Let’s recap today’s titanic struggle….

Milwaukee 3
Cincinnati 4

W: A. Simon (5-2)
L: B. Badenhop (0-3)

–Jay Bruce hit a walkoff homer in the bottom of the tenth inning to give the Reds the victory.

–Bronson Arroyo scattered twelve hits, but only surrendered two earned runs in seven and two-thirds innings. The old guy dropped his ERA to 3.27.

–Ryan Hanigan had a couple of hits, the only Red with more than one.

–Aroldis Chapman and Alfredo Simon each pitched a perfect inning.

–The Redlegs were pretty sloppy today. Zack Cozart made two errors, and Todd Frazier committed one of his own.

–Dusty’s in-game strategies continue to baffle and that’s all I will say about that.

–That was the first time all season the Reds committed three errors in one game.

–The Reds went over one million in attendance for the season; this is the earliest point in the season that the Reds have reached that mark since GAB opened.

Source: FanGraphs

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  1. Great win and atomsphere tonight. Glad to hear the Reds are already over 1 million fans this year so far.

  2. The Reds win and all fans can do is find a way to blame Dusty. What did he do wrong tonight? Leave a guy who had thrown 75 pitches in 7.2 innings and one earned run in to face a catcher who had two homers all year? A famous GABP homer cost Arroyo, but his defense did him no favors.

    I think Baker intentionally didn’t make a double switch with Votto and Chapman entering 9th. He could’ve easily had Chapman take Hannahan’s place and have Votto enter on d an bat 9th. I think it was a way to guarantee only one inning from Chapman, which is right move. Dusty did nothing wrong, so find something new to talk about. Like, oh I don’t know, how this team has 40+ wins, but only the losses are given to the manager.

    • @JayBruce32: @JayBruce32: What are you talking about? There is no mention of Arroyo pitching to Maldanado in the 8th except your rant. There is no mention of a double switch with Votto other than your rant. What the heck? You feel the need to defend Dusty against your own accusations?

      • @Shchi Cossack: In defense of JayBruce32, there was this comment in the recap: “–Dusty’s in-game strategies continue to baffle and that’s all I will say about that.” Was that in reference to some other move Dusty made?

        If you read this blog every day like I do, it begins to seem as though the Reds would only have about 2 or 3 losses if Dusty would just for once have listened to the comments here.

        Look, I watch nearly every game and I also say that if I were manager “I would have done this…” or “would not have done that…”, but sitting at our computers, phones, tablets, etc. can we honestly guaranty the outcomes would have been better because of our presumptive decisions?

        • @joelie1274: But, none of what you and JayBruce32 have said has nothing to do with Baker and some of his wacko decisions he has made. They are numerous and obvious. If you don’t want to recognize them, that’s your problem. As well as, that doesn’t mean the posters here only harp on Baker. We’ve gotten on everyone and gives applause for those who have made great plays and great decisions. But, it’s people like you and JayBruce32 who only harp on the singular items of how some will look to hold Baker accountable for his decisions, not even recognizing everything and everyone else.

          • @steveschoen: Steve: it seems disingenuous to imply that Dusty gets criticized in the same way that everyone else does. This site features a remarkable amount of criticism of Dusty, and a good deal of it goes beyond criticism (“he’s stupid. He’s an idiot.”) Nobody will actually come up with an estimate of how many wins the Reds would have now with a different manager, so I’m forced to conclude that the whole business has become an irrational obsession for a number of evidently intelligent commentators. The constant drumbeat of I-hate-Dusty-though-I’ve-never-met-him makes my head hurt. Since we’re Cincinnati fans, not St. Louis fans, this can’t be whining, but constantly complaining about the manager of a team that is 14 games over .500 SOUNDS a lot like whining.

          • @greenmtred: And, again, you fail to state anything that would make Dusty’s wacko decisions seem logical. You are only complaining about the complainers, which would make you and the others who do that just as bad if not worse than the ones doing the complaining.

            See, I am trying to help you all. You need to make some sort of justification that Dusty’s wacko decisions aren’t wacko. “We won the game”? That doesn’t mean Dusty didn’t make a wacko decision. Until you can justify Dusty’s decisions, you all are just as bad if not worse than those who complain about Dusty’s decisions.

          • @steveschoen: You assume that I agree that Dusty’s decisions are “wacko.” Who won the game matters, of course, and really is almost all that matters. I say again, what do you realistically think the Reds’ record would be with a different manager? The manager makes little difference, so I don’t worry about justifying his decisions.

          • @steveschoen: I’m not sure I follow your argument here. I’ll speak only for myself and not JayBruce32, but I was speaking generally about how I feel that the criticism of Dusty goes too far too often in the comments sections of this site. Sure, there are plenty of people who write for and comment on the nation that will speak up when they feel Dusty made the right call. However, quite often decisions that seem obvious to us as spectators of the game may not actually be so obvious to the participants in the game. Once more, there are plenty of times I’m thinking “why in the world did they…?”, but do we not have to take a step back and also think that there could be other factors that we do not know about and are not disclosed to the public?

            On another note, there are a lot of comments such as yours that suggest that the Reds can be “held accountable” for something. We did not vote for the Reds or elect them to office. We are fans. We love them. But they have no true obligation to us. In order for any of us to have any say in the matter, we can “vote with our wallets”, meaning no more going to games, no more watching on tv or via internet, no more merch purchases, etc.

            Last thing, I’m not looking to single any one commenter out. I respect others’ opinions on Dusty and the Reds, but I happen to have my own thoughts on all matters Redleg.

          • @joelie1274: All of what you said is simply rhetoric increased by post like yours. I remember one thread where only one person posted a critique of Baker on it, and the next 25 posts were about how so many people are being too critical of Baker of that decision. When, in fact, it was only one post. As in here, one statement in the writeup by Chad, and you, jaybruce32, and greenmtred are going off on how people are talking are not right in going off on Baker tonight. “people” never did go off on Baker on this article; only one person did. But, you three are making it “people” did.

            Not to mention, you still state nothing to justify Baker’s wacko decisions. See, I am trying to help you. Justify Baker’s decisions will take your argument a long way. Until then, you are just complaining about the complainers, which would make you just as bad if not worse than the complainers.

          • @steveschoen: You know perfectly well that criticism of Baker is a nearly constant theme from multiple commentators on this site. You yourself are doing it now by identifying his decisions as “wacko.”

    • @JayBruce32:
      Completely agree with you JayBruce32. Dusty gets blamed for all the losses. He gets no credit when they win because obviously the team wins inspire of him. It’s amazing. I could be wrong but the Reds have more wins than any team in baseball over the last 2 years. 2/3 years we are in the playoffs. Before he got here we didn’t sniff the playoffs. He must be doing something right. It’s not like we are that loaded with all stars. The roster is seriously flawed. My favorite complaint is “he left the pitcher in too long” or the other great one when it fits the arm chair managers agenda “he took the pitcher out too early”. Jeez, can you just not enjoy a really good team? Nobody is going to hire you.

      • @Redman: Agree, agree. Dusty is not the only manager whom the Reds have had, and he is far more successful than most of the previous ones. Sparky, an extremely successful past Reds manager downplayed (correctly, in my opinion) the importance of the manager, saying that all he did was fill out the lineup card. Managers do more than that, obviously, but the game really hinges on the play of the guys in the field.

      • @Redman: Where has Dusty ever been blamed for a loss? Where did one post on here ever state “I blame Dusty for this loss.” In fact, you can never find anyone posting this. You can only find things like, “Dusty’s in-game strategies continue to baffle and that’s all I will say about that”, and people stretch this into blaming Dusty for the loss, when in fact, it never does.

        You aren’t even talking conspiracy theory here. There is no blame for Dusty for losses. There is blame for his wacko decisions, just like players will get blamed for poor plays.

        • @steveschoen:
          You’re kidding right? You’re actually going to say Dusty doesn’t get blamed for a loss on here? It’s just like the Cincinnati Enquirer board. I’m guessing its Red fans in general. Not all but a whole bunch. They have the best record in all of MLB the last 2 years yet they should win even more in some of your eyes and the reason they don’t is because of Dusty supposedly.

        • @steveschoen:
          So Steve, I’ll play your game. When someone questions Dusty’s “baffling decisions” or calls him an idiot what exactly are they inferring? Seriously?

          • Redman: Exactly what you said, that it is a baffling decision. Why is that so hard to understand? Not that 1 or 2 posters will get on here and state something stupid. But, it’s just as bad when one person simply questions Baker’s decision and other’s get on here stretching that out to blaming Baker for the loss. Shoot, just like in wins, Baker and the players will get called out for bad plays and decisions as well. But, some posters only pay attention to those when we lose.

          • @steveschoen:
            Because you do it on every post. I’m surprised you didn’t refer to him as the “toothpick”. Seriously, it gets old and tired. I’ve been reading this board for quite a while and the Enquirer board as well. It’s always “he left the pitcher in too long” or if that doesn’t work it’s “he took the pitcher out too early”. Jeez, we get it. Now your blaming him for Broxton going on the DL. You don’t like him. It’s like a broken record. Is that so hard to understand?

          • @Redman: Now, you’re reading something that simply isn’t there, my point exactly. Thank you for proving me correct. For, I never said one thing even close to blaming him for Broxton going on the DL. Now, could Dusty have contributed to it if he pitched Broxton knowing he was injured? Sure. That would simply be logical. But, no one has blamed Baker for Broxton going on the DL. If anything, the blame on here has been more on the medical staff for not properly diagnosing the injury in the first place and shutting Broxton down for a time.

            Besides all of this, what does any of it have to do with someone blaming Dusty with a loss? You said people are blaming Dusty with a loss, as in comparing wins and losses, something entirely different than blaming a manager for the loss of a player.

          • @Redman: I’ve also never referred to Dusty as toothpick. I have referred to him as Bakerman. Again, you are reading something that just isn’t there, like others complaining people are blaming Dusty with losses.

    • @JayBruce32: Agreed! Heck, I would take a 41-27 record WITH Cueto and Luddy. The Reds are missing their ace, their 4-hole hitter, anndd have a TERRIBLE bullpen yet still have the 2nd best record in baseball. But yea, Dusty is the worst. My favorite is the criticism of the use of Chapman. Fay was on 700 last night and said that only ONE closer all year in both the NL and AL has come in for more than 3 outs (they lost that game too if you’re keeping score, it was probably Dusty’s fault though). If you want someone who does that with their closer, keep dreaming.

      • @CincyCurt11:

        Well, Mr. Fay must be wrong because I remember that SF brought Romo into a game a week or 2 ago to get a 4 out save (against St. Louis I think). Romo was successful.

        • @YorktownRed:Good catch! I hold my position though. It has happened twice this year in the majors… I can’t fault Dusty for not doing it. If anyone wants a manager that does it CONSISTENTLY you are not going to find them.

          • @CincyCurt11: No one ever said to do it consistently. No one would do it consistently. But, that is by far no argument not to do it, period. It has been in the past, is being done now, and can be done in the future, very easily. Managers like Baker just can’t see far enough out of their box to do it.

            Like what Fay talked of, it seems entirely ignorant not to pitch your best reliever against the other teams best hitters if that’s who’s coming up in the 8th, trying to preserve that best reliever for the 9th where, if it gets that far, he will be seeing worse hitters. It sounds perfectly logical to me.

            Just because it hasn’t ever been done before doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. Just like pitch counts, not too long ago, they were never even considered. Now, they are about as common as hot dogs at the ballgame.

  3. The 8th inning 2 out jinx continues. But good to improve the extra inning record.

    For games that are tied going into the 9th, the Reds have a better chance to win at home than on the road because Chapman pitches the 9th at home.

  4. The Redlegs were pretty sloppy today. Zack Cozart made two errors, and Todd Frazier committed one of his own.

    And right out of the chute too, Chad. Robinson made a couple of nice plays in LF. I’m not sure if XP would have made them or not if he had started in LF against the RHP, but Dusty had Robinson in LF for his defense and Robinson did make the plays.

    I was really glad when I walked into the stadium tonight and saw Votto out of the lineup (although Little Cossack wasn’t real happy about it), but I wish the Big Lutz had played 1B rather than Hannahan. The bottom line was the the Reds’ offense produced as well without Votto tonight as it has with Votto for the past 13 games and the Reds won. GABP did not collapse into the Ohio River and get washed downstream to St. Louis because Votto finally got a rest.

    BRUUUUUUUUUUUUCE continues to impress at the plate. The opposite field HR was a thing of beauty.

    Derrick Robinson has started to cool off at the plate and that bears watching closely, but his downturn at the plate has also coincided with his increased playing time as a LH hitter rather than as a RH hitter in the LF platoon.

    I was glad to see LeCure get back on track and shut down the Brew Crew in the 8th. Since he was already warmed up and ready to go, I would have liked to see him come back out for the 9th too and then be removed for a PH in the bottom of the 9th and yield to Chapman in the 10th, but Chapman and Simon pitched well too. It was nice to see a solid bullpen performance again.

  5. Oh, forgot to mention my favorite play of the night.

    Choo doubles and steals 3B in the 1st inning. With 1 out and the infield pulled in, way in, BP drives the ball into the ground and it bounces over the drawn in infield.

  6. Any time a hitter comes to bat where the pitcher has walked the previous two batters and out of 9 pitches has only throw one for a strike should NOT be hacking at the first two pitches. Fault – manager.

    • @dn4192: How do you figure that? The manager wasn’t in the batter’s box, was he? Do you really believe that managers routinely tell hitters when to swing?

      • @greenmtred: Do you believe that managers and coaches routinely don’t try to instruct hitters on hitting strategy, hitting philosophy, etc.? What would be the reason for a batting coach, then, what Baker was before becoming a manager? Both can easily be seen at fault here, the hitter for even swinging as well as the coaches for not instructing that situation would be an instance not to swing.

        • @steveschoen: I agree with you about swinging at the first pitch. That said, I don’t really know the entirety of a hitting coach’s responsibilities, but suspect it largely concerns helping batters with mechanics. I further suspect that few of them micromanage at-bats, since who knows when a hittable pitch will be thrown?

  7. early on everyone was quick to give the team mvp to either phillips, choo or votto. Jay Bruce has been really good the past month and a half….hope he can keep it up! (wouldn’t that be wonderful)

    • @zab1983: Good point. I’ve had the feeling for awhile that Bruce has been–dare I say it–CONSISTENTLY very good. He’s not putting up the video game numbers he sometimes does on a hot streak, but he also hasn’t been ice cold. He’s been going to the opposite field a lot more this season, and even hitting LH pitching well. I don’t mind the Jay Bruce of the last few years like some people in Reds Country, but this Jay Bruce is even better.

  8. With the Bruce heroics and the angst over another lead coughed up in the eighth, we shouldn’t lose site of another amazing, gutty game by Bronson. (He got squeezed horribly by the ump before the homerun in the eighth. It was kind of weird.) Bronson just finds ways to get it done, even managing to work around 3 errors behind him. The Cardinals game and the playoffs last year show that he doesn’t just beat up on the terrible teams, either. I admit I hold my breath on almost every pitch, but he somehow comes through again and again. Viva Bronson!

    • @Eric the Red: My feelings exactly. Everyone seems to assume that the Reds will and should part company with Bronson after this year, and I’m not so certain; his style seems to transcend age, and he won’t be easy to replace.

  9. picked Bruce for beat the streak, he always kills the brewers

  10. Bruce may not be having a “breakout” season. But, I have been seeing some improvement in him. I have noticed him trying to actively attempt to hit the other way as well as improve his BA against left handed pitching. The only thing I see he needs to cut down on still are his K’s, on pace for about 200, wiping out his previous career high.

    I didn’t see the game. But, from what I can tell, it seems like Bronson got beat up the entire game some, not having an east 1-2-3 inning all night. One could question him leaving Bronson out there, with Bronson’s propensity for letting go of a HR ball. But, more with me, in what is a tie game at the time, I don’t understand why he didn’t bring in Chapman in the 8th or Lecure back in the 9th. In a game that could easily be going extra innings, he just burned a pitcher we could be using for those extra innings.

    Again, just like when he had Leake, a right handed batter hitting 300 against left handed pitching, sacrifice bunt against a left handed pitcher so that Choo, a left handed batter hitting less than 200 against left handed pitching, can try to drive in the run against a left handed pitcher, an obviously bad decision, the Reds are fortunate enough to win “in spite of” Baker’s decision.

    • @steveschoen: Bruce is not having a breakout season, he’s having a Bruce season. About average, maybe slightly above, for a RF.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: You’ve pointed this out before, and I know that you are right. One difference, though, which may be a hopeful sign, is Jay’s previously noted tendency this year to go to the opposite field.

  11. Also worth noting: Thank you Miami. Pulling out a rare win, and a win against the WLB’s of all team. We love you guys like the Reds. Wanna trade Stanton (3-4 last night)?

    • @Matt WI: Forget Stanton. I want the pitcher who shut down the Cardinals, Fernandez. He’s 20 years old, can throw in the high 90s and has some devastating secondary pitches. When he learns how to use his gifts, he’s going to be a stud.

      • @Eric the Red: I’d be ok of the Reds went and got Cliff Lee or something instead of a bat. Then Cingrani really become a bullpen luxury if needed in the stretch run.

        • @Matt WI: I wasn’t really suggesting we get Fernandez. Even Miami isn’t that crazy. I was just highlighting that he’s going to be a heck of a pitcher going forward.

  12. Reds recalled RHP Pedro Villarreal from Triple-A Louisville.

    Reds placed RHP Jonathan Broxton on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to June 14, with a right elbow flexor strain.

    You have to think the Reds will look to pick up someone in trade.

    • Reds placed RHP Jonathan Broxton on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to June 14, with a right elbow flexor strain.

      There is so much wrong with this development that I simply don’t know where to begin.

      Broxton pitched 1 inning on the 8th & 9th, then didn’t pitch again until the 13th because he was experiencing pain in his elbow and was still experiencing pain when he pitched on the 13th. Broxton is examined by Kemcheck and an unltrsound was completed only AFTER Broxton pitched on the 13th with a known, existing problem with his elbow? The diagnosis is a strained flexor and everyone is apparently going to pretend that sending Broxton out ot pitch on the 13th without a proper examination was sound judgement or that such an action didn’t aggravate his condition?

      Take your pick…

      Broxton volunteered to take the mound with a known, existing elbow problem that had not been properly evaluated. Dusty sent Broxton to the mound with a known, existing elbow problem that had not been properly evaluated. Lessard allowed Broxton to pitch with a known, existing elbow problem that had not been properly evaluated. Krmcheck allowed Broxton to pitch with a known, existing elbow problem that had not been properly evaluated. WJ is responsible for the actions of every one of these individuals and the environment where Reds’ players are not properly evaluated and treated until after the fact.

  13. Not particularly relevant or probably even interesting to most, but as I purused the lineups before the game last night, I noticed the slash lines of the starting 1B for the Reds (.212/.278/.273) & Brew Crew (.218/.248/.374). OUCH! By the end of the game, the slash lines of the starting 1B had regressed even further for the Reds (.203/.263/.261) & Brew Crew (.213/.242/.366). Like I said, no real relevance. I just found it unusual.

  14. At the start of play today, the top 3 records in MLB are all in the NL Central.

    • @Eric the Red: The Reds wake up on Saturday, 6/15/2013, with more than 40% of the season in the books and have the 2nd best record in MLB. That feels good, especially after another walk-off HR by BRUUUUUUUUUUCE in extra innings last night.

  15. Baseball can be a funny game sometimes, especially in GABP.

    The Brew Crew fielded a funky lineup against Arroyo last night. The top of the order (even without Braun in the lineup) rivaled the lineup fielded by the Birds or ROX:

    .303/.376/.398 Aoki
    .339/.374/.545 Segura
    .326/.366/.594 Gomez
    .292/.375/.450 Ramirez

    The bottom of the lineup, well not quite as formidable:

    .225/.279/.300 Schafer
    .168/.240/.295 Maldonado
    .167/.250/.278 Gennett

    So how does Arroyo perform against these players:

    The top of the order was 4-19 with 1 BB, 5 SO, 1 2B & 1 Run Scored.

    The bottom of the lineup was 7-14 with 2 SO, 2 2B, 2 HR, 3 RBI & 2 Runs Scored.

    Baseball can be a funny game sometimes, especially in GABP.

  16. The Reds are at a crossroads with their pitching.

    Villareal is clearly the bottom of the barrel as far as the 40 man roster. They have publicly acknowledged that the proposition of keeping Cingrani at the MLB level to bolster the bullpen is under consideration.

    They’ll want to tread softly here as if Cingrani spends more than a week or two on bullpen duty, he likely will be lost as a starter for the rest of the season. The thought of Zach Duke or Armando Galaragga as the sixth (reserve) starter is somewhat unsettling. It may be time for a trade.

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Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.


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