Over the years, I have had a hatred of many teams.  Growing up, the Atlanta Braves were always on tv and in my area you were primarily a Reds fan or a Braves fan.  So I naturally hated the Braves and their fans. Then in my teenage years and through the late 90s and early portion of the 2000s, that hatred transferred over to the Red Sox and Yankees, for obvious reasons. 

However, in recent years, I have focused my hatred onto one team and one team only… The St. Louis Cardinals.  Ever since the 2010 brawl, I have despised the Cardinals and everything about them.  I have co-workers who are Cardinals fans.  Friends who are Cardinals fans.  And family members who are fans.  I can not stand talking baseball with them.

So nothing will make me happier today and for the rest of this week than taking it to the Cards.  Discuss the game here and let’s hope for a Reds thumping.

380 Responses

  1. hoodlum

    I live in the deep south and truly despise the braves. I hate the cardinals pretty much as much – and truly won’t be happy with a Molina at-bat until he gets a fastball to the lower back. I also dislike the Cubs and their fans, but I also pity them so it is tempered a bit.

    let’s go redlegs.

    • TC

      @hoodlum: Lol. You guys crack me up. They used to be one of my favorite teams when they weren’t playing the Reds. The only thing the brawl did was change that. Still a good organization.

      Twice this year already, I’ve found myself tuning in to Root and pulling for the Pirates. I love the Reds, but I also love good baseball.

      • hoodlum

        @hoodlum: Lol. You guys crack me up. They used to be one of my favorite teams when they weren’t playing the Reds. The only thing the brawl did was change that. Still a good organization.Twice this year already, I’ve found myself tuning in to Root and pulling for the Pirates. I love the Reds, but I also love good baseball.

        LaRussa and Carpenter are notorious WLBs, and they apparently taught Molina all of their tricks.

  2. bohdi

    The cardinals and their fans are number one on my baseball list for obvious reasons. Number 2 following this past weekend are the nationals because I live in DC. Their bandwagon fanbase started to irk me last year but now it’s getting rediculous so they are officially up there with the cardinals.

  3. CI3J

    I don’t like the Cards, but that burning outright hatred has faded a bit now that LaRussa and Chris Carpenter are gone.

    Basically, of their remaining players, I dislike Molina more than any other player in baseball, possibly ever. (Although I really disliked Fernando Vina and Moises Alou not too long ago…)

    I never really liked Matt Holliday, just something about him…. And Wainwright.

    Everyone else, I’m indifferent to.

  4. Sultan of Swaff

    Throughout my life it’s been the Dodgers, the Giants, the Braves, the Cubs, and now the Cardinals. Equal opportunity I say. And yet with the Cardinals it’s a bit different because on a fundamental level there’s something about their clubhouse culture that’s really off-putting. Carpenter, TLR, Pujols, Molina, and now Matheny. I’ve seen cults with less blind devotion. At the same time, the Vatican would be hard pressed to match the level of sanctimony coming out of the mouths of these clowns.

  5. al

    Clearly the rivalry between the Reds and Cards has simmered down some now that LaRussa, Duncan, and Carpenter are gone. They were the winiest of the WLBs.

    That said, there does seem to be something about this organization and being a jerk. Not everyone on the club, obviously, it’s 25 guys.

    But can you remember any time that a Reds pitcher has made obscene gestures at another team? Especially to rub in a victory? Can you remember any time a Reds player has taken down another team’s player like this: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121016&content_id=39854216&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Mabye those are just isolated incidents, but when Brandon Phillips said something to the effect of “everyone is baseball knows these guys are the worst” (paraphrasing there), I believed him.

    • dc937

      @al: Man, I forgot about that Holliday slide. Definitely not a baseball play there.

      If I remember correctly into my childhood, I’ve rooted against the Cards dating back to the McGwire/Sosa home run chases of the late 90’s. My 10-year-old self really liked Sosa’s distinct “hop” out of the batters box after he crushed a HR. Also hate the Yankees, but the Reds don’t play them often enough for NYY to be a huge problem.

      Go Reds. Boo Cardinals. Let’s spoil their home opening day.

  6. Sergeant2

    The festivities going on at Busch Stadium pre-game is pretty impressive. Especially the tribute to Stan “The Man” Musial. Rest In Peace Stan “The Man” Musial. Can I get an Amen.

  7. hydeman

    Boy, gonna be tough to post and watch the game while twittering this season…..New girlfriend, So just gonna start her off with me just watching…I will be here with Redleg Nation in spirit most of the time!
    I don’t know when Reds fans will get with the program here. The more we hate big baby Molina the more he kills the REDS. He really feeds off that crap! Just start sending him lots and lots of love and enjoy the slump he goes into against the REDS!

    • Greg Dafler

      @hydeman: Just tell her that you’re texting your ex-girlfriend. Then, when she starts to get mad, say “nah, I’m just kidding. I’m chatting on a Reds blog.” She’ll be glad that it isn’t another girl, and you’ll be in the clear to keep posting here! 😀

      • hydeman

        @Greg Dafler:
        Gotcha Greg….I’m kind of liking this one and will soon be free to post/watch/follow during all games. I’m just gonna ease her into it. Slowly make her a fan…..LoL! Famous last words right?

  8. BearcatNation

    I don’t think anyone can deny the Cardinals have devoted fans, but as mentioned, the clubhouse culture is just wrong. They stroke their own egos, while thumbing their noses at everyone else as the ‘keepers’ of baseball unwritten rules (Carpenter).

    Then the hypocrites act like these things do not apply to them and flick off other fans, scream obcenties at opposing players, and get offended when someone yells in frustration after getting out even though they were just mad at themself.

    And their fans just eat it all up. Molina is tame compared to Carpenter in my opinion. That guy just asked to be slugged in the mouth. He is the straight disciple of TLR.

      • Greg Dafler

        @CP: He did!

        Arroyo chuckled at talk about his less-than-overpowering assortment.

        “I could care less what adjective you put next to my pitch selection,” said Arroyo, who had his first complete game of the season. “The name of the game is to put a zero on the board as many times as I can. I throw a lot of inside change-ups to righties. I throw a lot of curveballs and cutters. I’ve always thought of myself as a guy who had to beat people upstairs. This year I’m having a hard time getting it up there at 90 (mph).

        “For me to win, it’s going to have to be movement and by adding and subtracting on every single pitch.”

  9. WVRedlegs

    Back when the Reds were in the old NL West it was the Dodgers, Braves and Giants. Always made at least one trip to Cincinnati to see a Dodgers or Braves game. I hated those west coast trips back then. Only got a few innings in before it was bedtime. The morning newspaper never had the west coast scores in it and I had to wait for the afternoon newspaper before I knew if the Reds had won or lost the night before. My, have the times changed with the instant media.

  10. al

    the worst thing about jocketty to me is all of the ex-cardinals that he brings in.

    for example, i always hated jim edmonds when he was with the cards, then he gets brought in by jocketty and talks trash about the reds on his way out the door.

  11. WedgieSanders

    I’m just waiting for the first HBP… It may come from Latos.. I could see him trying to stir things up a little.

  12. CI3J

    How worried is anyone about Votto’s strikeouts?

    Anyone? Anyone?


    Carry on, then.

  13. jas_428

    Garcia moving the ball both ways…wow. Don’t know that Heisey can afford to watch first pitch fastball down the gut, since he can’t extend at bats yet. Votto didn’t look great either.

  14. Jason1972

    Votto looks unusually off but I am sure he will come around, he’s way too good.

  15. CI3J

    Cards get the leadoff man on.

    Ruh roh.

  16. Jason1972

    Cards put a massive hurting on Matt Cain yesterday, I hope they have a little bit of a hangover today.

  17. CI3J

    Latos is really laboring here…

    Hope he can get out of the inning before any serious damage is done.

  18. al

    Watching the Cards feed, they just mentioned that Latos has a 14 ERA at Busch Stadium.

    • CI3J


      If he always pitches like this, I can see why. He’s all over the place, and seems to have no idea where his pitches are going. I don’t think I’ve seen him hit any of his spots so far.

      Like I said, if he can just get out of this inning…

  19. Brian Van Hook

    wow, two down, one more MAT

  20. hydeman

    That was not a very good play by Hanni, He’s got to drop and block that!

  21. al

    Looking ugly so far. That was a huge K. If Latos can get out of this without any runs, hopefully he’ll be able to rebound.

  22. hermanbates

    No feel for any of his breaking pitches. No feel whatsoever.

  23. Mwv

    Well. There’s the first 2 runs Choo vs Stubbs cost us. I think his offense far outweighs it but still, just to point it out. Rough start for Latos.

  24. Bruuuuuce

    How did Choo play that ball? I have only Gamecast.

    • Brian Van Hook

      @Bruuuuuce: Not watching, but from radio call, hard smash to center, Choo going back on the ball to the track, had it hit off his glove twice before he dropped it. Called two-base error.

  25. hermanbates

    I mean…Heisey makes that catch. I understand not expecting Heisey to be in the starting lineup all season, and that Choo has to play CF when Ludwick’s back so keep him there to learn the position. But Heisey makes that catch regardless of all those other factors.

  26. RedLegHerrm

    I put those on Mat. A makeable play by Choo, but Latos needs to be able to put Yadi away after getting him down 0-2. Shaky inning overall.

  27. RisingRed

    The lead wont last past the second with Frazier due up.

  28. RedLegHerrm

    Garcia making us look dumb so far.

  29. Mwv

    Garcia is just killing us early on, wow.

  30. jas_428

    Reds knew the tradeoff. Almost unfair to get on Choo’s case. Still an overall plus for Reds. Dusty/Reds will never let Heisey/Bruce play CF when Choo is starting – it would be an admission of organization being wrong. They’re committed.

    • Mwv

      Not getting on his case, just saying that’s the first play this year where the difference between the two defensively was obvious.

  31. hermanbates

    If Latos can keep commanding that slide piece, he’ll be fine.

  32. Mwv

    Wow. That could have been really bad for us.

  33. Steve Mancuso

    Ten minutes of talk on the radio between Marty and John Fay about the tight spot the bullpen is in and not a single mention that maybe Chapman could have been held out for the three-run save yesterday so he could pitch against the Cardinals today.

    • Bill Lack

      Ten minutes of talk on the radio between Marty and John Fay about the tight spot the bullpen is in and not a single mention that maybe Chapman could have been held out for the three-run save yesterday so he could pitch against the Cardinals today.

      I was thinking the EXACT same thing….

  34. Sergeant2

    Are we going to have to cue the Benny Hill theme music when the ball is hit to the outfield to day. (insert smiley face) mine is nonfunctional.

    • Mwv

      That sun seems to be pretty bad out there.

  35. hermanbates

    Hmm…can’t throw a strike to Latos…drills the outside corner black on first pitch to Choo. What?

  36. Matt WI

    Before people get too crazy on Choo, please note he’s provided more offense in six games that Stubbs could contribute in a month. Stay patient, we’ll see how it looks in awhile.

  37. Hank Aarons Teammate

    I’m sure glad to see that Mesoraco is on the bench again.

  38. Matt WI

    Heisey with a leg double to start the fourth! Let’s get some runs.

  39. hermanbates

    I don’t feel like I see Heisey hit a lot of balls to that gap…pretty awesome to see.

  40. Sergeant2

    Good hustle by Heisey, now that’s what I’m talking about.

  41. CI3J

    Reds got something cooking here.

    Nice hustle by Heisey!

  42. Mwv

    Looked almost like a bad slide by Heisey there, went into the catcher instead of the base.

  43. Matt WI

    Brantley sticking it Molina… “when you’re labeled the best catcher in baseball, that’s a ball you have to keep in front of you”

  44. CI3J


    I understand trying to take out the catcher….

    But don’t you have to at least PRETEND you’re trying to touch the plate too?

  45. MrSaturdayNite

    Mr. Heisey: If you’re going to try to take out their catcher, who shall remain nameless, that’s fine. But you’ve gotta get your spikes up or try to run him over.

  46. Matt WI

    Well…. at least it wasn’t a failed BP bunt attempt that got Heisey thrown out at the plate!

  47. Abel

    I’m so sick of Brantley. I have no idea what’s going on sometimes. I get that there was a wild pitch. Was it ball four? Did heisey advance? Stop describing where the wild pitch went and get the important information across.

    • Matt WI

      @Abel: Amen, amen. Amen, amen. He just really shouldn’t be asked to do play by play.

  48. Mwv

    There we go, BRUUUUUCE! Solid knock to right.

  49. Matt WI

    Bruce. RBI. Love it. Note that one Marty. Runner in scoring position and everything.

  50. MrSaturdayNite

    Time for Super Todd to be super here.

  51. CI3J

    Time for SuperTodd to go SuperDeep!

    (That sounds like a line from a porn movie…)

  52. RedLegHerrm

    Most of the lineup looks like they’ve never seen Garcia pitch before.

  53. Matt WI

    Man. Garcia throwing a bunch of change-ups today. Sit on that.

  54. CI3J

    Well, so much for that.

    Still, 1 run. I’ll take it.

  55. Sergeant2

    The Reds scored a run, we’ll take it. Now I would like to see the Cards get a little less wood on the ball.

    • Bill Lack

      The Reds scored a run, we’ll take it. Now I would like to see the Cards get a little less wood on the ball.

      Should have been two…except for that unexplainable slide by Heisey.

      • CI3J

        @Bill Lack:

        I think Heisey was trying to slide between Molina’s legs to re-enact that infamous scene from “Problem Child”.

        Unfortunately, Heisey realized too late he forgot to bring his bat.

  56. CI3J

    Latos is throwing his breaking ball with about as much accuracy as I throw darts at the bar at 2 A.M.

  57. Matt WI

    Yadi just kills this team. Kills them. It’s to the point they should pitch around him.

    • Mwv

      It was Latos getting up in the zone and allowing the double that caused the real trouble though, Molina actually just went down and got a good pitch.

    • Bruuuuuce

      Yadi just kills this team. Kills them. It’s to the point they should pitch around him.

      I thought the same thing, but then I checked with baseball reference, and his numbers are actually worse against the Reds than against the other Central opponents, sans MIL. He destroys the Pirates (.875 OPS)

      • Matt WI

        @Bruuuuuce: What about “post-brawl” numbers? It seems like since then, when you really want him to suck, he’s been good.

  58. hoodlum

    why don’t we hit molina, please?

    • Mwv

      I really don’t want to see Votto get thrown at.

      • CI3J


        If the Cards want to play beanball, remember one thing:

        The Reds have Chapman.

      • Mwv

        Yeah but I wouldn’t want that for a few reasons. Mostly because by then warnings will have long since been given out and suspensions are no fun but also I don’t want to encourage the thought in Chapman that it’s okay to aim at hitters he doesn’t like. That fastball of his is a weapon.

        That and losing a game to Molina doesn’t bother me as much as the prospect of a week or more without Votto.

  59. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Peter Kozma is hitting .308. I have to believe that over a full season, which seems to be the Cards’ plan, he’s going to hit like he did in the minors. Which is not at all. His career AVG in the minors is .236. It’s just like the Cards that he comes in and hits .300 for a while.

  60. Mwv

    BP!!!! You know the crowd is loving that.

  61. Hank Aarons Teammate

    At some point we are going to have to admit that Joey Votto isn’t the same guy. I’m not quite at that point, but I’m about 5 games (like the past 7) away. He’s striking out way too much for Joey Votto, and he’s hitting the ball with basically zero authority. I wouldn’t be worried except that it looks just like the post-injury Joey Votto from last year.

    • Mwv

      Don’t agree with this one. He crushed that triple to the wall with some serious authority. His eye for the ball right now is not up to his usual standard but to me that doesn’t have anything to do with the injury.

      • Hank Aarons Teammate

        @CI3J: Absolutely. If Votto hadn’t had his knee injury last year, I’d worry exactly not at all. But…he did have the injury, and it affected him greatly, and I was also concerned about his comments in ST about the knee.

  62. LWBlogger

    Things I do like about the Cards:

    1 – For the most part, their fans are a good bunch.
    2 – Their ballpark is lovely.
    3 – Most of their talent has come from their minor-league system.
    4 – They hate the Cubs more than the Reds do.

  63. LWBlogger

    Way to go BP! He likes to hit the lefties!

  64. Sergeant2

    Way to go BP!!! Home Run. Its now 3-2 Cards top 6th. I’m glad Marty & Cowboy stopped yukking it up long enough to notice.

  65. JEFFMO

    Reds striking out too much, making Garcia look like Koufax or something. Bad plate discipline. By the way, on a relevant subject, just checked on the Indians game and Stubbs just struck out looking.

    • LWBlogger

      @JEFFMO: Seems like the first week of the season has seen a record number of Ks and HRs

  66. CI3J

    Is it just me, or does Jay Bruce seem to be running harder/faster this year? I’ve noticed it in other games too.

    • Mwv

      Yep, I noticed the same thing. I hope he keeps it up.

  67. hermanbates

    I’m not worried about Votto. His power is fine, he’s slid multiple times, and he still works counts well. He may be feeling more pressure now than he ever has, and that may have an effect on him, but I don’t see any reason to worry. He’s Joseph Daniel Votto, stud Canadian.

    • Sergeant2

      @hermanbates: Joseph Daniel Votto. I didn’t know that was his full name. Nice little tidbit of info.

  68. LWBlogger

    Todd Frazier grounded out 6-4? What? I don’t understand… I mean, he’s TODD FRAZIER!

  69. Farney

    Do they really ONLY have 4 hits against Latos? I feel like they’ve been slapping him around today

    • Matt WI

      Oh no. Ok… now feel free to unload on Choo.

  70. Bruuuuuce

    Choo is going to treat Latos to a nice steak dinner after this one.

  71. hermanbates

    Reds should be winning…I think. Ugh, I am annoyed.

  72. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Well he does have a heck of an arm.

  73. Sergeant2

    Its tempting to go into panic mode about center field, I mean you don’t want your weakest fielder playing center. For now I’m going to chalk it up as growing pains.And painful it is.

  74. RedLegHerrm

    Gonna need some production from the bottom of the order.

  75. Steve Mancuso

    The Choo drops were not the kind of weakness I was expecting. I’ve been worried that Choo’s lack of speed would make it harder for him to cover ground. But in both cases today, he was in position to make the catch. In the first example, speed might have helped him get under the ball sooner, but he had it right in his glove both times.

  76. hoodlum

    pretty sure that we’d be winning if we would have hit Molina in every at bat. just sayin.

  77. CI3J

    Cozart is completely lost at the plate.

    Thankfully, he’s not in the 2 hole.

  78. RC

    It’s just a bad day… It’s just a bad day… It’s just a bad day…

  79. RedLegHerrm

    Aside from Cozart’s big game against the Nats, 7-8 spots in the lineup have been a black hole thus far.

  80. Mwv

    I will say that I’m a little confused why they keep pitching to Molina. At some point you just have to tip your cap to the guy and pitch around him when runners are on like that.

    • al

      @Mwv: hitting into 2 errors is hardly a huge offenseive day.

  81. Matt WI

    We’re just a swat by Robinson away here gang. Or maybe Choo, atoning. Good things are possible.

  82. Steve Mancuso

    Cozart is batting .111 – and I was going to look up his OBP, but it’s simple because he hasn’t walked once yet this year. That’s a huge issue in his production. He had a terrible walk-rate last year and he’s not looking any better this year. I loved his two home runs, but that’s about all he’s contributed.

  83. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    If Choo can hit one out, all will be forgiven.

  84. Abel

    Maybe something’s wrong with Choo’s glove? I mean it’s tempting to moan and complain about how Dusty should have him in LF (he should) but those balls would have bounced off of his glove just as easily in LF as they did in center. Getting there wasn’t the problem. I’m going to chalk this up to a one game freak thing unless it becomes a further trend.

  85. Sergeant2

    Time for Heasey to take one out.

  86. Matt WI

    Joey… how about a base knock here and we’ve got a new game.

    • Mwv

      I would not mind seeing Bruce up with some men on. As much as people lamented that situation a few days ago he’s been putting some good swings together lately.

  87. Sergeant2

    Even the Cards announcers said Shoo could have scored.

  88. Steve Mancuso

    Nice job by Heisey. Brandon Phillips was signaling for Speier to send Choo home. The TV broadcast didn’t give a good view of that. With two outs (and Votto not being JoeMVP yet) you’d have to think you should send him if it’s even close. Holliday not known for his arm.

    • hoodlum

      Why are we trying to give them a win?

      all objective evidence says yes.

  89. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    This team is tougher than nails.

  90. hermanbates

    COME ON. Trade him. He’ll never be the same.

  91. Mwv

    Really seems like he’s not seeing the ball well yet this year.

  92. CI3J

    If I were Votto in that situation, up 3-0, I would have sat back and dared that Choate guy to throw 3 strikes in a row. If he could, tip your cap to him, but he seemed like he was a bit wild.

    Oh well.

  93. Sergeant2

    Its bad enough when players mess up and give up runs, but when your 3rd base coach does it, it really p.o.’s me off.

  94. LVW

    Cards announcers said Choo would have scored.

  95. al

    haven’t seen the reds try to give away a game this hard in a long time.

  96. Bruuuuuce

    It would be really nice to have Chapman available today. Just sayin’

  97. RedLegHerrm

    So Choo’s essentially cost the Reds 4 runs in a 4-3 game? Yikes.

  98. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Choo had no problem with catching that ball.

  99. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Well, they could still win this game. Somehow…

  100. hermanbates

    Man…if BP could’ve gotten up with bases juiced. He murders the Cards. Oh well. Votto is definitely feeling the pressure.

  101. RedTitan19

    Joey and Choo should flip-flop in the order right now. Man he is hard to watch. Simon looked good.

  102. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    I think it is safe to say Choo is over his brief fielding slump.

  103. RedTitan19

    For everyone complaining about Choo’s defense, yeah Stubbs would have had those balls but he wouldn’t have been responsible for nearly as much offense. I still think the scale tips a little more to Choo’s offense vs Stubbs Ks

  104. hermanbates

    BPs bat looked CRAZY slow on those first two swings.

  105. Sergeant2

    47,345 on hand for today’s titanic struggle, 47,345.

  106. MentalGuy

    Joey Votto has fewer strikeouts through 7 games this year than he did in 2012 or 2010.

  107. Hank Aarons Teammate

    What “pressure” is Votto feeling? Maybe he’s not healthy.

    He has been the best hitter in the game the last few years. Why all of a sudden is it “pressure”? It’s either a slump or an injury. Hopefully the former.

  108. hermanbates

    They hit super Todd. LET IT BE WAR

  109. brandon11

    I wouldn’t have given votto a take sign but you have to trust Votto in that he is only going to swing at a 3-0 pitch he can hammer. Votto is a great player, but just as we praise when deserved, that was either a very bad play or very bad execution on his part. I’m listening on radio so I couldn’t see if the pitch was right in the wheelhouse or not. If he isn’t quite himself, he should be a leader enough to give himself the take sign.

  110. hermanbates

    Battle, battle, battle. Don’t swing at a dud now.

  111. Mwv

    If he can throw some high heat he’s got this K.

  112. Mwv

    X-Man!!!!! That is what happens when you dare to hit Todd. Reds are out for blood now.

  113. Matt WI

    YES!!!! New game! Dusty gets a tip of the cap there. You know, as long as Izturis doesn’t bobble the game winner later. Way to go XP!

  114. Abel

    what’s XP’s batting average going back to when they brought him up last year? If it’s not around .400 it sure seems like it. He’s been rock solid.

  115. Matt WI

    You do not want to face Hanigan in a situation like this 🙂 Go get a hit.

  116. Sergeant2

    Yea baby basehit tied up. Plus the 3rd base coach waved the runner home this time.

  117. Mwv

    That one hit Molina hard.. right into the side of his head. I can’t believe he’s not hurt, that screams concussion.

  118. PhoenixPhil

    (troll)Bring in Hoover for the loss?(/troll)

  119. tgarretson82

    It said that XP is an injury replacement for Cozart?? Not watching the game, following Gamecast.

  120. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Great AB by Paul, and a bad AB by Hanigan. At least Mesoraco is safely on the bench daily.

    Good call by Baker to pinch hit there.

  121. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    These Reds are pretty good.

  122. brandon11

    I agree with whoever said Choo is still upgrade over Stubbs with his offense. I actually think that’s not even a debate. He will either get it together on defense or they will swap him with Bruce or something. His defense may bite once or twice a week but his offensive upgrade over Stubbs will bite more often than that.

  123. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Top of the order next inning. That ought to do it. Just hold them right here. I love the 2013 Reds!

  124. Hank Aarons Teammate

    On the other hand, I’ve never liked the incompetent hitting SS having to pinch hit just because you pinch hit for the SS. Should have gotten the lead there.

  125. Mwv

    Wishing more and more that Chapman was available today.

  126. RedLegHerrm

    What is going on with Ryan Hanigan? Isn’t he suppose to be a contact guy?

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @RedLegHerrm: To be fair, Rosenthal throws gas. But he made two straight mistakes, both of which Hanigan should have been able to at least hit somewhere.

    • eastcoast redsfan

      @RedLegHerrm: I think Hanigan is just tired. He went from playing every other day (remember Dusty even had Meso catch Arroyo to have catchers alternate) to playing all the time – including extra innings.

  127. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Injury replacement? I figured Cozart just wasn’t hitting and that’s the AB of the game. Is Cozart hurt?

  128. tgarretson82

    Nevermind. Read that wrong. It said injury delay. Then pinch hitter for Cozart. Didnt know Molina was being a whiny Cardinal.

    • Mwv

      Nothing whiny about that.. he took a 98 mph deflected fastball right back behind his ear, it was a nasty shot.

    • RedForever

      Nevermind.Read that wrong.It said injury delay.Then pinch hitter for Cozart.Didnt know Molina was being a whiny Cardinal.

      Molina has hit in the side of the head by a foul ball. i don’t like the guy either but he actually got hit pretty hard.

  129. Farney

    wow. what an AB by XP!!

    We’ve got tons left on base today– time to get that guy in from third! Lets go, Sudden Sam!

  130. Mwv

    I hear that Phillips guy is an okay second baseman.

  131. Hank Aarons Teammate

    That bad AB by Hanigan might not just cost a win, it might cost extra innings. Last thing this team needs.

    Of course, if Choo could catch…

  132. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Sammy is slinging it today.

  133. Farney

    Choo is going to come mashing. He’s got some redemption to take care of.

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @Farney: Redemption for Choo is in being a patient hitter.

    • hoodlum

      Choo is going to come mashing. He’s got some redemption to take care of.

      never got one to drive, or he might have. either way, nice to see him on 1st.

  134. hermanbates

    Billy Hamilton had another hit in the first inning in Columbus for the Bats. Then stole his 4th base of the season.

  135. Steve Mancuso

    I hate bunting here. But I REALLY hate bunting on the first pitch off a guy who just threw four straight balls to the leadoff hitter.

  136. hermanbates

    Meh. Votto get’s to see a pitch now. So that’s nice.

  137. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Time for some Votto-heroics

  138. hoodlum

    uh – Thom – nobody complains when we don’t bunt.

  139. Abel

    Jeez. Don’t swing at anything this guy’s throwing.

  140. hermanbates

    BP. Don’t swing. Get hit. Because EVERY pitch except the one Heisey popped out would’ve been a HBP for a righty.

  141. Hank Aarons Teammate

    That’s why you DO NOT BUNT in front of Joey Votto. He is going to walk either way…

  142. Mwv

    BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a Cards killer for sure. That’ll teach ’em to hit Todd.

  143. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    As Marty might say, “This team is just flat good”.

  144. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Oh my god. They scored without a successful sac bunt.

  145. RedLegHerrm

    An insurance run here would be huge.

  146. Hank Aarons Teammate

    This is a huge AB for Frazier. Let this game be put out of reach.

  147. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Chicken. Pitch to him, you coward.

  148. Mwv

    If that had hit Todd I’m fairly sure he would have started turning green and the broadcast would have gone off the air.

  149. Hank Aarons Teammate

    That was simply a great AB.

  150. George Culver

    BP brings out the chirping crickets in St. Louis with the leather last inning and the stick this inning. A beautiful noise.

  151. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Cards are absolutely discombobulated.

  152. Brian Van Hook

    suh-WEET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  153. CI3J

    Cards fans are starting to go home.

    And we’re still here.


  154. Hank Aarons Teammate

    You know, that was a great stop by Kozma. How did that not get through?

  155. Love4Reds

    Not sure why they didn’t put Meso in for Hanigan here…

  156. CI3J

    Not that I’m complaining, but….

    Why did they leave Boggs in after the meltdown? Guess they figure no sense in burning through another pitcher?

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @CI3J: I’m guessing it’s because the Scrabble guy pitched a bit recently…but he’s coming in anyways, I think.

  157. hermanbates

    Hoover…is warming up. Awesome. Let the kid pitch. MELTDOWN CONTINUE

  158. Steve Mancuso

    Marty says the St. Louis fans “are leaving Busch Stadium like rats off a sinking ship.” Guess those really knowledgeable fans know what’s up.

  159. Hank Aarons Teammate

    OK, I’m enjoying this. I admit it.

  160. hoodlum

    FYI – i am enjoying this half inning.

  161. eastcoast redsfan

    Looks like it will be Hoover – Id give him a short leash – dont let the tying run come to the plate with him pitching.

  162. Farney

    still only one out. And good for hanni– he’s got to start somewhere.

  163. CI3J

    Funny how a half inning can make us all forget about Choo, isn’t it?

    But don’t worry, we’ll be reminded in the Titantic Struggle Recap.

  164. CI3J

    I love the smell of roasting cardinals in the evening.

  165. hermanbates

    And the beat goes on. This. Is. Awesome.

  166. Mwv

    Todd scores. This is what you get for hitting him.

  167. CI3J


    I haven’t seen a meltdown like this since Danny Graves pitched for the Reds.

  168. hermanbates


  169. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Choo gets those runs back!

  170. Brian Van Hook

    I’m guessing Choo feels a little better right about now

  171. eastcoast redsfan

    Wow! That kinda makes up for the dropped balls.

  172. al

    choo just got those 3 runs back that he left in the outfield.

  173. George Culver

    Is there a white flag out yet? Molina looks really embarrassed. And I am thrilled. Heisey makes 2 outs in the same inning. funny.

    • Hank Aarons Teammate

      @George Culver: Molina probably isn’t sure what day it is. I kinda thought Hanigan’s foul off his head gave him a concussion. Really.

  174. zblakey

    Late to the party but still enjoying it. Maybe Joey is saving his hits until they are needed. We all know he is going to hit .330 +/- a few points here and there. GO REDS

  175. Sergeant2

    Pardon me boys, is that the Cincinnati Soo Choo. Bases clearing double. Go baby go.

  176. Hank Aarons Teammate

    Umm, let’s rest Hoover. I’m available for the 9th.

  177. hoodlum

    FYI – for those scoring at home, I am still enjoying this half inning. A LOT.

  178. CI3J

    If a bunch of Cardinals whine in an empty stadium…..

    Does anyone care?

    • pinson343

      @CI3J: Unlike the philosophical question that you indirectly refer to, there is a certain answer to this one: No.

  179. Farney

    Remember when we were just hoping to scratch out a run or two? This is quite nice…

  180. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Everyday is like Christmas with this bunch.

  181. pinson343

    I guess we won’t be arguing about who pitches the 9th at this point. Yesterday I wasn’t so comfortable in the 9th, with a 3 run lead. Even I am comfortable with a 9 run lead.

  182. George Culver

    Score 9 in the ninth. Poetic.

  183. NastyBoys3

    That, my friends, is how you pick your teammate up after some rough defense. And that, kids, is how you keep your head up when things go wrong. Choo after the 7th inning…Single, Walk, Double, 2R, 3RBI

  184. Farney

    Put in valdez for the 9th– save your bullpen for tomorrow!

  185. EdEddandEdWerder

    Reds have scored more runs in this inning than the Pirates have all season.

    Chris Heisey has two outs in this inning.

  186. Mwv

    BRUUUUUCE! I hope this half inning lasts another 15 minutes or so.

  187. al

    do you guys realize that it’s possible that heisey might make all three outs this inning? that would make my season.

  188. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Come on Todd hit a Granny and that will finish it for good.

  189. George Culver

    I’m surprised that the 2nd baseman didn’t throw the ball away as well.

  190. CI3J

    Even Bruce was laughing about that.

    That was just fun to watch.

  191. Brian Van Hook

    I wonder how Carpenter is explaining this to his kid?

  192. George Culver

    Todd Frazier with a mercy look at a called third strike. Guess he got bored.

  193. eastcoast redsfan

    Todd the Merciful … I like that.

  194. George Culver

    If I were the Cards hitters I would just stand there and take 3 straight strikes and save my energy for tomorrow.

    • CI3J

      If I were the Cards hitters I would just stand there and take 3 straight strikes and save my energy for tomorrow.

      If I were the Cards hitters, I’d be embarrassed to come out of the dugout.

  195. earl

    “That, my friends, is how you pick your teammate up after some rough defense. And that, kids, is how you keep your head up when things go wrong.”

    We give Dusty Baker a whole lot of crap deseverably so for some of his moves, but you got to say over the past few years the Reds have been a club that doesn’t really give up on games.

    • pinson343

      @earl: Giants fans I know – who don’t like Dusty – give him credit for that much. That is, the Giants were the same way with him. (Not that they’ve stopped.)

      The way one of them put it: Dusty loses about 5 games in a season with in-game strategy, the players never quitting under him wins about 5 a season, so it’s a wash.

  196. pinson343

    Could this mark the end of the Busch Stadium jinx for the Reds ? They’ve had a terrible record at Busch over the last 10 years.

  197. pinson343

    Help, I’m awaiting moderation.

  198. hermanbates

    Billy Hamilton with another single and another stolen base.

  199. Brian Van Hook

    So how will ESPN spin this in the Cardinals’ favor ??

  200. George Culver

    That stadium is resembling a Marlin’s crowd.

  201. LWBlogger

    We’re having fun now! Tough day for Cards’ fans… This Reds team can score some runs.

  202. Mwv

    Holy cow, that was a serious bit of glovery there.

  203. CharlotteNCRedsFan

    Wow, what a play. What a game. Good times, guys!

  204. BearcatNation

    The only Cards fans still in the ballpark are the drunk ones that can’t see the 1 in front of 3 in the Reds scoreline.

  205. LWBlogger

    I’m kinds waiting for someone else to get drilled. The Cards are kinds old school like that. “Those Reds are getting a little comfy in there!” I hope Matheny and company don’t play it that way anymore. TLR and Duncan sure did though.

  206. Sergeant2

    Great play by Votto to get the out and end the game. Great tough as nails comeback win for the Reds. Lets make it two in row with a win tomorrow night. Go Reds! Adios Amigos.

  207. renbutler

    Take THAT, “best fans in baseball.”

  208. Mwv

    Looking back at the box score now.. Bruce went 4 for 5 and had a walk. That is huge.

  209. jas_428

    Just reviewing game. Could be coincidence but Choo seemed to lose focus on both fly balls when his first step hit the warning track. If anyone else would have butchered those two flies, there would be many comments about him not being a CFer. As for me, I’m still fine with the experiment even if Reds had lost the game. The question down the road might be how can we sign Choo or is it conceivable the Reds might deal Bruce?

    • ToddAlmighty

      @jas_428: No way the Reds trade Bruce.

      On the Choo note though, I really think it’s a bit ridiculous that they refuse to consider the idea of playing him in LF, and putting Heisey in CF. At least the 3 unearned runs Choo caused were all negated by his 3 RBI bases clearing double. Plus the guy’s getting on base like crazy.

      • pinson343

        @ToddAlmighty: If a change is going to be made with Choo, and I don’t think it should be yet, I would prefer moving him to RF, where he is a proven commodity with a strong arm, and move Bruce to CF.

        A problem with moving Heisey to CF is that Paul and Ludwick (when he returns) can’t play CF. Better to just leave LF to that group.

        On a related topic, it would make sense, in a late defensive replacement situation, to take out Choo, put Heisey in CF, and Paul in LF.

  210. pinson343

    Chris, I just read your opening statement now. I can relate. My father is a diehard Cardinals fan and I used to love talking baseball with him but now I try to stick to just talking 20th century baseball.

    As for hated teams, we have, not surprisingly, the same history. The Braves as “America’s Team”. Ugh.

    In the 60’s and 70’s I (and I think most Reds fans) hated the Dodgers.

  211. Eric the Red

    Votto saved poor Hoover’s arm. If Descalso reaches then Hoover–already over 20 pitches–would have had to keep going. But at least we would have saved Manny Parra’s arm. Great win, but bringing in Hoover in that inning is managerial malpractice. He clearly hasn’t recovered from 47 pitches on opening day. Rest was more important than getting back on the horse to build his confidence.

  212. rfay00

    I can’t wait for the recap of this one!!!

  213. Hank Aarons Teammate

    I agree with my friend Eric The Red. I don’t understand why Hoover was brought in there. That’s a situation in which you’re going to want one pitcher to finish it off no matter how long it goes. Parra was the logical choice, to me.

  214. Eric the Red

    The AP recap of the game calls the Cardinals the defending NL Central champs. Sigh.