Last night really wasn’t any fun, was it. Certainly, none of us expected Cueto to be like that. Tonight’s game features the pitcher we all expected to have nights like Cueto had last night. I wrote at the beginning of the season that many of you were being too hard on Mike Leake (7-3, 2.64), and I suppose now is as good a time as ever to say I told you so. I’m not insane, however, and I know Leake’s peripherals aren’t as good as his ERA. He’ll probably come back to earth – at least a little bit – eventually. Let’s hope it’s not tonight as Leake will be facing Patrick Corbin (9-0, 2.28) who has had numbers even better than Leake, but whose peripherals also give cause for a bit of an eyebrow raise.

The game is on FOX today in prime time. Let’s all hope the Reds can show off on the national stage and pull even with the Diamondbacks.

Here’s your lineup:

1. Robinson LF
2. Choo CF
3. Votto 1B
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Frazier 3B
7. Mesoraco C
8. Cozart SS
9. Leake RHP

Jason has been a fan of the Reds since he was born. He really had no choice in the matter. He has been writing at Redleg Nation for a few years, and also writes and edits at The Hardball Times. His debut novel, When the Sparrow Sings, is available now and concerns baseball, among other things. You can find more information at jasonlinden.com.

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  1. Please remember today the next time Bruce has a slump.

  2. Another great thing is that Mr. Leake may get rewarded with the “W.”

  3. Don’t want to get ahead of things, still need three more outs- a game like this makes the guys walk taller.

  4. Why are we bunting or stealing? The new reliever just walked Frazier on 4 straight! And didn’t throw a strike to Mes!

  5. I hate asking Mes to bunt there. The guy is a nasty sidearm thrower and I doubt Mes has been asked to bunt very often.

  6. Bunting Mesoraco for Cozart is just lame.

    And what’s Frazier doing there? It “worked”, but that’s not smart.

  7. Bunting Mesoraco to get a runner from second to third is terrible strategy. Run scores from second with a hit by either batter. Another example of Baker paralyzing the team with his extremely conservative managing philosophy.

  8. This isn’t looking good

  9. Maybe Leake should have come back out for the 9th?

  10. Settle down, Chap.

  11. don’t blow it now fellas!

  12. Could use a DP right about now.

  13. Man, Marty is broadcasting ANGRY tonight! He’s REALLY hung up on that Mes botched bunt.

  14. Does a translator go out to mound too?

  15. Dusty goes out to visit chappy, maybe he’ll give him a hug.

  16. I know this is anecdotal, but it just seems as if every game Chapman needs a batter or two to find his control.

  17. He has suddenly lost 4 mph of his fastball according to mlb (for better or worse)

  18. This is the high leverage situation everyone wants Chapman pitching in…How we doin’?

  19. Good slide piece here.

  20. Does anyone have a bullpen to sell?

  21. Meltdown coming.

  22. Let’s see Chapman do his Rob Dibble impression. Walk the bases loaded, then strike out the side.

  23. Okay, now strike out the side Chappy.

  24. Well that’s a horrible way to lose, didn’t record a single out.

  25. Simply painful.

  26. Coco Chapman blows it…

  27. That was ugly.

  28. Well that’s it guys, Crappy Chappy tonight!

  29. Reds piss another one away.

    3 straight losses, 4 of 5 and 5 of 7.

  30. Wow, without getting 1 out either. This is the low point of the season, so far. Hopefully it doesn’t go lower.

  31. This bullpen is absolute crap right now. Pretty sad when the starter has to pitch a complete game every game. Wow.

    • @Truman48: Another problem: Baker doesn’t allow complete games. I see high school/American Legion pitchers throw more pitches than Reds starters every week.

  32. crushing

  33. Mike Leake let down by his teamates tonight.

  34. We might be 7 or 8 games out by the all-star break.

  35. I just frightened the dog again. The wife had the good sense to go off to read in the bedroom a while ago.

  36. Hope Latos can get it done tomorrow.

  37. Poor Mike Leake… Is there a leader is this locker room who can light a fire under their collective rear ends? They need it badly.

  38. Sorry results, but sure Dusty will have some lame excuse and the reporters will lap it up…

  39. Other than Jay Bruce and the starting pitching, this team really stinks right now. And we’re wasting Chapman how?

    • @kywhi: Wasted Chapman by jerking him around from the get go. By not giving him a defined role from the beginning. A young man like him needs to be told what to do. I believe had they committed to making him a starter, or a closer, from the time he walked into camp, it would be different. Go back to spring training this year, do you really believe he changed course all of a sudden on his own and said ‘I want to be a closer’? I don’t. He had success starting games and said he enjoyed being a starter just a few months prior.

  40. I sure hope this isn’t going to be one those legendary disastrous west coast road trips from bygone days. Take a deep breath, relax and regroup fellas. Back at em tomorrow. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

  41. No excusing Chappy tonight, obviously, but the offense is the biggest problem here. It is not reasonable for the pitching staff to be damn near perfect every night in order to win! How many run-scoring non-homerun hits do we have the last two weeks? It’s getting pathetic. Like time-to-discuss-being-active-buyers-at-the-trade-deadline pathetic.

  42. Should have gotten one out. Wasn’t there an error to start off the inning?

    • @jas_428:
      Yes, the error was Dusty putting in Chapman.

    • @jas_428: Not excusing Chapman, but you never know how the inning would have gone if Votto had made the play he should have made to start the inning.

      • @kywhi: Or how it would have gone if Chapman had command of both pitches. Goldschmidt hitting that ball hard is almost superhuman, it was out of the zone and up a bit. But he knows it’s dead red.

        It’s true, though, Votto should have had it, and I bet the Reds win if he gets it.

    • @jas_428: Goldschmidt smoked that ball. But when things are going your way, Votto fields that ball cleanly, and things may have turned out very different. Horrible loss. We’ll get ’em tomorrow. Latos needs to step up.

  43. The Reds fade has begun.

  44. The lack of control of the slider hurts. The first one goes in the dirt and then he has no confidence to throw another with runners on for fear that it’ll go to the backstop.

    Well, that game stunk, but it is what it is. Definitely agree w/ Charlotte, low point of the season today.

  45. That hole they showed in the bullpen wall was prophetic, huh?

  46. We’ve gotta be below league-average at C, SS, LF and damn close at 3B – to say nothing of another punch-less bench. I’m just not sure we have that many trade chips to leverage upgrades anywhere.

    • @caps: And with nothing in the minors, you got that right.

    • @caps: And in the pen. Chapman was just off tonight, but most of the rest of the group is about a C-.

    • @caps: You know we don’t have a lot of spare parts to deal. How about a big Joe Morgan-type trade? My available guys are: Choo (gone after 2013), Homer (will be getting expensive), and Chapman (under utilized). Don’t get me wrong, I like all three guys and understand their value. I’m leery on moving Homer as I’m not sure Cueto is okay but if he is, we have a little depth at Starting Pitching. I’m not ready for the team to move yet but I’m getting there. The Reds have been consistent: beat up the weaklings and really can’t compete with the Big Boys.

  47. What is maddening is seeing that Chapman was wild & clearly didn’t have it – heck, even the network announcers knew he threw a wild one in the bullpen that put a hole in the wall – and all the while, Baker just twiddles his thumbs and has no one else getting ready at all. Thanks for caring, Dusty.

    • @concepcion13: Did what he does best.

    • @concepcion13: Dusty makes a ton of curious decisions pretty much daily, but I don’t think you can really put this one on him. If he had left Leake in to try to finish it and it didn’t work out, we’d be all over him for wasting Chappy. And with the bases loaded and Chappy on the ropes, I really don’t see what options were gonna be better. Not like he has the Nasty Boys down there in the pen to pick from…

  48. This stings. Not a good way to start a road trip against good opponents. Just pray for the WLBs to lose, since the Reds aren’t going to be winning anything playing the way they’ve played the last two nights (Bruce and Leake excluded, of course).

    Any why in the world didn’t Dusty get Chapman out of the game when he walked the bases loaded? Has he not seen Chapman pitch? If he doesn’t have it, he doesn’t have it. His command was clearly not there. Did Gibson leave Bell in after it became clear he couldnt get anyone out? Nope. He gave him the hook. Honestly, Baker… get a clue. No fault of Dusty’s for leaving him in for the first three, but was ANYONE IN THE WORLD convinced Chapman was going to get anyone out after the first three batters? Simply sad.

    • @prjeter: I would have left Chapman in there. You need a couple K’s, and he’s the best bet to get K’s.

    • @prjeter: “Did Gibson leave Bell in after it became clear he couldnt get anyone out? Nope. He gave him the hook. Honestly, Baker… get a clue.”

      You make it sound like Gibson is some kind of seer. He only took Bell out after he blew the save and gave up the lead.

      • @kywhi: Sorry – Kirk Gibson is twice the manager that DB is, IMO. He cares about only one thing – winning. Just like Clint Hurdle, incidentally.

  49. Did anyone else notice Chapman motion to the ump on one of the close balls called? It seemed like he did, and Mez shook his head like “quit it, you idiot”. Seems a bit of a head case does Mr. 106.

  50. I actually think Dusty has a good baseball mind and he is great with the players. My problem with him is his conservative strategy. He always manages as if something is going to go wrong. He tries to account for the worst possible scenario. For example in the eighth inning, Ziegler can’t find the plate at all and we have Mes up trying to bunt Frazier over to 3rd. We have them on the ropes at that point. Why are we giving up an out? Go for the throat.

    • @mthomas5810: Dusty doesn’t have a good baseball mind. Everything he knows, “Hank Aaron told me one time. . . “, “Willie Mays told me one time. . . “. He continually shows when he has to make a decision, many can’t help wondering just what the heck is he doing.

      Lots of things go into wins and losses each game. There is hardly ever any one thing that causes a win or loss. Tonight, some of the things:

      – Offense just wasn’t there
      – Chapman didn’t have it
      – I have no clue why Baker didn’t have someone in the pen seeing how out of control Chapman was during the inning tonight. With no outs, Chapman should have been pulled when Chapman loaded the bases, if not after the batter before that.

      So, no one can fully blame Baker for losing this one. But, this decision, leaving Chapman in, surely didn’t help.

      As for showing confidence with his players, as far as I am concerned, I consider that is all rubbish. Tonight, he may have showed he had confidence in Chapman tonight. But, with that very decision, he showed he didn’t have any confidence in the rest of the pen to do the same job. Let’s see, what I would look for in a manager: Manage to win games or manage so that your players like you. Sorry, but the first item is the primary responsibility. When you let the second item interfere with your primary job, you become just what Baker is, a manager with no WS championships.

      • As for showing confidence with his players, as far as I am concerned, I consider that is all rubbish. Tonight, he may have showed he had confidence in Chapman tonight. But, with that very decision, he showed he didn’t have any confidence in the rest of the pen to do the same job. Let’s see, what I would look for in a manager: Manage to win games or manage so that your players like you. Sorry, but the first item is the primary responsibility. When you let the second item interfere with your primary job, you become just what Baker is, a manager with no WS championships

        @steveschoen: Thus is something a Kirk Gibson doesn’t concern himself with. You play well you get time. You don’t? Oh well. Nothing personal but Skipper has a job to do – win games. They got rid of a rising star – Upton, because he didn’t fit Gibson’s idea of a warrior and everyone said what a disaster it was. It doesn’t look like too much of a disaster to me and Prado isn’t playing all that great.

  51. Y’all have to admit that it’s kind of funny that the Reds have their infield in expecting a bunt from Ross, because after all, of course that’s what you do (what Baker does, everyone must do, right?). Then Ross is swinging away (because they don’t want to give up an out vs a wild pitcher who’s hard to bunt, with a lefty on deck). And oops, everyone move back…quick!

    Didn’t matter because Chapman couldn’t throw strikes, but it could have mattered.

  52. Didn’t see game due to blackout. How did Dusty’s visit to mound go?

  53. The clock is ticking, its getting late in the season to keep using the Its only (insert date) excuse.

  54. I keep thinking that if indeed Votto is one of the best defensive 1B in the league, the 1Bmen as a whole must be pretty weak.

  55. If the season continues to spiral down, will the Reds do the old salary purge? Arroyo isn’t going to resign. Choo isn’t going to resign. Trade Broxton, Marshall and Arredondo.

    • @RedForever: I’m laughing out loud, the Reds have a WC as of today, and talk of purging?

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I just purged into the toilet after another bullpen meltdown.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Yeah, a good laugh and some hockey are making me feel better.

        In the mean time, that Chapman fellow clearly doesn’t have the mental makeup to be a reliever. We should consider converting him to a starter.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Well, today is 1 thing. A month from now is another – RedForever did say “If …”. We’ll see what happens, but I don’t have a lot of confidence about where the Reds will be by August. .

        • @redskaph: Yes, I will panic if they play .350 ball from here to a month from now. Otherwise, I don’t think it’s a good idea to evaluate your team in the midst of a slump, based only on recent play.

    • @RedForever: Why would you trade Marshall? His absence is one of the reasons the Reds are so terrible right now.

      • @kywhi: Salary dump. The Reds went all in. If they continue to play poorly, the Reds may have to become sellers at the deadline. in that case, the high paid non-essential pieces should be traded for prospects.

        Now they may get it back together. i sure hope so. But i’m seeing some disturbing trends that may not be fixable.

        • @RedForever: This team is too good to keep playing as badly as it has of late. Let’s just hope Texas holds onto their lead over the Cards tonight and the Angels can come through against the Pirates.

      • @kywhi: He wouldn’t have mattered last night or tonight, though. I mean, I wouldn’t trade him anytime soon, unless you could get a good leadoff hitter for him – which I seriously doubt you could.

    • @RedForever: Good luck trading players that are hurt, and Arredondo who was recently suspended from Louisville for violating team rules.

  56. Outside of Bruce and Leake, lots of underachieving going on right now.

  57. Bank on it…2-6 road trip…

  58. Did the Reds trade the right shortstop? It looks like they didn’t.

    • @Larry1980: Let’s talk in October, after we see DG’s full season numbers. Also, the Indians didn’t give the Reds a choice.

  59. Not surprised one bit. These aren’t the Cubs or Marlins we’re facing anymore.

  60. I hope Ryan Ludwick hustles his rehab back he is need badly.

  61. We definitely seem to have some short term memory issues. Leake and Bruce the only ones playing well? I seem to recall Votto with a string of multi-hit games prior to tonight. Frazier has been warming up. Arroyo has been pitching way above expectations. Oh never mind.

    And from the stating the obvious department: By my calculations Chapman now has 3 blown saves and 18 saves. That’s a conversion percentage of 85.7%. That would be… completely ordinary. My gut tells me that about half of those 18 saves have been pretty easy – 3 run lead, bottom of the order coming up, that kind of stuff. Given that Dusty Baker pretty much refuses to use him in game critical situations and tries very hard to use him only for the 9th, only with a small-ish lead, no matter who is coming up or when, someone remind me why we the Reds refuse to stretch him out for the grand starter experiment. OR why they haven’t traded him (since he’s just lying around going to waste) for something they really need? Anyone? Bueller?

    • @Chris DeBlois: No argument here. You’re spot on with Chappy. Potentially the best arm in baseball, and they have failed to say to him- this is your job, do it. Instead, it is- you are a starter, no, you are a closer, no, i want you to start, no close the rest of this year, no, next year start,no, we want you to say you’ve wanted to close all along, but we’re not going to push it and let you throw more than one inning at a time. Good grief. No wonder things are what they are. Baby someone and that’s what you get.

  62. This is an example of why I didn’t feel Chapman should be a starter. He has shown any control for only one inning at a time. The scouting report when he started at AAA was he could get through about 4 innings, and after that, he could do nothing. You need to keep the batters off balance, hit all 4 corners of the K-zone at will, etc. Chapman doesn’t have it. Very few closers have to worry about that. But, closers can at least get the ball over the plate.

    But, then, also, with Chapman, he wasn’t up to the 100+ range tonight. I believe he was barely hitting 98, more like 95. Very human with those numbers.

    • @steveschoen: Bull. On the rare occasion when he has started, in the spring the last two seasons, he has done a good job.

      • @RedLeg75: That’s against ST competition. That’s nothing compared to what he would see during the season. During the season, it was exactly as I described.

    • @steveschoen: His first pitch today was 99, and the ball Goldschmidt hit was 100, and he had a 101 to Montero. Then, he couldn’t throw strikes, and he stopped throwing so hard.

      Montero has a .615 OPS this year, he’s a lefty, and Chapman walked him. UNacceptable.

  63. Until Chapman learns how to pitch he should not be in the show..

  64. If this is a 2-6 trip. The Reds are in trouble.

  65. I wouldn’t call for a sell off or anything. Right now, the Reds are in the playoffs. But, with how good this team is right now, you have to think they are a one and done team. Not only with how good the team is, but then their play is going to make Baker try to make more decisions, making results even worse.

    I do believe we need a Rolen-type of leader to step up. Not that we need Rolen; I do think we should be starting Frazier, and Rolen would have been an expensive piece on the bench. I just wonder if there is any kind of locker room leader in there. Baker sure isn’t one; he’s more concerned with the players liking him.

  66. When is Ludwick and Marshall expected back?

  67. For a guy to be a stopper (the way they are used in MLB today), you want someone who is consistently good. As opposed to often brilliant and sometimes not so good. The consistently good guy will get a save practically every time out. That’s because 2/3 of his appearances will be with a 2 or 3 run lead. Chapman is often brilliant, but sometimes he just doesn’t have it at all (this is his second time of not getting an out and seemingly not being able to get anyone out, if the game had continued). He’d have had a hard time protecting a 3 run lead today.

    I continue to think Chapman is miscast as a modern MLB stopper.

  68. Until Chapman commands more then one pitch and is able to command location he is just wasted roster spot.

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About Jason Linden

Jason has been a fan of the Reds since he was born. He really had no choice in the matter. He has been writing at Redleg Nation for a few years, and also writes and edits at The Hardball Times. His debut novel, When the Sparrow Sings, is available now and concerns baseball, among other things. You can find more information at jasonlinden.com.

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