These first two games have not exactly gone how you and I would have liked. As has, unfortunately, come to be normal, there is a good deal of panic as a result. Let me tell you something: that panic is foolish. Certainly, some concern is merited in that the later in the season it gets, the harder deficits are to make up, but panic, ts this point is needless.

The Reds trail the Pirates just slightly now, and they will pass them back. The Reds are better than the Pirates. They may not pass the Cardinals. The Cardinals are a very good team. However, they do have their own brutal stretch coming. From July 25th through August 28th, the Cardinals play 37 games in 37 days (there is one day off, but also a double header with the Pirates). Included in that stretch are 8 games against the Pirates, 7 games against the Braves, and 6 games against the Reds. The Pirates also find themselves with a less than ideal post-All-Star Break schedule.

So don’t panic. I’ll eat my hat if the Reds don’t at least grab a wildcard spot, and the division is far from out of reach. Today’s Titanic Struggle pits Mat Latos (6-2, 3.20) against Randall Delgado (0-0, 4.00), who is making only his third appearance this year. I don’t have to tell you who I have in this game. Who do you have?

Go Redlegs.

1. Choo CF
2. Cozart SS
3. Votto 1B
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Frazier 3B
7. Paul LF
8. Mesoraco C
9. Latos RHP

Jason has been a fan of the Reds since he was born. He really had no choice in the matter. He has been writing at Redleg Nation for a few years, and also writes and edits at The Hardball Times. His debut novel, When the Sparrow Sings, is available now and concerns baseball, among other things. You can find more information at jasonlinden.com.

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  1. Only following on gameday, but it said that Goldschmidt took 3 pitches in a row that were just a millimeter low, then got a hit. Dang.

  2. Pizza!!!!

  3. Hulkos smash more!!

  4. MAT LATOS. MAT LATOS. MAT LATOS.

    (Sort of stolen from Harry Caray.)

    Good lord, this is awesome.

  5. Still only 83 pitches for Latos. He needs to go out for *at least* one more.

  6. How good is our starting pitching?!?! Best rotation since ’95?

  7. I predict that there’s no way that the bullpen is going to blow this game, because Dusty’s going to leave Latos in either until they lose the lead or the game is over. He’s dealing and has a low pitch count.

  8. This guy is as wild as a May hare. Be picky up there.

  9. *sigh*

  10. Offense falling asleep..again. Haven’t scored since the 2nd. :/

  11. Wow. Another wasted opportunity.

  12. Just really frustrating.

  13. What do you know, an actual line drive. Bravo BP!

  14. Reds 1-10 with RISP. They are having a terrible time stringing hits together.

  15. If there’s ever been a baseball team whose record is due for a re-correct it’s this one. We simply don’t play very good ball. This is the kind of game that should be an 11-2 treat right now. You keep wasting chances, you put the pressure on Latos to be perfect and the bullpen to not screw anything up. Dumb dumb dumb.

  16. Should I just chill out and enjoy the 4-0 lead right now? Probably. But playing like this is not sustainable! It’s another fools’ gold win!

    • @caps: Let’s assume the game ends 4-0. How is that a fool’s gold win? Honest question.

      • @Mwv: I can just about guarantee it won’t end 4-0, but the Reds can’t score all of their runs on homers. They need to play smart baseball, like the Cardinals.

      • @Mwv: Satisfying but not filling either when team should have scored at least 2 more runs if not better. They can do better and we all know it. Great pitching is keeping this team alive at this point.

      • @Mwv: So by that same token a 1-0 win isn’t good? 2-0? Where’s the line? I’m as greedy as the next fan but 4-0 to me looks like a good solid spanking.

        • @Mwv: Of course, a win’s a win, but in terms of playing a consistent brand of baseball that will sustain a .600 winning percentage over the course of the full season? This ain’t it. And I’m not sure we’ve seen that brand of baseball all season, to be honest. I’m not sure what’s wrong exactly, but sumthin’s off with this bunch. Just my humble opinion…

        • @Mwv: Facing this Delgado guy, I’d say 4 runs is on the bottom of acceptability. e are not exactly a Powerhouse right now and it is hard to watch. Thank God for the exceptional Starting Pitching.

  17. Sit down meat!

  18. I think they should definitely send Latos back out for the 8th, but have someone warming in the pen.

  19. Latos to go 8? Sweet!!!!!!!!

  20. Pirates just tied it in the 9th

  21. I saw where Mark Sheldon is reporting that Chapman wants to be a closer for life.

  22. Well, at least Frazier hit it decently hard. I guess.

  23. Chris Welch just summarized the entire Reds hitting philosophy with that impression.

  24. The Angels imploded in the 9th inning…

  25. Will Dusty let Latos finish what he started? Or will he “try to get Chappie going…”?

    • @D Ray White: He’ll most likely be over 100 pitches after this inning (91 now) so I’d say he should be done afterwards, assuming he makes it out of it.

  26. Pirates were down 3 going into the 9th … past tense were… now its tied.

  27. Having Goldschmidt up with more than 1 guy on would not be ideal.

  28. They’re hunting his fastball this inning.

  29. Manny Parra is warming up. Oh, great.

  30. If he walks Gold, he’s done.

  31. Uh oh.

  32. Buckle down and finish this inning, Mat.

  33. 4 out save…don’t even ask

  34. Damn.

  35. MANNY PARRA?

    Oh..no.

  36. I’m absolutely holding my breath!

  37. Wonder why Parra and not Chapman?

  38. Did not think I’d ever utter these words, good job Parra!!

  39. It seems like Parra usually gets batters down 0-2, its what happens after that that is scary.

  40. Oh my God, Votto…whew.

    Marty would have gone ape on Votto had he missed that.

  41. Joey is bound and determined to give away this one.

  42. Joey is a terrible defensive first baseman right now.

  43. Do we see Chapman in the ninth?

  44. Things are getting massively silly up in here.

  45. 30,723 showed up for today’s titanic struggle, 30,723.

  46. Pirates just scored 3 more in the 10th, now up 9-6

  47. Pirates blowing it open, 9-6.

  48. RLN commenters freak out a little too easily sometimes.

  49. Donald Lutz’s last at-bat as a Red, for now.

  50. Fun fact- Manny Parra has a higher offensive WAR than Donald Lutz.

  51. Beginning of the end.

  52. Nice play Zack.

  53. So far Gregorius has been up 3 times and has seen 3 pitches — will he swing at the first pitch from Chapman?

  54. Didi seems to have the Reds hitting philosophy fully ingrained.

  55. Oh, Lord.

  56. Settle down, Chapman.

  57. Dear God, why are some of you panicking? The Reds are fine. Record is totally sustainable. Every metric agrees. I think some of you don’t know good baseball unless it comes in one particular shade of goodness.

    Reds are an excellent team. Stop the hand-wringing and enjoy it. I’ve said it before and will say it again, if you can’t enjoy a team this good, I don’t know why you’re following baseball.

    • @Jason Linden: Exactly. Stretches like these happen, but it doesn’t mean that the Reds suck now.

      • @josephneely25: Right now they are pretty close to sucking. Do I expect to go on forever? Heck no, but to deny the obvious is not that commendable either.

        • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: 5-5 over last ten is not close to sucking. Find me a team that doesn’t have stretches like this. (Hint: you can’t, I looked last year, even WS teams usually have a few weeks where they play terribly.)

          • @Jason Linden: Yeah, but I watch the “games” and they are close to sucking. Just my opinion, right or wrong. Great pitching covers up a lot of crappy play and it has. The offense is offensive, right now. I expect it to pick-up come Tuesday, in Oakland, because I am an optimist at heart. Love my Reds but enough is enough. Hit the ball for God’s sake. Everyone looks like they want to hit HRs right now but most are not equipped.

    • @Jason Linden: Amen to this. For all the people who are saying that teams like the Pirates are legit and the Reds are not, and that on this board, please realize the Reds have the third best record in baseball. Currently missing starting LF, backup outfielder, and quite a few RP’s.

      It sucks to lose games you should win, but it happens like last night.

    • @Jason Linden: You’re nuts! The inability to manufacture offense, situational hit and generally maximize their opportunities has been a problem for four years. This isn’t a bad stretch! It’s been that way for a long time, holding us back! We thought maybe it was just Stubbs, but clearly it runs deeper than that. This a wonderful starting rotation attached to a kinda crappy team. And yeah, that’s incredibly frustrating to watch!

    • Dear God, why are some of you panicking? The Reds are fine. Record is totally sustainable. Every metric agrees. I think some of you don’t know good baseball unless it comes in one particular shade of goodness.

      Reds are an excellent team. Stop the hand-wringing and enjoy it. I’ve said it before and will say it again, if you can’t enjoy a team this good, I don’t know why you’re following baseball.

      I refuse to accept poor decission making…

  58. Get Lecure up for Goldy.

  59. Is there anyone up in the bullpen?

  60. This ump is giving him absolutely nothing.

  61. This is basically why it behooves an offense to keep trying after the second inning.

  62. is HP ump still concussed?

  63. Jeez. Not panicking but this team is a wee bit hard to watch.

  64. Give me a God damn break.

  65. Jesus Christo.

  66. So tired of this crap, Chapman IS not a closer, either send him down to learn how to pitch or trade him.

  67. Chapman can’t buy a called strike.

  68. Had ’em all the way!!

  69. We didn’t win the right way. This team sucks.

  70. Whew. Chapman should never face the Dbacks. Ever.

  71. So Chappy getting a rep as a headhunter. For the life of me, I can’t understand it.

    Chappy got it done.

    Go Reds!!!!

  72. Needed that one! Go Reds!

  73. Hopefully the Cards can continue their death spiral tonight and the Reds can gain a game in the standings.

  74. Cudos to Mat Latos. Great game. Way to step up.

  75. And this one belongs to the Reds! Piece of cake, easy as pie, easy as fallin’ outta bed. (Note sarcasm font) On to Oakland and a meet and greet with Chris Heisey. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

  76. Boy does Chapman look he has a mental breakdown if every batter he faces is not an out.

  77. 10-9 Pirates. 2nd and 3rd 2 outs Mike Trout at the plate. Jason Grilli melting down.

  78. Pirates trying to choke away their game, now 10-9.

  79. That Chapman inning was 50% bad luck, 30% bad umping, and 20% bad pitching.

    • That Chapman inning was 50% bad luck, 30% bad umping, and 20% bad pitching.

      Wow…guess we were not watching the same game. To me same old Chapman, Mr. 100mph thinking he can just rare back and throw it by people…not a pitcher but thrower

  80. Actually, just calling it as we see it. … Reds, except for Latos and Parra, didn’t really deserve this win.

    • @redskaph: What about Bruce, Phillips, and Choo? Or were they not gritty enough?

      • @Jason Linden: Home runs aren’t the right way to win a baseball game. 😛

      • @Jason Linden: We are need a 8 to 2 wipe-out with at least one sustained rally based on decent ABs. This was not pretty but a win-is a win, is a win. The current quality of offense is not sustainable as we are not going o face a Delgado everyday. No doubt this will change but it can’t come soon enough. Beating up on the Brew-crew and Cubbies just ain’t what is used to be.

        • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I think the absence of an 8-run type game might be why people are freaking out. There has been a lot of steady offensive output (4 or 5 runs) and some poor showings, but nothing big for a while. We’re just talking about a ten game stretch or so. And literally all teams go through runs like this. It sucks when it happens, but isn’t a good reason to get worked up.

      • @Jason Linden: They all suck. Anything else?

  81. Pirates hang on, 10-9.

  82. A win’s a win, even when frustrating.

    The thing I don’t get is bringing in Chapman with 3 run leads. Yesterday, I fully support Baker in bringing him in to face 3-4-5 with a 1 run lead, and leaving him in.

    Today, as with all three run leads, it doesn’t make any sense to me to bring in Chapman with a 3 run lead and 7-8-9 coming up. Just general principles, the guy is fairly binary. I bring in a more consistent guy, such as Lecure. You don’t need to strike out the side when you are up by 3.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I’ve often thought of that, with a 3 run lead I’m more comfortable with a guy who is more consistent than Chapman and in particular more consistent at throwing strikes.

      I think Chapman is the best reliever on the team, but as you say, he’s either 1-2-3 or he often gets into trouble. I wonder how much has to do with having problems pitching out of the stretch.

  83. Oh, and, a huge thank you to Mat Latos. You cannot ignore missing bats, when a guy K’s 13 there’s much less opportunity, for, say, the pitcher to get a bloop hit before a dinger (like yesterday). Leake pitched great yesterday, but I’m just saying that missing bats is really important. This is why I’d much rather have Mat Latos than Mike Leake, even though Leake’s results are better so far this year. (This is not anything anti-Leake, more pro-Latos and pro-strikeouts.)

  84. I agree with getting Chap into this game in any way possible, just to get the taste of last night out of his mouth. Not that today’s appearance was a gangbusters success. But he got through it, and it may pay dividends. Or it may not.

    I’m with Dusty on this one.

    • @RC: Yes I’m OK with the use of Chapman today, getting him back on the horse. But generally speaking, with a 3 run lead, see above.

      • @pinson343: Yeah, the 3 run save rule is silly, but of course we know Dusty + “Save situation” = Chapman.

        That said, TODAY I’d have put Chap in even if it was still 4-0.

  85. I look at it like this: guys are going to give up x number of runs in a season. I’d rather have Chapman give up some of those yearly runs in a game like today than in a one run game—plus he needs to get back on the horse after last night like RC and pinson343 said.

    I was happy to see Parra contribute. He seems like a project that might be beginning to turn it around (ala Alfredo Simon) with Mr. Price’s help.

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About Jason Linden

Jason has been a fan of the Reds since he was born. He really had no choice in the matter. He has been writing at Redleg Nation for a few years, and also writes and edits at The Hardball Times. His debut novel, When the Sparrow Sings, is available now and concerns baseball, among other things. You can find more information at jasonlinden.com.

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