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Game Thread: Brewers at Reds (2013.06.16)

Johnny Cueto returns to the mound today to try and ensure the Reds take another series victory against the Brewers.  Cueto’s health (everyone’s health) and winning series are the keys in my opinion to the Reds eventually catching and passing the Cardinals within the division.

Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there.  Hopefully you can sit back with your dad and son today and enjoy a Reds game and Reds victory.  Even if the Reds don’t win, enjoy the day with your family.  Go Dads and Go Reds!

170 thoughts on “Game Thread: Brewers at Reds (2013.06.16)

  1. Happy Fathers Day. Its sunday and the Reds have the lost the last 4 sundays, with the bullpen blowing all 4 games. Lets hope they stop that trend today.

  2. Robinson, CF
    Cozart, SS
    Votto, 1B
    Phillips, 2B
    Bruce, RF
    Paul, LF
    Hannahan, 3B
    Hanigan, C
    Cueto, P

    That is an ugly lineup if I have ever seen one. Robinson/Cozart at 1/2, Hannahan in the game at all, and Hanigan (sorry but he’s not the Hanigan of old)… I don’t see how that could possibly be the best lineup you can make to get a team going after a shutout last night.

    • @ToddAlmighty: You are looking at the line up in terms offense. On the other hand it is arguably the best defensive line up the Reds could put on the field right now. With Cueto pitching that might be a major asset.

      • @OhioJim: I don’t know, I don’t buy that Hannahan is better than Frazier at 3B. While Robinson’s speed may be better than Choo’s out in CF, Choo has been solid-to-good. Meanwhile Paul always has me terrified anytime a fly ball comes his way and he changes direction like three times.

        Replace Paul with Robinson, keep Choo in CF, and Frazier at 3B still sounds like the best defense… and offense.

        Besides, I feel like all the talk about best defense is null and void right now. They just got shut out by a pitcher who came into the game with a 4.74 ERA. So they respond by taking out Choo and Frazier and putting in Robinson and Hannahan? Doesn’t matter if the Reds hold the Brewers to 1 or 2 runs with great defense if they can’t score at all.

  3. Sunday? Check.

    Cueto pitching? Check.

    Replacement players in key positions in the lineup? Check.

    They said it couldn’t be done. Dusty disagreed. Time travel has been invented and this is mid-June of 2012. Happy Father’s Day everyone.

  4. Whats the logic resting Choo and Frazier again today? So there is good bats on the bench when the bullpen blows the lead in the 8th again today? It’s comical, no other manager rests guys as much as this clown.

    • @EastCoastVibes: Is that true? Choo has played practically every game. I’d like to know how often other teams rest guys. Everyone here yelled until Votto got a game off.

      In terms of Frazier, he really hasn’t had that much rest lately, and he’s really not that good of a player. Yes, Hannahan is terrible.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I think just because Frazier isn’t the level of amazing he was last year, you underestimate him. Among qualified NL 3B, he’s 5th in BA, 4th in OBP, 5th in SLG, 2nd in 2B, 3rd in RBI, 2nd in BB, 2nd in SB, 3rd in HR. Combine that with what I think is an impressive glove (there are 4 guys in the NL who have 7 or more errors, Frazier has 3).

        So sure he’s not what he was last year, but as far as NL Third Basemen go? He’s still pretty darn good.

        • @ToddAlmighty: Yep and would you be shocked if TF ended up with a .275/.340 /.600 line for the year? Say with 25 HRs and >85 RBIs. No other 3B in the NL Central would I’d rather have than Frazier. Yes, that includes Aramis Rameriz. TF is more than good enough, especially with a nice glove to go along with the bat. Yup, he was a disaster at the plate yesterday and he will have his share of games like that.

      • @EastCoastVibes: Is that true?Choo has played practically every game.I’d like to know how often other teams rest guys.Everyone here yelled until Votto got a game off.

        In terms of Frazier, he really hasn’t had that much rest lately, and he’s really not that good of a player.Yes, Hannahan is terrible.

        Uh, Frazier is among the 5 most productive 3b in the NL in almost every category in 2013 and has played near GG level defense.

      • Rest is overrated. These old time players must think these guys are a joke with the amount of days they get off. Rest helped out a lot last year when they choked against the Giants or in 2010 when the toothpick thought “rest” was more important than trying to improve you’re playoff seed. Rest got you facing Halladay Lee and Hamels in a 5 game series that year.

  5. In any case, Peralta is one of the worst pitchers in the league. There’s a big difference between Gallardo and Peralta.

  6. You gotta like your chances with Cueto on the mound but the fans in the stands should sue for malpractice with this lineup. That being said, the Reds will probably score 8 runs and make us all look bad.

  7. How is that the announcers know not to throw 1st pitch strikes to Gomez, but the players don’t?


  8. Welsh is completely wrong. He says Peralta’s problem is walks. He’s walking 3.6 per 9. Not great, but his real problem is only K’ing 5.2 per 9 to go along with that walk rate.

    Oh, yeah, and there is similarity with Cueto, he says. What?

    • @Baseclogger: Runs like his shoes were nailed to the turf. Just doesn’t have the speed. At this point, is Choo the only regular with better than average speed. BP doesn’t look like he has the wheels he once possessed. Maybe Bruce but but who else?

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: This is the same guy who stole 30 in the minors. Same guy who keeps getting infield hits. Surely he can at least ATTEMPT a stolen base this season? Lutz has 2 steals. Frazier has 4. Votto has 2. Surely Cozart can at least try it ONCE.

        • @Baseclogger: Good points all. Maybe it’s because who is hitting behind him. He must run faster than he appears because it looks painful to me. But point taken.

  9. Now we hear Peralta is good at inducing DPs, but of course he’s had a zillion runners on, so…

  10. Boy if we don’t capitalize here, it will be a real disappointment. Thanks Rickie!

  11. How bad is the Reds offense when it takes a walk, an error, a FC and a squeeze play by the worst hitter on the planet to get a run?

  12. That was possibly the ugliest manufactured unearned run I have seen.

    Walk, Error, Fielder’s Choice (should have been a DP), Eyes Closed Suicide Squeeze

  13. Was anyone else laughing hysterically as I was when they showed the X-Mo replay of Cueto’s bunt?

  14. Masterpiece Theater, it ain’t, but this why JC is an ace,

  15. I love what Bruce did there on 3-0. 2 outs, no one on, the pitcher was frustrated. Perfect time for look for a pitch to kill.

    It is always odd to talk about Bruce’s numbers during the season because of the hot and cold streaks but he is on now on pace for just below 30 HRs and is way ahead of his pace for career highs in doubles.

  16. We are starting to see the Cardinals pitching come back to earth. The Marlins have beat up on it this weekend.

    4-1 Fish bottom 4.

    • @RedForever: They are due for it, a team can’t play any better. They were hitting like what, .365 with RISP and even higher with 2-outs and RISP.

      Reds just need to stay steady and shore up the bullpen. Let the Cards come back to the median and let the Pirates be the Pirates.

  17. Cozart is 2 for 2. Bruce won’t be the only guy getting a day off tomorrow.

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: It actually did make some sense. It would have given Robinson a chance to bring in the run with an infield hit, which is always a decent possibility with him. With a better hitting pitcher I’d have been against it, but with Cueto I think it made sense.

  18. You folks who are claiming Todd Frazier is a good player this year, based on a top 5 OPS for qualified 3rd baseman…that’s misleading and in my mind incorrect. First, guys below him in OPS like Headley and Alvarez are either very close or ahead when you consider OPS+. Second, you are leaving out David Freese and Chris Johnson, who just barely don’t qualify because of some injuries or former platoons (though Johnson against righties isn’t much different from Frazier overall, and he kills lefties).

    There is no way on God’s green earth that Todd Frazier is a top 5 NL 3B. There are easily 5 guys I’d take ahead of him right now: Wright, Zimmerman, Freese, Sandoval, Headley. (And only Headley is comparable in stats.) Frazier is in the next group that includes Alvarez and Johnson, and I think Johnson leads that group.

    In terms of “gold glove defense”, people here say that every Reds player outside of LF and CF should be gold glove. There’s only one gold glove per position. I find it nearly impossible to believe that Frazier is the best fielding 3B in the league. What happens is that people watch only their favorite team and no one else (except for a few highlights) and conclude their guy is the best.

    Nothing wrong with Frazier, but he’s just not that good of a player.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I think your problem is that you’re conflating true talent level with what a guy is doing this year.

      Do I think Frazier’s true talent level is a premier 3B? Probably not.

      However, through the first 70 or so games of this year, of all 3B with more than 50 PA, Frazier has saved the 6th most runs defensively and has the 8th highest WAR total.

      Now you can argue that those numbers aren’t valid if you want, but you can’t just accuse people of blind homerism and not knowing what they’re talking about. Those numbers are based on objective events in the games, and by those measures he’s in the top 3rd of 3B this year.

      So far this year at least.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Not to mention the cost, how much we are getting compared with how much we are spending. A small market’s pockets aren’t unlimited. I will take what Frazier is giving us. Would I take the other guys? Sure, but then who would come out?

  19. Nice hit by Hanigan. I don’t like Lutz here. You need someone to make contact. Lutz was a good matchup against a fastball pitcher (Peralta) with a guy on 1st and 2 outs. He is not the matchup with 1 out and guys on 2nd and 3rd IMO. Hopefully, he comes through. It would be nice to build this lead for the bullpen.

  20. Nothing like having the first guy off the bench sporting a .553 OPS playing in GABP.

  21. Swung at a bad ball and got a single. I’ll take it.

  22. Lutz belongs in the minors. I predict calls for him to start again after that hit.

  23. Don’t look now guys but Dusty is making all the right calls today. Good for hum.

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Lutz pinch hitting in that situation wasn’t the right call. It’s a call that happened to work out. You can flip a coin and some of those calls will be right.

        • @Baseclogger: Actually it “was” the right call as it was proven to be so. I rag on DB with the best of them but he is having a good game and I don’t see any harm in pointing it out. Doesn’t happen I’ll admit.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I think Dusty is doing fine today but I disagree with the Lutz call in that situation. It is not exactly black and white, especially since it would have been a good situation to send him up against Peralta and a guy on 1st (when he was on deck). Hard to call him back in that situation and burn a player. And he came through, getting a huge two run single.

            Good to see Simon get out of that.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: If Lutz was the right call because he happened to get a hit, then I guess BP was the “wrong” call at second today. Thus the danger of using “did it work out” as a measure of whether a call was “right” or “wrong.”

          • @Baseclogger: Come on, I’m no way suggesting play Lutz in RF for instance. Now would I have pitch hit Lutz in that situation? Not before Mes, Fraz or Choo but it worked. Just like to give DB an attaboy at least once a year and that is my first for 2013. Just hope for all our sakes it isn’t the last.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: It’s the right call only in the cosmic “did it work?” sense. Logically it’s a poor call. Great for us that it worked out. I know what you’re saying though, we’re up big and the bullpen isn’t blowing it so let’s be nice to Dusty today.

          • @Mwv: Precisely. If he resorts to boneheaded moves tomorrow, we return to the status quo. I’d put the odds at 99.5% chance.

          • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I just don’t understand congratulating a manager in any way, shape, or form for making an illogical decision that happens to work out. If you’re going to do that, then it’s also fair to criticize him for every smart decision that doesn’t happen to work out. Neither one makes sense to me. If Izturis started every game this season, every once in a while that would seem like the “right” call. Would you give props to Baker on those 8 or 9 occasions over the course of the season?

          • @Baseclogger: It’s Fathers Day for goodness sakes. Is not Dusty a dad after all? I guess this beats bellyaching about which reliever is going to blow a 2-run lead in the 8th.

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