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  1. Anyone think Homer really hates throwing to Mes for some reason, or is Dusty crazy enough to be playing Corky this often on purpose?

  2. In all seriousness Dusty definetly has some personal problem with mesoraco.

  3. please, please, please bean Molina today.

    let’s go redlegs.

  4. I hope cozart stays above the Mendoza Line! Go Reds!

  5. Go, go, go Reds!

  6. Reds did pickup Mark Teahen in a trade today for the dreaded PTBNL.

    He will report to Louisville.

    • Reds did pickup Mark Teahen in a trade today for the dreaded PTBNL.He will report to Louisville.

      Really? I watched him with the Royals. He was pretty impressive. Maybe this is a reclamation project.

  7. I see the Reds are showing patience at the plate today, as usual.

  8. Beautiful day for baseball, 80 degrees and sunny. Lets play two. Go Reds!! Hopefully Corky is wearing his knee high Red Stockings. Knee highs equals less wind resistance, which equals more speed, which equals a better chance of Corky successfully steal second.

  9. That is so uncool:

    “please, please, please bean Molina today.

    let’s go redlegs.”

    I just want molina to block the plate when big Lutz is trying to score his first run

  10. Every time Baker does something stupid, people always wonder if he’s got some ulterior motive. (Homer hates Mes, Baker wants to make a “point” to the organization, Baker is trying to send a “message” to a player, etc.) Newsflash: Baker makes a lot of stupid decisions because he isn’t terribly bright. Let’s stop trying to imagine there’s anything else going on.

  11. Teahen hasn’t played in the majors since 2011.
    He batted .200/.273/.300 in 2011 and .258/.327/.382 in 2010.

    • Teahen hasn’t played in the majors since 2011.
      He batted .200/.273/.300 in 2011 and .258/.327/.382 in 2010.

      So in other words: he’s a pretty good fit for the organization.

    • @RedForever: I’d take the 2010 numbers in a pinch for an extra infielder.

  12. Nice start for Homer!

  13. Those were some generous called strikes on the last batter.

  14. FYI- The Reds @ Cardinals is the free game today on t.v.

  15. Bruuuuuce showing some power. let’s go superT.

  16. Tremendous hustle by Bruce getting to third base with one out.

  17. Alright Super Todd, put it in play and it’s 1-0 most likely.

  18. I’m always optimistic when a ball is hit to left against this team.

  19. By the way, I would love to have seen Bruce’s “Triple”.

  20. It is really mind blowing to me that Corky has gotten so many starts since coming up. Mesraco has been one of the more consistent hitters we’ve had.

  21. Can I wish for a Sparky-like moment from Dusty and pinch hit for Corky in the 2nd inning?

  22. I’m at work and stuck with only Gameday. How did Bruce not score on a fly ball deep enough to advance Frazier from first to second?

  23. Nah, why would we have wanted XP up in that situation, or Mes? We can have the AA guy and the career minor leaguer instead.

    • Nah, why would we have wanted XP up in that situation, or Mes?We can have the AA guy and the career minor leaguer instead.

      Gotta get Lutzy going.

  24. The 7,8,9 spots in the order are making me a little sick.

  25. Slobby Badass.

  26. Regardless of the result, not pitching to Corky is a mistake by the Cards. You can’t rely on getting the double play with Choo coming up.

    • @CP: whoops…my bad. There are 2 outs. Still think it is a mistake.

      • @CP: You’re still right. Would have been better not to flip the line-up over for a career .180 hitter.

  27. Should have sent the runner and taken the chance, especially with .125 hitting Miller coming up.

  28. they are very scared of Corky.

  29. So now Lutz is starting over X Paul now?

    • @RiverCity Redleg: Gotta get Lutzy going.

    • So now Lutz is starting over X Paul now?

      Baker’s MO. New guy called up doesn’t play first game, PH second game, makes start on getaway day. I just thought maybe he’d “save” the Lutz start for a Cubs game instead of putting him out there against Lance Lynn and the Cardinals.

  30. Well that was disappointing.

  31. You’d have thought Lutz might have wanted his first big league AB to last a little longer.

  32. Lynn up to 40 pitches in two innings, though. Reds are making him work and can hopefully get to the terrible middle relief in the Cardinal bullpen.

  33. National league baseball gentlemen. Walk Corky Miller to get to the pitcher.

    Pure strategy!

  34. pitched Molina inside (for a strike) for once – and it worked. that was even better than hitting him.

  35. I agree that 15-13 in April is not bad considering the strength of schedule and the injuries. It’s hard not to feel like our manager left a few on the field though, between really questionable bullpen usage and playing time decisions.

  36. It might have got lost in the beginning of the thread, there was some talk as to why Corky over Meso today: Not a Baker apologist, don’t get me wrong, but it is a day game after a night game. Meso would have the day off regardless of who was filling out the lineup.

    • @RedLeg75: but that’s ridiculous. We have an off day tomorrow, and Mes is young. And he’s not slated to catch 150 games this season. Oh, and we’re playing the Cardinals.

      • @Eric the Red: I don’t mean you’re ridiculous, I mean Corky catching because it’s a day game is ridiculous. Sorry if that wasn’t clear and I gave offense 🙂

    • @RedLeg75: It’s not uncommon, but it’s also not true that every manager does it the same way. Note that Yadi Molina is catching today, there’s one example for you.

      And if Baker knew that he was going to rest Mesoraco today, then there’s no reason that Corky should have started two days ago.

      Since Hannigan has gone down, they’ve basically shared time, and that’s crazy.

      • @al: I’ve been working alot and not keeping up on things day-to-day. Able to catch a game today. Al, you’re right on then. Yadi is catching today. And Baker is dumb, again, if the time share at Reds C is how you have described it. The manager has to maximize Meso’s atbats, he has proven lately he can handle pitchers other than Leake.

  37. Is Lutz worth anything in potential trade for LFer?

    • @jas_428: Probably, but I think the Reds have big plans for him in the future. He’s just not ready right now. Although, I think most anybody should be available for the right trade.

  38. anyone think dusty’s advice to lutz in his first ab was “go up there swinging son”? lol

  39. The Cards announcers are talking about Votto being asked to expand his zone to drive in more runs.

    This has become a consistent talking point and it drives me nuts. Not just because I think having a guy get on base nearly half the time is good, but from a hitting stand point.

    I read a great article a few yeras back about Robinson Cano, after he had his big breakout power year. The thing that he credited for increasing his power wasn’t a change in his swing, it was a change in what pitches he swung at. Borderline pitches, pitcher’s pitches, and outright balls can’t be hit hard unless you’re a freak like Vlad Guerrero.

    So telling Votto to expand his zone not only would decrease his OBP, but it likely would decrease his slugging percentage and RBI also. It would only increase the number of outs he makes.

    • @al: they explicitly mentioned based on the in game scenario

      • @zab1983: That’s the bleeping point! There is no scenario where you would want Votto swinging at bad pitches because you can’t hit bad pitches well. That’s why they’re called BAD pitches.

        There’s some sort of delusion amongst old-tymie fans and announcers that a guy can just will an RBI if he’s a good hitter, even if the ball is a slider down and away off the plate.

        “Hey, the game was on the line, why didn’t he expand his zone!?”

        Because that’s how you get out! Makes absolutely no sense to me.

        • @al: I wasn’t necessarily disagreeing with you (although down 1 in 9th with guy on 3rd and less than 2 outs i wouldn’t mind seeing votto expand zone a bit) was just saying that cards’ announcers were saying that in general they love votto’s approach, but maybe in certain instances he could be a little more liberal?

          • @zab1983: @RedLeg75: Sure, I agree that in general they weren’t bashing Votto. I agreed with them right up until they started saying that there are situations where Votto should swing at bad pitches.

            And that’s the thing, you can track this kind of stuff now.

            Here are the league stats for
            Swinging outside the zone: 29.1 %
            Swinging inside the zone: 64.4 %

            And here’re Votto’s numbers: 20.7% & 63.8%

            So it’s hardly that he never swings at balls outside of the zone, or at borderline pitches. There’s this idea that he never takes the bat off his shoulder.

            But clearly he swings at almost exactly the league average of pitches in the zone, and is a bit more selective than the average hitter outside of the zone.

            And that, along with his great swing, is why he’s a great hitter.

    • @al: Exactly. This line of thinking is so elementary, it baffles me how so many otherwise intelligent people don’t see this.

    • @al: I’d expect that Votto listens to no one other than himself when it comes to how he should hit a baseball. Joey does what works for him. If Votto starts taking advice from Marty, that’s a $20M a year problem.

  40. Just to add to the stupidity of Miller playing today… When Hanigan returns, Mes is probably playing no more than 2/5 of the games. So there’s absolutely zero long-term fatigue issue. This decision comes down entirely to whether he’s capable of catching a day game after a night game, and I can’t believe Molina is capable of it but Mes isn’t. It’s just plain stupid.

  41. Just trade Chapman for a power hitting LF already.

    • @Jason1972: But who else can possibly pitch an inning here and there without giving up a three run lead? Nobody.

    • @Jason1972:

      Just 10 more days til his bobblehead game, and honestly yeah I wouldn’t mind seeing him traded if we can get value for him. Reds aren’t ever gonna use him to his full potential.

    • I want to start up the dejesus bandwagon again. Maybe we could pry him away for leake and lutz? IDK. Offense is hard to come by in baseball but would like to see dejesus and choo at top of reds’ order. i agree LF is a black hole for reds right now

  42. well at this point it’s pretty obvious the final score will be 2-1. Hope the reds are on the bright side of that! Bailey carrying the team again!

  43. This may be covered higher in the thread, but this game is the free game today.

  44. @zab1983 – I’ve always like DeJesus. I think he’d look great in a Reds’ uniform. Not sure I’d give up Leake for him though.

  45. must be nice to have a #2 hitter that can hit

  46. How many pitches is Lynn at? If he’s around for a while, it might be another 1-0 loss for the Redlegs…

  47. XP is hitting .268/.318/.366 with 9 RBI in 41 ABs. Robinson has a .375 OBP. Obviously these aren’t great numbers, but the Reds do have better options than Lutz. Baker just isn’t aware of them because he’s stupid.

    • @fakename: I don’t really mind Lutz starting. It’s hardly like the other’s are worldbeaters, and he may still hit a HR this game. He’s got pop.

      Now starting Corky over Mesoraco, and batting Cozart #2, those I have problems with.

      • @al: Corky may still hit a home run too. What’s the difference? Neither one of them are major league hitters. And once in a while Cozart has a good offensive game, and for all we know today would have been one of those days. The point is, Baker should maximize the chance of winning every single game instead of going with the “Lutz may hit one out” strategy.

    • must… have… offense…

  48. Atta boy, Homer!

  49. It would be really great if the Reds could start hitting HR’s again.

    Was Heisey the last one to hit one out?

  50. Clog those bases and score some runs.

  51. Good job of damage control by Homer.

  52. Sigh, NL baseball.

    • @CP: An exciting play with a perfect throw to cut down a runner at second? I hardly think that’s what most people would think when they read “Sigh, NL baseball.”

      • @al: Pitchers hitting & (god forbid) running bases, or Billy Butler mashing doubles?

        Easy choice.

        • @CP: That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it.

          I just think it’s getting pretty desperate when what you’re complaining about is a pitcher getting a single and almost hustling it into a double. That’s just good baseball.

          Save the complaining for when a pitcher goes down weakly on 3 pitches, I think.

          • @al: Sure, noted. That play, or perhaps Mike Leake going 3-3 or something is probably the peak excitement of watching a pitcher hit. I’ll give you that.

            I’m generally an optimistic poster (I gripe a bit about Mes’ playing time, and how Dusty uses Cozart, but hey, I’m a Reds fan 4 life.

  53. Yep he was out. I thought he was safe at first look, but replay clearly showed he was out.

  54. So, Corky swings at hte first pitch, then Homer gets thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double? (Can only go by Gameday… has the game blacked out here, though Im’ not sure why)

    • @Bill Lack: yes. And if Homer makes another comment about the lack of offense like he did after his last start, I hope someone asks him directly whether he has any issues with pitching to the offensively superior Mesoraco.

    • @Bill Lack: Homer hit it off the end of the bat down the RF line. It then hit the wall and kicked away from Beltran, but he recovered and made a perfect throw.

      If Bruce had made the same throw in the previous inning he would have had Carpenter by more than they got Bailey.

  55. Our pitchers should never slide head first. Yikes.

  56. Anyone else find it interesting that Baker is playing Miller more, with Hanigan out, than he was playing Mesoraco, when Hanigan was well? Miller is TERRIBLE offensively. I won’t speak to his job behind the plate (though his arm doesn’t impress me), offensively he looks like a beer league softball player.

  57. Nice play by Lutz there in left.

  58. And was Corky involved in calling that throw over with Votto not on the bag?

  59. Well it is a quick game so far. I won’t say TOS because I don’t think that’s really the case. I will say that this offense is sure stinking at the moment though.

  60. That balk might end up on a blooper reel somewhere. But no harm, no foul.

  61. Bailey: 5 5 1 1 0 3 line thru 5, good enough most days. Clog the bases. Score runs.

  62. @RedLeg75 – Heck look at Arroyo’s line from last night. I’ll take that every night from just about any pitcher. Not good enough lately though. Almost have to throw a shutout to get a win right now.

  63. The offense is definitely stinking but seems like it’s really snakebit right now. I try to watch a lot of the games and it seems like we’re just missing the good pitches and getting poor calls from umpires at times. Also, in the field, squibbers go for hits for other teams and ours go to the other team. This does not condone the poor at bats we have at times to though.

  64. Brandon is MONEY.

  65. BP!!!!

  66. BP’s RBI double after one of those base-clogging walks by Votto is why Dusty doesn’t want to move BP from the 4-hole to the 2-hole.

  67. Atta boy Dat Dude!

  68. Marty correctly asking where someone (Dusty?) expects to find offense with this lineup.

    Talks about Cozart, remarks about Frazier’s terrible slump…then somehow equates Corky=Hanigan=Mes I guess? Weird. One of these is not like the others.

    He didn’t go after Bruce, though, so that’s a positive development.

  69. Basically, Dusty’s reasoning is probably that BP is really the only guy he can count on to drive in runs at the moment. Heck, even Frazier has been struggling lately.

  70. A) Joey’s not paid to walk. B) Brandon’s hit was nice, but it didn’t come with RISP, so I’m not sure if it counts. /sarcasm/

  71. What are these guys doing? Taking bad pitches? Working the count? Attempting to steal at an APPROPRIATE time? Has Baker lost control of the team?

  72. Bruce just swung through 3 straight fastballs. He’s really pulling off the ball.

  73. Bruce has been getting some flack on social media about his lack of home runs and “he responded on some twitters last night.” I love responding to twitters!

  74. I’m afraid the league is starting to notice Frazier’s willingness to swing at almost anything low and away.

  75. Didn’t Frazier realize he was going to get walked that AB, unless he got himself out?

  76. Dang. Really needed to get Phillips in.

  77. Marty: Quite honestly, Jay Bruce has never been a good RBI man in his entire career, in terms of driving in runners in scoring position.

    Facts: Bruce career 2500+ AB

    OPS with bases empty: .798
    OPS with RISP: .799

    Baseball-Reference compiles a statistic that shows the percentage of all runners driven in by the batter. It includes ground balls and sacrifice fly RBIs. The Major League average is 14%.

    Jay Bruce 2012: 16%
    Jay Bruce career: 14%

    Marty has a verbal tell. Whenever he starts a sentence with ‘quite honestly’ you can generally count on an ill-informed opinion following.

  78. What did Gameday think of that 2-2 pitch to Craig? Looked like a strike to me.

  79. Just can’t get Carpenter out.

  80. Cardinals get a ground ball single then a broken bat bloop. Good hitting, but also good pitching.

  81. Great pitch by Homer to Carpenter. Broke his bat and Homer unlucky it found a hole over second.

  82. And off come the wheels.

  83. Bailey is coming unglued Marty says.

  84. Dammit man.

  85. Oh well, there it went. Normally I have a “never say die” attitude about the Reds but the way the offense has been lately, I’m not feeling there’s much of a chance for them to come off the mat and pull this one out.

    • @LWBlogger: Baker’s lineup, as always, will maximize chances for Cozart. So there’s always hope.

      • @fakename: But who do you put in that 2-hole? BP would be the best fit but he’s also the only one Dusty feels like he can trust to drive in runs right now.

        • @LWBlogger: Frazier > Cozart, it’s that simple.

          Either put Frazier cleanup or #2. But there’s absolutely no reason for Cozart to get more ABs than Frazier.

        • @LWBlogger: I wouldn’t mind seeing what Robinson can do in the two-hole. He’s a switch hitter so can’t go with the ever-popular “3 straight lefties” argument. Unlike when Izturis and Cozart hit, I don’t feel like he’s an automatic out. I know he doesn’t have a quality minor league track record, but he’s seemed to hold his own so far, which is a recognized small sample.

  86. Listening to Marty (this season) is more frustrating than the fact the Cardinals are winning. I’m going outside and turning him off. I hope they come back and take it.

    • @Zach: I turned him off today. I know I’m in the minority on this, but I really like Brantley. He’s the only reason I listen to WLW. But Marty is just insufferable when the Reds aren’t playing well. It’s miserable enough watching the team struggle, but to hear the team’s broadcaster constantly — constantly — bash the players is just too much. And it’s not like he offers any real insight because so much of what he says is totally wrong. Sigh.

    • @Zach: Agreed, he’s hitting some nerves today. I think Molina might be his favorite player in the league. I’m frustrated as it is with Bruce and Frazier striking out one right after the other to end the top 6th, dont need sMarty going on and on.

  87. I can’t fault Bailey for coming unglued. The way the offense has been lately a pitcher has to think that he needs to be nearly perfect. As soon as he gave up runs on bleeders he had to think he was in line for a loss.

    • @LWBlogger: See, here’s the thing… Bailey never was at a loss for glue. That was what Marty saw. I’m watching the same game. Bailey threw some pitches that fell in for hits. His visible emotion never wavered. Marty paints a different picture than what is really happening sometimes.

  88. Baker is to Mesocaco what Narron was to Edwin Encarnacion…..

    And we all saw what had to happen for Edwin to finally break out.

  89. I think Walt may have to make a move to improve the offense this season if the plan is to win the World Series.

    I assume that Bruce will come around, though it’s getting pretty late for him to have a 35HR season.

    Choo, Votto, and Phillips have all been good as expected.

    Frazier is playing about to expectations so far, which is just average.

    But other than those 5, pretty much everyone else has been bad. Mesoraco and Hanigan will provide decent OBP I think.

    That leaves LF and SS. Ludwick may be all we can hope for in LF. How long will they go with Cozart is the question.

  90. The Reds look moribund. This is difficult to watch. I thought the team was out to make amends for the collapse in September. This is brutal.

  91. The way Marty is praising the Cardinal hitters for making contact with ball a priority, and then Cowboy pointing out how John Jay was choking up on the bat in order to make contact with ball, the first thing that came to my mind was it sounded like the hitters were well coached. Just the opposite of how the Reds hitters look at this point in time.

  92. * October collapse

  93. Well, the Cardinals pen has been terrible this year. Hopefully the Reds can steal one.

  94. With Lutz and Miller playing, the Reds are essentially giving automatic outs with 2 of the 8 position players. This is like a basketball coach instructing one of his players to remain on the defensive end at all times.

  95. And the Reds down to their last 3 outs.

    • @LWBlogger: At least Cozart will have made his usual maximum number of opportunities to make outs. I only wish Lutz and Miller would have been at the top of the order to maximize their opportunities as well. I’m sure Baker will get that straightened out.

  96. WJ has got to do something soon, bite the bullet and go get a Mark Trumbo from the struggling Angels. Trumbo batting 4th and hitting 475-foot HR’s and Frazier batting 6th hitting 480-foot bombs. Thats what we want to see. Not Jay Bruce flailing away at anything a pitcher throws to the plate.

  97. Why the Reds let Corky hit in the 7th, down by 3 runs, is beyond me.

    The same probably goes for Zack at this point, but I’m not sure if anyone on the bench is better (guess they could double switch Mes/Izturis).

    • @CP: Could certainly have given XP, Mes, and Robinson a chance. Izturis could have gone in to play defense after someone hit for Cozart. But I guess Baker is saving those guys for the 10th.

  98. I do like Brantley. He just needs a play-by-play caddy to help him out a little bit.

  99. Game could still be in reach. Some damage control would have been great a few innings ago.

  100. BP!!

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