One thing has been on everyone’s mind:

Will Joey Votto be in the lineup tonight?

Well, the answer is no. He’s probably going to start tomorrow. We’ll see, but I’m giddy with excitement. How good can this team be with the best hitter in baseball inserted into the lineup? That’s something I like to think about.

Discuss the game here. Go Redlegs.

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  1. BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE! About time!

  2. J-EHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  3. Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

  4. BRUUUUUUUUUUUUCE!

  5. I notice that we’ve got Gregorius on the bench, and it can’t really get any worse at shortstop right now…why not give the kid a try? And let’s get some Savior Paul in here, that kid has been coming through in the weirdest, best times!

  6. @hoodlum: even so…best Reds team in 20 years.

  7. Too bad Jay Bruce isn’t good in the clutch. 😆

  8. And with two outs. Suh-WEET

  9. Ludwick wasn’t in scoring position so that doesn’t count as clutch.

  10. @CP: Still didn’t get a hit with risp!

  11. Boy, is it a tough crowd, or what? Even after the home run they were booing Jay!

    • Boy, is it a tough crowd, or what? Even after the home run they were booing Jay!

      As Todd would say, if you have to use both hands then don’t bother.

    • @seat101:

      Boy, is it a tough crowd, or what? Even after the home run they were booing Jay!

      Thought they were saying “Moooooooooose.”

  12. I think its safe to say Bruce is getting locked in to one of his patented hot streaks. 2-1 Reds top 7th. Just what the Doctor ordered. Lets get a few more. Go Reds !!!

  13. I haven’t seen much of the Bruce haters as of late. Wonder why…

    • I haven’t seen much of the Bruce haters as of late. Wonder why…

      Because he’s carrying the team?

    • I haven’t seen much of the Bruce haters as of late. Wonder why…

      If your saying that all the Bruce “Haters” as you call them have been proven wrong, I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case. Everybody loves Jay when he get in one of his hot streaks.

  14. Do they hit for Latos or let him go out for the 8th?

  15. I have a hunch we will be seeing Mat L-ace-tos all month long.

  16. I would love to see Gregorious as defensive replacement

  17. I like where that second ball to Rolen showed up on pitch trax. Somehow it still had a nasty factor of 21. I guess it would have been difficult to hit.

  18. Another solid outing by Latos. What happened against the WLB just makes no sense. He is shaping up to be a true dominant #1, not saying Cueto has been doing bad but Latos has been that good.

  19. It looks like Rolen’s post-ASB hot streak has come to a screeching halt the last few weeks. Tomorrow’s a day game so you figure it will be Joey and Frazier, but Frazier really should be the every day 3B from here on out. Rolen plays on the days Votto rests and Frazier switches on those starts.

  20. @eric nyc: Valdez and Cairo should not play another inning the rest of the yr, when JV comes back.

  21. XP has been such a great signing for us. He’s going to be big in the post season.

  22. @vicferrari: If he had hustled to 1st base in the top of the 6th that inning probably does not happen.

  23. if Stubbs gats on and Valdez makes the final out of therinning the double switch would be in order. But…we’re talkin about Stubbs who barely hits above his weight.

  24. You all know how I like Rolen’s skills. He needs rest. That strikeout was on a hope and a guess that the ball was gonna be ‘right down Broadway’ and belt high. He was only half right.

  25. You have to bat for Valdez here if Stubbs walks, right?

  26. @Sergeant2:
    I can’t remember the first.

  27. Drew Stubbs needs to go.

  28. Sheesh…

  29. Good to know we’ve got outfielders like Paul on the bench, even if we start the *ahem* faster one that can’t hit. I wonder, if Paul switched to center…

  30. Drew Stubbs struck out? That’s inconceivable!

  31. And once again Stubbs proves that whoever makes out the line up has questionable baseball sense. How long can this go on? Dusty wonders why he is so criticized?

  32. Chris Welsh: “You can tell by the way Stubbs is swinging at that outside ball that his heart’s just not in it.”

    What does that even MEAN? This is a first place team in September with legitimate WS aspirations. If his heart isn’t in it then freaking cut him.

    • Chris Welsh: “You can tell by the way Stubbs is swinging at that outside ball that his heart’s just not in it.”

      What does that even MEAN? This is a first place team in September with legitimate WS aspirations. If his heart isn’t in it then freaking cut him.

      Exactly, we’re not the only ones who see it but insiders are forbidden to speak?

    • Chris Welsh: “You can tell by the way Stubbs is swinging at that outside ball that his heart’s just not in it.”

      What does that even MEAN? This is a first place team in September with legitimate WS aspirations. If his heart isn’t in it then freaking cut him.

      I like Welch but that comment is just stupid on his part.

  33. @George Culver: Dusty thinks he gets a normal amount of criticism and that it’s unavoidable.

  34. On the pitching front- Love the idea of Cueto & Latos for the next three years at least!!!!!!!!. I live in the bay area & a great friend of mine stated that MLB has a major issue with Dusty and will not recognize any of the players on his teams. Cueto, Frazier JVP should be getting some national love and they are certainly getting ignored. I”m not saying anything other than Dusty can be contentious and I truly like him to be our manager- line-ups aside of course!!! Growing up in Ohio, I met a number of incredibly intelligent men who never went to school but had the mind to learn life. That to me is Dusty, life smart- his job is to get the most out of his players and he has done it. 8.5 games up, best in the majors- who da thunk? Go Reds!!!!!!

    • I”m not saying anything other than Dusty can be contentious and I truly like him to be our manager- line-ups aside of course!!!

      @SFredsfan: Give us Bochy and we will even throw Stubbs in with Baker.

  35. Why is Ondrusek getting up? Shouldn’t CHapman be starting to walk around?

  36. 17,806 showed up for tonight’s titanic struggle, 17,806.

  37. @dn4192: Howso?

  38. Chapman vs. Howard to open the top of the 9th. Epic

  39. I just saw Bruce’s catch in the second. W O W! No pariesphobia there.

  40. It doesn’t matter which bat Valdez uses tonight now does it?

    • It doesn’t matter which bat Valdez uses tonight now does it?

      it doesn’t matter IF Valdez uses a bat …

  41. Absolutely absurd to bat Valdez in 8th. Why expand the roster? What is Dusty trying to prove?

    • Absolutely absurd to bat Valdez in 8th.Why expand the roster?What is Dusty trying to prove?

      What makes you think he is trying to prove anything…his team is in first place he has proved he knows what he is doing

  42. No one can tell me Wilson Valdez offers you anything as a spot starter that Gregorious doesn’t. Even if Gregorious comes in and batts sub-.200 and bobbles a ball or two, at least he’s getting experience on the upswing of his career instead of just decaying under the lights for everyone to moan at like Valdez.

  43. Joey Votto

    To Veto Joy

  44. @dn4192: Are you saying Welsh wouldn’t know it if Yadier Molina was angry?

    • @dn4192: Are you saying Welsh wouldn’t know it if Yadier Molina was angry?

      Anger and lack of heart ate hugely different…

  45. @eric nyc: He’s a vet.@dn4192:

    Stubbs looks gormless to me, but it could be his heart rather than his head.

  46. @Jared: Yadier iwas born irate. He should have been an ump!

  47. @dn4192: Dusty has not done a thing yet, but does deserve some credit. But, the Valdez thing is stupid.

  48. @seat101: Are you just saying what Dusty would tell me or is that actually an argument? Because that’s exactly my point – the whole idea of “veteraniness” is presumably that they can handle it when things go badly and turn it around quickly. But if you’re just not a good player anymore and you’re falling apart on the field with no hope of turning it around no matter how much experience you have, why not give the innings to a young guy to get him that valuable experience sooner?

  49. How can benching Frazier and killing his ROY chances possibly be good for team chemistry? Dusty is an idiot.admit it.

    • How can benching Frazier and killing his ROY chances possibly be good for team chemistry?

      Dusty is an idiot.admit it.

      Okay bench Votto, he’s not ready to play.

  50. If Scott Rolen has one breath left, I hope he will use it right here.

  51. @dn4192: so you can tell what Molina is feeling but Welsch can’t tell what whoever we were talking about is feeling?

    • @dn4192: so you can tell what Molina is feeling but Welsch can’t tell what whoever we were talking about is feeling?

      No you can tell when someone is angry….please tell me how you tell a hitter has no heart?

  52. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: if Rolen dies I’m blaming you

  53. An extra run would have been huge there. Sweat it out from here.

  54. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Clueless, but it sounds funnier.

  55. @eric nyc: Well, Dusty says he’s a vet.

  56. Could Baltimore actually win the AL EAST?

  57. Through the backstop. Yes. The new wildthing 😆

  58. Has Howard swung yet?

  59. @dn4192: you can tell a person has no heart when they decide its ok to sit on the bench while Valdez plays

  60. Almost kneecapped Mayberry.

  61. Its up the “Terminator” now. Hasta la vista baby.

  62. @CharlotteNCRedsFan:

    I think JV wil. Stubbs bats 7

  63. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Ughhhh….Bochy is very Dusty-like.

    Go young.

  64. Wiggington looks like someone you’d want on your softball team.

  65. Bochy would have us at 100 wins already. I’ve watched him closely and he is the manager!!!!! People skills plus game situations are all great. No way he comes to Cincy unless SFG unloads him unilickly.

  66. Reds win.

    Nice job for Latos, Brox & The Missile.

  67. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Well I guess I’m bad at guessing ages but someone like Joe Maddon (58) or Manny Acta (43) would be nice. Someone that is progressive and not afraid to make tough decisions while leveraging sabermetrics.

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Well I guess I’m bad at guessing ages but someone like Joe Maddon (58) or Manny Acta (43) would be nice.Someone that is progressive and not afraid to make tough decisions while leveraging sabermetrics.

      Joe Maddon is my pick. Acta? I don’t know, give me Bochy. Bobby Valentine might be available in 2013.

  68. @seat101: I’m guessing Dusty moves him down, Drew gets hot and Dusty moves him to the lead-off spot for the rest of his tenure as Reds’ manager.

  69. Its an absolute thrill to watch Chapman pitch, worth the price of admission. This team hangs tough just about single game. Go Reds !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Adios Amigos.

  70. Latos deserved that win and the big break from the umps. But. how bad the offense lately? Bruce has driven in 7 of ther last 9 runs scored. Ouch 😯

  71. Dusty will be back, not sure why anyone would think he won’t?

    • Dusty will be back, not sure why anyone would think he won’t?

      @dn4192: You’re right. Just fantasizing.

  72. Who needs an offense when you’ve got Jay Bruce? Nice night for the pitching staff, Latos hung tough and didn’t crumble when he so easily could have.

  73. I know it’s the unpopular vote, but I like Dusty. He might have some of the worst lineups in baseball, but he’s also got the team with the best record for half the salary that a Bobby Valentine has. Very pleased with his job this year, hope he gets an extension.

  74. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Bobby V woiuldn’t fit into this city (maybe the only place he fits in is Japan where they don’t all completely understand the garbage coming out of his mouth).

    I’m sure Bochy would be fine though he brings a lot of the same quirks that Dusty has, but he might be surprised how difficult it is to manage without having at least two real aces on his team at all time and while being removed from the weak NL West. How that organization has handled Brandon Belt is very similar to how the Reds have treated Mesoraco so I guess they’d be peas in a pod.

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Bobby V woiuldn’t fit into this city (maybe the only place he fits in is Japan where they don’t all completely understand the garbage coming out of his mouth).

      I’m sure Bochy would be fine though he brings a lot of the same quirks that Dusty has, but he might be surprised how difficult it is to manage without having at least two real aces on his team at all time and while being removed from the weak NL West.How that organization has handled Brandon Belt is very similar to how the Reds have treated Mesoraco so I guess they’d be peas in a pod.

      @CP: I was being sarcastic about Bobby V. Rather keep Dusty.

      I’m not a big Mes fan and think we traded the wrong catcher. Time will tell and hope I’m very wrong.

  75. Arguing for Bobby Valentine over Dusty may be the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. One guy has a flawed small market team in first place in all of baseball, while the other took the second highest payroll and ran it into the ground. I’m as frustrated as anyone with Dusty’s lineup, but to clamor for Bobby Valentine is foolish.

  76. Why are people talking about a managerial change ? Castellini has already said that Dusty is staying.

    • Why are people talking about a managerial change ? Castellini has already said that Dusty is staying.

      @pinson343: Just small talk. Wasn’t exactly an overload of action in this particular game. Should have keep my mouth shut and that is for real.

  77. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Eh way too early to tell. I brought up Belt and Mesoraco merely to illustrate that both Bochy and Dusty set young players up to fail. Young studs don’t need to be handed starting jobs, but perhaps old fuddy duddy managers need to provide semi-regular opportunities (for example, Mesoraco catching no back-to-back games).

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Eh way too early to tell.I brought up Belt and Mesoraco merely to illustrate that both Bochy and Dusty set young players up to fail.Young studs don’t need to be handed starting jobs, but perhaps old fuddy duddy managers need to provide semi-regular opportunities (for example, Mesoraco catching no back-to-back games).

      I wonder if a season spent at AAA would have been more productive for his development? I’m just sky-high on what Hanigan brings to the table. Mes will get his chance before long but it may still be a couple of years. I’m definitely rooting for Devin and you have a fair point even if we may disagree.

      Jay Bruce is really carrying the offense right now. Take a bow, Mr. Bruce.

      • Jay Bruce is really carrying the offense right now. Take a bow, Mr. Bruce.

        Bruce is in one of those “zones” again. He has put this team on his shoulders for the last 10 games. Since Aug. 1 he has been the Jay Bruce we all want to see consistently.
        One positive: Exxon Valdez didn’t let one go right through his legs with the game on the line.

  78. I was nervous in the 8th and 9th. Did not trust a 1 run lead. Thought Rollins might take a Broxton fastball out, he almost did.

    With Chapman, was more concerned about Mayberry and Wiggington than Howard. Thought one of them might run into a fastball if Chapman grooved one. Wiggington almost did. Yes Howard’s much more of a threat than them, but lefties have virtually no chance against Chapman.

  79. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: Oh OK. I asked a question, I got an answer.

  80. Chris Welsh: “You can tell by the way Stubbs is swinging at that outside ball that his heart’s just not in it.”

    What does that even MEAN? This is a first place team in September with legitimate WS aspirations. If his heart isn’t in it then freaking cut him.

    I think what he meant is that his swing wasn’t into the pitch. His heart wasn’t into that particular swing. I could be wrong. It was an outside fastball. Followed by an inside pitch which Stubbs struck out and you could hear boos! I hate to say this but Reds games are kinda boring right now. Nobody is hitting except Bruce. Stubbs followed by Valdez can only happen under a Dusty lineup.

  81. @hoodlum: 😆 😀

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About Chad Dotson

Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine. You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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