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Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.06.07)

The Reds have a tough task in game 1 as Adam Wainwright and his 8-3 record faces off against Mike Leake.  But when you take a closer look, the two have pretty similar ERAs so maybe the Reds can steal game 1 with their #5 pitcher. 

My dislike for the Cardinals isn’t a secret.  I want nothing more than for the Reds to take it to the Cardinals in this game and in this series.  So let’s get it done Redlegs!  Beat the WLBs!  Go Reds!!!

158 thoughts on “Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds (2013.06.07)

  1. Would Matheny have Cozart in the 2 hole or XP? Already proven to be a pivotal moment both tonight and every night.

  2. I’d hold off on walking toward the ledge guys. This is our #5 vs. their #1.

    • @Mwv: Our 5 who has only given up 1 run in the last 27 innings. Maybe I have expected too much to repeat vs. what seems to be the best team in the league.

      • @George Culver: #5 is #5 is my point. We all knew Leake was over-performing. We also know how good Wainwright is. I just get a little irritated when I see all the folks commenting with the “let’s just give up” attitude I guess. Call me cranky from watching the game thus far, no worries.

    • @Mwv: What metric do we beat them in? I mean dig deep. IBBs on lead off hitters? Fielding percentage by RFers? The Cards are legit.

      • @eric nyc: Stuff like this. Both teams are good. I don’t see either team being substantially better than the other. Are you asking if the Cards are hotter right now? Sure, seems like it.

  3. Did Frazier lose track of the number of outs? It looked like he started to leave 2nd base after the 2nd out but I couldn’t tell for sure.

    • @HOF-13: Frazier absolutely lost track of how many outs there were. Makes you wonder that if Frazier’s head isn’t in the game, are the other players in the same state of mind.

  4. Leake didn’t pitch extremely bad. The umpire wasn’t his friend and it was that one long AB that did him in.

  5. We’re seeing a real professional team show a semi-professional team how to play.

    Cards are hitting .340 with RISP AS A TEAM! That is 90 points higher than the Reds team batting average.

    • @RedForever: Definitely agree – Dusty is not the answer today – nor was he last October. The Reds need fire and we get TOOTHPICK. And JOKE-rrty is just that – a JOKE!

      The Cards are by far more disciplined hitters – and yes the better team. Why did Dusty put Ondru.SUCK in the 6th inning? Now the Cards are not going to hit .340 RISP the rest of the year – NO WAY.

  6. Even as bad as it looks tonight, Thom Brennaman and Jeff Brantley couldn’t sound anymore defeated if they tried.

  7. Time to put a merciful end to the Logan Ondrusek experiment. Dude is done! Put a fork in him and send him back to AA or release him.

  8. Just need a quick touchdown, and we’re right back in this one.

  9. Please Latos, bring your A game tomorrow. I’ve seen enough tonight.

  10. Cards are u there just trying to get base hits while the Reds are always up there trying to hit 8 run homers. That is why the Cards are as good as they are and why the Reds are going to be also-rans.

  11. You can build a good record playing against bad teams, but your true colors show when you play against winners.

  12. Even the Cards announcers were surprised the Reds weren’t walking Kozma. One said I respect Dusty Baker but I don’t know why he didn’t walk Kozma. I can tell him why. Its because Dusty is always trying to prove he’s smarter then the average bear.

  13. Choo in about as bad a slump as anyone could be in. And an extended slump at that.

  14. Will someone please stick jocketty with a stick to see if he’s alive? The reds bullpen is not good. I think it’s funny that some say hey the reds have the second best record in MLB. That’s only because the got fat on atrocious teams. Jocketty fiddles while the reds burn. Brutal!

  15. I’m hoping Latos has a great game tomorrow and then for “good Bronson” to show up Sunday. I’d love for the Reds to not be 6 games back after this series.

  16. So.. I haven’t watched, and looking at the 7-0 score and 2 hits by the Reds, I am glad I didn’t. I do have to ask though.. did he really leave in Ondrusek to give up 4 runs in 1 inning? That seems an awful lot like raising the white flag on the game in the 6th inning.

  17. Jeesh fellows. It’s June 7th for God’s sake. We have the second best record in MLB and with arguably the worst manager in the league. The season will play out. Yes the Cards are red-hot “right now” but so was Choo a couple of weeks ago and we see what has happened. Ebb and flow dudes. I just don’t think the Cards will win 120 games this year.

    To me the big thing is to keep an eye on Cueto because without a doubt he is a #1 and we need him back and healthy. Latos is not and neither are the other 3. Latos is a nice pitcher but at this point he is a #2. My advice is take a vacation if you can.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Dusty doesn’t really start focusing until after the ASB. Not my approach but it is his. If we are close at that point, I’m good. If not? Not so much then.

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I don’t think anyone is really worried about the 162. The Reds just have too much talent to not win enough to go to the playoffs, serious injuries aside. The biggest problem is that “….with arguably the worst manager in the league.”

      When it comes to that 5 game series, how many people actually thing Dusty can win it? He’s had tons of talented teams, yet there’s a reason he’s only got 1 NL Pennant and 0 World Series in 19 years. How hard is it to have 3 straight losing seasons with Barry Bonds on your team? It took Barry Bonds to have a 1.381 OPS just to get that pennant.

      Even with this year’s winning % at .600 and last year’s at .599, his career winning % is .526, which isn’t exactly amazing. I just have no faith in Dusty. At all.

      • : I don’t think anyone is really worried about the 162. The Reds just have too much talent to not win enough to go to the playoffs, serious injuries aside.

        That’s not what I’m picking up tonight. By the way, I totally agree with all the rest of your thoughts.

      • @ToddAlmighty: I am very very very worried about the 162. In any other division, we’d be a lock for the pennant. But it’s looking an awful lot like its going to be a struggle to take the division from the Cards. Pre-2011 who cares. Now with this ridiculous one game play-in we might have to roll the dice on one stupid game even if we win 100 games.

      • @ToddAlmighty: Hey Todd, the Reds really needed a few youngsters to step up this year and they simply have NOT:

        1. Cozart
        2. Frazier
        3. Bruce
        4. Mesoraco

        And then how does a sh.it like Kozma have a big game…

        COme on!

  18. I would have left Ondrusek in. I mean, it’s June, the Reds are down by a lot of runs vs a great pitcher. You save it for tomorrow.

    Many people here want to play each game like it’s the playoffs. In the playoffs, you’d have taken Leake out after the 2nd run (well, I would have, but not Dusty). And you bring in a good reliever. This isn’t the playoffs.

  19. Hey! Don’t worry be happy, its only April, its only May, its only June, its …

    • @Sergeant2: Thanks Sarge – that is an excellent point. The Nation depends on you to keep a cool head when all hell is breaking loose.

    • @Sergeant2: The Reds showed their colors when they lost a series sweep to the Cubs, then the Pirates and then looked like junk against the Rockies.

      Trust me, we are going to see more of the same


  20. I would get Manny some work tonight so he would be unavailable for the rest of this series. “Dusty-proof”, ya know?

  21. Its just really frustrating to lose to the stupid Cardinals. But we need to realize that Cardinal pitcher Adam Wainright is one of if not the best pitchers in either league, I’m talking possible Cy Young award winner. Plus we were throwing our #5 starter against a hot Cardinals team. Reds fans still have faith in the team, I think we’re just letting off a little frustration steam. Nuttin’ wrong with that.

    • @Sergeant2: I said a few weeks ago he’s better than Cueto. And he is. Cueto’s very good, but he’s not Wainwright.

      I don’t understand why folks expected to win this game. What’s happened is fairly expected. And it’s what the Reds should do tomorrow to Lyons. Will they? Stay tuned.

    • @Sergeant2: Excuses excuses excuses. We need to be able to score runs against CY candidates if we want to be a championship contender. We can’t give up 7 runs in 6 innings no matter who’s pitching. Cincinnati sports fandom is just a study in lowered expectations…

      • @eric nyc: So, tomorrow, if we had Cueto going, and they had their 9th string starter in Lyons going, they should score 5 runs, and they should expect Lyons to pitch great. It just doesn’t work.

        I’m not happy, and I don’t have lowered expectations, but when you pitch Leake vs Wainwright, you’re going to lose most of the time. That’s undeniable.

  22. While I’d have left Ondrusek in, I’d rather he be pitching for Louisville. He’s just not good.

    • @RedForever: Yeah, let’s bring in Chapman to preserve an 8-2 deficit with two innings left. That’d be brilliant.

        • @RedForever: You’re unbelievable. He IS on the roster. You’re dodging the question. That Parra shouldn’t be a Red is a different point than whether he should be in the game now.

          Baker’s done nothing wrong this game, aside from the usual Cozart batting 2nd. They are simply getting their brains beaten in.

        • @RedForever:

          Another JOKE.rrty move

          He is as much the culprit as is clueless Dusty

          Needed momentum coming into this series – and we lay a t.u.r.d against the Rockies.

          Who is steering this version of the Titanic?

    • @RedForever: @Sergeant2: Get real. Had you rather burn one of the better relievers from what appears to be a not-as-good-as-expected bullpen or try to win the next two games of the series?

  23. Reds bullpen has got to be one of the worst in baseball now. They were so good last year and so bad this year.

  24. I think we are looking at a 3 game dominate sweep by the Cards and I think that is a good thing.. This franchise from top to bottom needs a wake up call and as it did in 2010, a three game sweep at the hands of the Cards is needed to maybe turn things around.

    • @dn4192:

      Hey dn, I am concerned about the same.

      This team looks listless – w/o a real leader (where’s Pete or at least Lou when we really need them)?

      And JV looks like ….

      And our core of young players (Mesoraco, Frazier, Cozart and possibly Bruce) look like…


  25. My wife wants to know why the Reds management doesn’t get rid of some of these players? Can someone give me a reasonable answer?

  26. Joey Votto is totally discombobulated at the plate. He’s beyond frustrated. His behavior is getting a little bizarre. IMHO

  27. They’re going to need Lecure tomorrow, and he’s going to be unavailable. Why not leave Parra in?

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I was trying to figure out why Dusty would use 4 relievers in a blowout. I guess he feels like he needs to keep from burning out Parra. Probably using LeCure instead of Simon in case he needs Simon to mop up tomorrow.

  28. Pretty weird using Sam here. Not that it matters, we’re outclassed. Cards got a heckuva ballclub

  29. Sam did his job, now for the payoff. All the Reds gotta do is score 8 runs in the bot. of the 9th for the win. Sound the Charge!! Go Reds!

  30. I’m looking forward to tomorrows game. Gonna be a good old good one. I expect the Reds players are gonna want to show they ain’t exactly chopped liver. Look for Latos to go high and tight with his pitches. Ain’t gonna be no Cardinals getting comfortable at the plate tomorrow. Go Reds!! Adios Amigos.

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