I wonder if Baker knows that Votto has the 2nd most hits in the NL (behind Jean Segura). I’d say critiquing Votto’s approach is the last thing he needs to be doing.

    • al

      @zab1983: it looked to me like he was just throwing meatballs. Swinging at meatballs is always a good idea, early in the count, late in the count, on a train, in the rain…

      Had nothing to do with going after more first pitches though.

  9. tgarretson82

    Great win last night! We need to go on a run before all-star break. So, I was curious to know when this guy Greg Reynolds falls into the Reds equation this year or next. Is he going to be used in the rotation or bullpen? The guy is dominating at AAA and may have found himself for major league success. I would hate to have pitching woes and not take advantage of this guy.

    • WVRedlegs


      Reynolds is a former first round pick of the Rockies. The #2 overall pick in 2006. He has been a tremendous pick up by WJ. 10-0 and a 2.44 ERA. He is quoted as saying this year is the healthiest he has been in 3 years. He might get a shot soon.

  10. LWBlogger

    We were at the game last night. By the way, row GG section 135 was the 2nd row of dryness. It was nice not to get wet when it rained for a change. I’m usually in the Mezzanine and under no cover.

    Very nice win. Yes, the Reds hitters were aggressive early in the count but they also got some really good pitches to hit early in the count. Opposing pitchers in interviews however have stated that they know the Reds’ hitters are aggressive and they try to make them get themselves out. Of course you do that with any hitter that tends to be more aggressive.

    Jsaon Lindon posted some figures on the Reds’ plate discipline that was somewhat surprising. Yes, they swing at first pitches often, as we’ve seen but they also as a whole have a fairly high BB%. Of course Choo and Votto brought those numbers up but as Jason pointed out, Cozart and Izturis bring the numbers down. There are a lot of Reds that are getting the base-on-balls and their plate-discipline as a whole was better than I expected.

    As for Frazier, he has admitted to guessing at the plate. When he guesses right, he tends to make solid contact.

    • pinson343

      @LWBlogger: I’ve been surprised at how some road broadcasters praise the Reds plate discipline. A pair of guys (Oakland tv I think) were saying that the Reds were doing very well (that nite at least) at not chasing breaking pitches.

  11. Shchi Cossack

    Woo Buddy did 6 innings last night feel good. My dog was starting to get really nervous every time I moved towards her.

    Dusty being a gifted hitter as a player has absolutely no bearing on his ability to coach hitting. Does anyone think Babe Ruth would have been a good hitting coach? Baker was a very talented hitter, naturally talented. Not many naturally talented players make good coaches, some but not many. What I hear from Dusty’s repeated comments is ‘I could do it and Hank could do it so why can’t you do it the way Hank and I could do it?’ Dusty has coached players like Barry Bonds, Matt Williams, Sammy Sosa & Moises Alou which probably did nothing but reenforce that notion.

    Hanigan Looked good last night. Hopefully the rest and off days helped him recover so he can get back on track. Meso could probably use some of the same to get his knees rested right now and with the all star bereak coming up, maybe the Reds will field a healthy Hanigan and Meso for the 2nd half run.

    • Big Ed

      @Shchi Cossack: Hannigan did look good last night. I think sitting for the ankle injury allowed all the other bangs and bruises to heal. As a hitter, he looked more like his old self than he had all year–going deep into counts and hitting the ball the other way.

      He did luck out an infield hit, which you won’t see too often, but Pablo Sandaval is a fat tub of goo ala Terry Forster and ought to be embarrassed.

  12. Shchi Cossack

    OK, the Reds have issues that probably need to be addressed, but I think it’s safe to say that any major changes or major aquisitions are not going to happen this season. At most maybe a bench upgrade and a bullpen addition might be forthcoming and nothing will be done that compounds Ludwick’s backloaded, $8.5MM salary for next season. I also think the sellers are shaking out and readily identified. As always, the key will be the relative cost/return for any aquisition.

    Based on the teams ready to sell and the players that might be available from those teams, I really think WJ needs to make a reservation and fly to ChiTown before the all star break and have a serious sit-down with Hahn to try and hammer out a deal for Crain & Viciedo. Crain is a 32 year old relief pitcher who is a FA at the end of the season. Viciedo is the RH bat the Reds need who has a VERY sever split and simply kills LH pitching. Both are somewhat pricey for role players, but both fill a severe need for the Reds. Lutz, Heisey, Ondruzek, Rodriguez & Reineke could be a start in the negotiations.

    For the 2nd half, that would set up a LF platoon of XP & Viciedo and a CF platoon of Choo & Robinson, add a solid reliever to the bullpen who could fill any back-end role. It could also clear some room on the 40 man roster for Reynolds if another starter is needed.

    • TC

      @Shchi Cossack: I love, LOVE that you mentioned Reynolds being added to the 40-man. I like your plan just because of that.

      I would, however wince a bit if Reineke was traded.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @TC: Reineke is roster filler. The Reds would ship him anywhere in a heartbeat.

        The problem is that Lutz+Heisey+Rodriguez+Reineke does not equal anything. It’s zero everyday players, one total decent bench player.

    • Vottomatic84

      @Shchi Cossack: Crain would be a terrific pick up, obviously.

      For the OF, I’d lean toward someone more like a Marlon Byrd. He’s cheap and only signed for the remainder of the year. He plays a decent OF and has really been heating up after a bad start to the season. The Mets aren’t going anywhere anytime soon and I would think he could be had for pretty cheap.

      • Shchi Cossack

        @Vottomatic84: Byrd is having a terrific comeback season at age 36. Someone will almost certainly grab Byrd at the deadline, but I see his value as an everyday OF and the Reds really need a RH bat that hits LHP well more than they need an everyday OF. If the price is right for Byrd, I’d be good with that option too.

        The value I see in Viciedo is a RH bat the crushes LHP and tanks against RHP, a true role player, and the Reds don’t have anyone to fill such a role on the team or in the upper minor leagues. Plus Viciedo is young (24) with 4 MLB seasons of experience and team control through 2017. Of course if the CWS deem him to be an everyday player and want to be compensated accordingly, then he ceases to be an option.

  13. Shchi Cossack

    Phillips, who has brought in 3,411,839 votes, still holds the lead, but it’s been cut to about 225,000 by Matt Carpenter of the Cardinals. Carpenter surpassed the Giants’ Marco Scutaro, who now sits in third place with 3,142,783 votes.

    Last few days to vote Reds fans. No true ‘Reds’-blooded baseball fan would even consider allowing Carpenter or Scutaro to start the all star game a 2B and believe me, the Bird’s and Giant’s are going to make a serious ballot stuffing push to make that happen, so get out and vote and vote often. Remember the LaRussa slight BP and Reds’ fans everywhere endure last season.

    • rightsaidred

      @Shchi Cossack: I got 105 votes today and I will do at least that many tomorrow!

      BP has played a role for this team and few others could have done it as well. Carpenter is having a spectacular season offensively but 2nd base and SS have big defensive components as well and BP is still BP

  14. Shchi Cossack

    Lots of early action on the Int’l signings, but nothing from the Reds. The Reds only have $1.8MM avaible in Int’l bonus pool money available. A lot of Int’l bonus pool trading also to enable some of the teams to be active, but nothing from the Reds. The Cubs traded Ronald Torreyes to the Astros as one of those bonus pool transactions.

    • rhayex

      @Shchi Cossack: Yeah, I noted that on the Down on the Farm thread as well. For the last two or three years, it’s seemed as though the Reds have kept themselves almost entirely out of the international market, despite the large amount of talent coming from there in recent years. Last ones I remember are Cueto and Chapman, with a couple guys from ’08 thrown in. If anyone wants to dispute it, then by all means, but it’s troubling (to me, at least), that a team that seemingly prides itself on amateur scouting and bringing up “their guys” refuses to go overseas.