So Brandon Phillips is hurt, a strained left calf, according to this piece by Mark Sheldon:

“To tell you the truth, I’m not going to be playing for a while. Dr. [Kremchek, Medical Director] looked at it and he said it was worse than what they expected. I didn’t know. I just knew it felt bad. I just feel like I let people down, especially because we’re in first place and the race is real close. You already have one person out, so I don’t want to be the person coming out. It just really [stinks].”

Go check out the entire piece for all of BP’s quotes. One of the money quotes pointed out that Phillips aggravated the injury during Monday’s game.

Everyone saw this quote, however — “I’m not going to be playing for a while. — and promptly freaked out, as Reds fans are wont to do. Shortly thereafter, on Twitter, BP said he’d be out “a day or two.”

So which is it? My guess: he’s out for ten to twelve days, but the Reds won’t put him on the disabled list; instead, they’ll choose to play with a 24-man roster.

Okay, that’s only speculation on my part, but it’s informed speculation. I’ve seen the Reds do this a hundred times before (including earlier this season, with Scott Rolen). At this point, all we can hope is that Phillips will only be out a day or two, as he estimated. Fingers are crossed.

One final note: I don’t know enough about the situation to criticize the Reds medical staff. Something stinks here, but I’m not prepared to hurl accusations yet. I’m sure you won’t feel the same restraint in the comments section. Feel free: it’s America!

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

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  1. Just read a blip on ESPN that Votto is likely at LEAST 2 weeks away from coming back (I said when he went down I’d be impressed if he was back by September 1). No Joey AND Brandon for 2+ weeks? Ugh.Those 10 wins sure look good right about now. Stuff those in the piggy bank because we’re going to need them.

  2. Colloquially, “a while” could very well mean one or two games. I don’t think the two phrases are necessarily exclusive of each other.

    I bet he sits for two games against SD, but he plays every game against PIT.

    • Colloquially, “a while” could very well mean one or two games. I don’t think the two phrases are necessarily exclusive of each other.

      I bet he sits for two games against SD, but he plays every game against PIT.

      Yeah but SHOULD he? I still don’t buy this “calf cramp” thing for a second. I watched him twist his knee, wince, and immediately grab it on that swing Sunday. A “calf cramp” doesn’t linger for 3 days and you don’t “re-aggravate” it. I just don’t know why they’re screwing around after the Votto debacle.

      • Yeah but SHOULD he? I still don’t buy this “calf cramp” thing for a second. I watched him twist his knee, wince, and immediately grab it on that swing Sunday. A “calf cramp” doesn’t linger for 3 days and you don’t “re-aggravate” it. I just don’t know why they’re screwing around after the Votto debacle.

        John Fay seemed to say “wow, what a coincidence that he had a calf cramp and now a strained calf”. Lame—a cramp has nothing to do with a strain.

  3. What I dont get is this… How many games ago did Brandon have the cramps (honestly cannot remember) and had to come out of the game? Don’t you think they should have had Kremchek look at him to be safe… Not like Brandon is important or anything…

    If they would have checked out Votto when the injury would have happened he would have been back by now and this injury wouldn’t be as bad as it is…

    We could seriously be going for the next week without either Votto or Phillips… Damn… If they aren’t going to DL him, look forward to alot of games of Valdez at 2nd, probably batting #2 in the lineup…

  4. I agree completely… He hasnt look right…

    If Phillips is out for an extended period, I hope they dont rush Votto back…

    And if needed DL him, we will need the bodies… Maybe give gregorious (sp) a shot

  5. @brasp01: Lemons into lemonade, Valdez batting 2nd would probably mean Stubbs leading off and Cozart down to 7. That’s a much better place for Cozart to start getting comfortable and maybe Dusty finally sees that he has no place at the top of the order. At this point I have to believe the only reason he’s been leading off this long is because Dusty doesn’t want to admit he’s royally screwed up for 2/3 of a season.

    Who bats 3rd? Ludwick?

  6. @eric nyc: Sitting two games could be enough for Phillips to feel better. We don’t know, and we CAN’T know.

    If there’s no damage, he could very well be healthy enough to play the big weekend series.

  7. Sorry, gotta rant. There’s two issues that have depressed and angered me over the last 24 hours. First, the Reds did nothing to address the extreme right-handedness of their lineup (Foxbud beat me to the punch yesterday). We have a higher percentage of ABs from righties than any team in the majors. We’re 22nd in the majors vs. righties w/ a .725 OPS (Stubbs, .630!), 6th in OPS vs. lefties. Now think about the potential playoff matchups (Cain, Vogelsong, Lincecum?), think about Xavier Paul (or some has-been who passed thru the waiver wire garbage filter) as your only bullet off the bench. Feel queasy yet? Finding just one LH bat was the easiest, most cost effective way to improve the lineup. Walt and Co. completely whiffed. Based on their words, they didn’t seem to think it was a problem. That astounds me.
    Second, the Broxton deal is emblematic of the hypocritical man-love they have for veteran players and their willingness, nay eagerness, to overlook cost effective solutions under their collective noses. In a nutshell, at every turn they take pains to tell us just how ill-equipped rookies are to handle the major leagues, yet they’ll trust two rookies to man the left side of the infield for the entire season, while gladly suffering the big money, below replacement level performances of Valdez/Cairo/Rolen. I really need to hear them explain how their experience has helped to make up for a lack of production on the field, because the evidence doesn’t exist. Sorry fellas, you can’t have it both ways. Bottom line, production is all that matters, in the front office as well as on the field. Walt and Co. took the golden sombrero yesterday.

    • Sorry, gotta rant. There’s two issues that have depressed and angered me over the last 24 hours. First, the Reds did nothing to address the extreme right-handedness of their lineup (Foxbud beat me to the punch yesterday). We have a higher percentage of ABs from righties than any team in the majors.

      The Reds also have the best record in baseball, so the right-handedness doesn’t seem to be hurting them all that much.

      And while I agree one more lefty hitter would be nice, (1) who and at what price, and (2) they still have August to do waiver deals.

  8. @eric nyc: That is true… I would put cozart down in the lineup, allow him to relax…

    3rd would be either Bruce or Frazier in my opinion, leaving Ludwick in cleanup (which is where he should stay the rest of the year, but Dusty wont do that)…

  9. There’s no way the Reds just sit BP on the bench without putting him on the DL with Mesoraco getting suspended soon.

    That will already take them down to a 24-man roster, then they’re gonna sit Brandon and go with 23? Not a chance.

  10. Do the rules allow you to bring a player up while another player (Meso) is suspended? Then DFA them after?

  11. 1) You can’t bring someone up in place of a suspended player

    2) Didn’t Joey MVP take some BP yesterday? Anyone hear how he looked?

    3) Fay has speculated that Joey might be activated as soon as Friday.

    • 1) You can’t bring someone up in place of a suspended player

      2) Didn’t Joey MVP take some BP yesterday?Anyone hear how he looked?

      3) Fay has speculated that Joey might be activated as soon as Friday.

      No, Joey did some “baseball work” but did NOT take BP.

  12. @zblakey: After Fay originally said Votto was taking BP he tweeted later that Votto said he was just keeping a bat in his hands because it keeps them strong, so who knows.

  13. What the Reds need to do, if Votto is a ways from coming back, is to go and get Overbay if possible, and play Overbay at 1st and Frazier at 2nd while both Votto and Phillips are out. This is assuming that Phillips is out for an extended period of time, where extended means 7 days or more.

  14. @zblakey: Thats what I thought, just wasnt sure…

    Joey took ground balls and apparently looked good… Did not take BP, went to cage holding bat…

    I would be surprised if he played this weekend… Do not want to rush him back (esp since he has not taken BP yet)

  15. @Racine Red: Wasnt Overbay DFA’d… When would we know if he cleared waivers?

    • @Racine Red: Wasnt Overbay DFA’d… When would we know if he cleared waivers?

      Yes. I’m not quite sure how DFA’ing works when it occurs within 10 days of the trading deadline. That is, usually you have 10 days to trade or release the guy, but he was DFA’d about 2-3 days ago. So is Overbay now only tradeable to someone that claimed him (if someone did), as with all waiver deals after Aug 1, or is there a different rule?

  16. thanks for the clarification on BP, my best guess is that Votto is one week to ten days away. Given how the Reds have played its no need to rush him, its not like they are falling out of the race.

    My concern is are the Reds starting pitchers starting to hit the wall, given Cueto’s, Leake’s and Bailey’s most recent outings.

    What do the experts say?

  17. No expert here (or even close)… But I simply think it was a couple bad outings… Dont know about Leake, but I expect Cueto and Bailey to bounce back big time… Both will throw in the Pitt series right?

  18. I doubt we see Brandon till Sept, and Joey around the middle of the month..

    • I doubt we see Brandon till Sept, and Joey around the middle of the month..

      Wow…that’s pessimistic even by MY standards. Where are you getting BP down for a month?

      • Wow…that’s pessimistic even by MY standards. Where are you getting BP down for a month?

        Easy, some how our medical staff will screw it up. They won’t DL Phillips till maybe next monday and then it will be how many days after he comes off that he is back to 100%? Heck it would not shock me to hear “We are going to have to shut him down for the year” at some point out of the Reds..

        • Easy, some how our medical staff will screw it up.They won’t DL Phillips till maybe next monday and then it will be how many days after he comes off that he is back to 100%?Heck it would not shock me to hear “We are going to have to shut him down for the year” at some point out of the Reds..

          Ok, I’m checking out of this thread. We have officially speculated all the way from 1 day to down for the year and literally everything in between. Chad, please post a new thread when there’s any actual news. I’m praying WVRedlegs is just making up his MRI story…

  19. It’s sad that a lot of us predicted this would happen. Now we possibly won’t have Phillips for the Pirates series. How does this happen after the Votto debacle? Is nobody in the organization accountable for how player’s injuries are handled? Is the official policy to allow players to make their own decisions? This is beyond comprehension.

  20. “Dr. [Kremchek, Medical Director] looked at it and he said it was worse than what they expected.”

    A pattern that repeats itself since at least the Ken Griffey Jr. days. Do nothing. Let him play hurt a few games. Find out later it was “worse than expected” either because they played hurt or mis/undiagnosed.

    • Agree completely, Greg. This has been going on for a long time with the Reds.

      “Dr. [Kremchek, Medical Director] looked at it and he said it was worse than what they expected.”

      A pattern that repeats itself since at least the Ken Griffey Jr. days. Do nothing. Let him play hurt a few games. Find out later it was “worse than expected” either because they played hurt or mis/undiagnosed.

    • “Dr. [Kremchek, Medical Director] looked at it and he said it was worse than what they expected.”A pattern that repeats itself since at least the Ken Griffey Jr. days. Do nothing. Let him play hurt a few games. Find out later it was “worse than expected” either because they played hurt or mis/undiagnosed.

      The reason it seems like a pattern is because when the injury is minor, you don’t hear about it. It’s a long season. Players get banged up. Usually it’s nothing, and when it’s nothing, it’s not news. Once in a while it’s something, and people start calling for the medical staffs’ heads on a platter. Fortunately, the front office doesn’t read blogs.

      • The reason it seems like a pattern is because when the injury is minor, you don’t hear about it. It’s a long season. Players get banged up. Usually it’s nothing, and when it’s nothing, it’s not news. Once in a while it’s something, and people start calling for the medical staffs’ heads on a platter. Fortunately, the front office doesn’t read blogs.

        I’m speaking to the injuries that require a player to leave a game or we know about because they have to miss starts. For those types of injuries, I think the Reds have a fairly well-established pattern.

  21. This scares the hell outta me…makes this series with the Padres that much more important. Winning today and tomorrow would ensure that we are still at least 3 games up on the Pirates – hopefully more. Not saying I think the Bucco’s will automatically sweep us, but I don’t feel very confident we can take 2 of 3 without Votto AND DatDude. Especially given our struggles against the Pirates (did I really just type that?!). Furthermore, Leake & Bailey will be scheduled to pitch this weekend. Sure would be nice to know we had some offensive firepower in the lineup if one or both decide to have another meltdown.

  22. Well the question of the day is how long is “a while”? DatDude’s tweet made the calf injury seem minor but I believe calf injuries tend to linger sometimes. If Votto and Phillips both miss games at the same time, I think that we need to and will play .500 or better baseball if we keep playing great defense and get solid outings from our entire pitching staffs. We saw it when Votto went out. We just need to keep it up. The thought of seeing both our golden geese out at the same time scares the crap out of me though.
    And by the way, I don’t understand how the hell all of us fans can watch Phillips ans realize that something is wrong with his calf in multiple games but the “professionals” don’t make a quicker diagnosis or have Brandon paly it safe and give it a little rest. The players are going to lie!!! You gotta keep an eye on them to see what’s really going on with their bodies.

  23. I think it’s a bit soon to jump all over Leake and Bailey. They had bad outings, it’s bound to happen. They’re also the back end of our rotation. If you looked at their numbers and told everyone at the start of the season how well they have done I doubt you’d get anyone believing. A couple bad games is no reason to lose faith in a pair of guys who have done so well this year for us. I won’t comment on the injury thing because I think we all share the same feelings on that one. That said, I’m still looking forward to the Pirates series because even with BP and Votto out we still have a good shot at making some headway. We do, after all still have Frazier.

  24. Has Mesoraco been suspended yet? OR will he be?

    If DatDude does wind up on the DL, I think the reds need to bring up either Henry Rodriquez or Didi Gregorious. Having Cairo or Valdez in the lineup for a extended period of time would NOT be a good thing…

  25. Funny thing is that in my profession, I don’t get the luxury of waiting for a problem to significantly escalate before I feel inclined to do something about it. I guess the medical team for the Reds do. Must be really nice.

    It’s not breaking news that athletes will want to play through injuries. It’s just like how I’ll go to work when I’m sick, except I’m not a multi-million dollar liability and my doctor tends to know what is best for me.

    Commence head bashing into desk.

  26. It is amazing to see this thing happens again and again. We are not living in the end of the world which does not have any Sport-Medicine. I wonder how much the med. Staffs and trainer get pay for a day of work. The Doc. probably asked BP- Son, how do you feel on your knee, tak two aspirins and go to bed and tomorrow thing will be fine…Quack! 😆

  27. Calling doctor Bombay, calling doctor Bombay…. This is getting very ugly!!!! 👿

  28. Random thought…Cueto is scheduled to pitch I believe tomorrow? Dusty has shown a preference all year to use Cueto’s starts to trot out his “Sunday afternoon” lineups. If BP is going to be down for let’s say a week and miss the Pirates series and leave us with a very weakened lineup, any chance we would push Cueto’s start a day so we get at least one game in that series with our ace? With no BP or Joey, I’d be fine going 1-2 this weekend and only losing one game in the standings.

  29. Well at least the offense is hot during the injury streak.

    I would like to see a replacement for BP come up but that would mean him on the DL…ugh

  30. Lets all calm down and breathe for a second.

    The Reds schedule is still relatively easy. Buckos are in town for 3 games and after that its away games at Milwaukee & Chicago then back home for NYM and Chicago, again. None of those teams hold winning records. Now we are looking at the end of August to an away series against Philly and back home to finally take on a team above .500, St. Louis Cardinals.

    They face 2, yes two, teams with winning records. They don’t need to sweep every team they play, but just win the series. The Reds are good enough to do that even with Phillips & Votto down. And by the time the Reds actually face a decent team they should have either Votto back or POSSIBLY both pending how BP heals.

    It’ll be alright. I’ll start worrying about these games if they are 5 back in September.

    I think Votto will be back within 7-10 days and BP could be between 2-3 weeks.

  31. Place Phillips on the DL and let him rest it. Don’t want it to linger on for the rest of the season. Remember at the beginning of the season Phillips hurt his quad or hammy. It took him about 3-4 weeks before he was right and had his legs under him. Give him 15 days of rest and he will come back with a vengence. As for a replacement, H-Rod and Gregorius have earned a shot to play 2 weeks of major league second base. I’d like to see what Gregorius can do I as was hoping that he would be in the mix for 3B next year.

  32. Is there any actual NEWS on a timeframe for BP? This thread is littered with people just throwing out random numbers. It started off with 1-2 days, then it became a month, then it was 2-3 weeks. Can someone at least tell me these are all just pure guesses at this point or point me to something that someone official said?

    • Is there any actual NEWS on a timeframe for BP? This thread is littered with people just throwing out random numbers. It started off with 1-2 days, then it became a month, then it was 2-3 weeks. Can someone at least tell me these are all just pure guesses at this point or point me to something that someone official said?

      BP says it’s 1 or 2 days.

      That’s all we have to work with.

    • Is there any actual NEWS on a timeframe for BP? This thread is littered with people just throwing out random numbers. It started off with 1-2 days, then it became a month, then it was 2-3 weeks. Can someone at least tell me these are all just pure guesses at this point or point me to something that someone official said?

      Nope. It’s all just rank speculation and second-guessing.

    • Is there any actual NEWS on a timeframe for BP? This thread is littered with people just throwing out random numbers. It started off with 1-2 days, then it became a month, then it was 2-3 weeks. Can someone at least tell me these are all just pure guesses at this point or point me to something that someone official said?

      Well I googled it and it says that any Reds player who says it’s not major then it turns out to be worse is looking at a minimum of 2-3 and a maximum of over a month. But then you have to figure in the Reds medical staff and well…only god knows when we will see a healthy Phillips again…

  33. THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s all folks. 😀 Other than there is a lot we do not know, and very little that we can make judgements on at this point.

  34. @WVRedlegs: Why is there a “mix” at 3B next year? His name’s Todd Frazier and he’s the starting third baseman for the Cincinnati Reds until he doesn’t want to be anymore.

  35. Wouldn’t it make sense that Phillips’ comment, “It was worse than they expected,” just means the difference between a calf cramp (which they expected) versus a calf strain (which it is)?

    Let’s not jump off buildings here. It’s a strain, not a torn muscle or anything. Guys have stepped up in Joey’s absence, and it’s not too far out of line to expect something close to that to continue even with Phillips out.

  36. For those who were asking about the waivers for Overbay:

    Being DFA’d forces a club to do one of three things within 10 days: trade him, release him, or put him on “irrevocable outright waivers.” In order for a team to put a player on these waivers it has to officially do it by the 7th day. The difference between being traded and bring put on the irrevocable outright waivers is that trading the player allows an easier way for higher ranked clubs, or clubs of a different league, to get access to the player as the waivers prioritize win-loss records in reverse order (and beginning on August 1st all teams of the players league are given priority of the other league no matter the record). This means clubs of a lower record can claim the player. And, since the Reds have the best record in the Majors, ANY NL team can claim him before the Reds.

    The “trade” waivers, or revocable Major League waivers, are handled differently. Most teams will put a lot of players on these waivers every year to test the trade markets and sometimes to disguise who they want to trade. If they pass through waivers (which I can’t remember but I believe is 10 days) any club can now trade for them. If a claim is made the two teams have ten days to work out an agreement, which can be a trade, an outright buy, or a revoked waiver. Claims again are processed in reverse win-loss order.

    The fuzziness comes into how they already declared Overbay. If he was on irrevocable outright waivers, the Reds can pick him up at minimum salary plus 20k to the team. If they didn’t I believe, but am unsure, they can place him on irrevocable waivers until the 7th day comes to try and trade him. However, this is unlikely because they seem to just want him off the 40-man roster. If the Reds do pick him up he has to be on the 25-man and then clear waivers to be designated to AAA.

    I don’t necessarily agree with picking up Overbay, but I thought I’d give my 2 cents on how waivers work.

  37. @eric nyc:

    Dude, you are assuming too much at this juncture. I hope Frazier will also be playing 3B next year. But you never know what Uncle Walt will do this off-season. Frazier could be used in a trade this winter for a stud 3B, for ALL you know.

  38. @WVRedlegs: Todd Frazier once traded Walt Jockety.

  39. Phillips went for an MRI early this morning. Results were not positive. 😥
    Arthroscopic knee surgery has been scheduled for Friday by Dr. Timothy Kremcheck.

    • @WVRedlegs:

      Phillips went for an MRI early this morning.Results were not positive.
      Arthroscopic knee surgery has been scheduled for Friday by Dr. Timothy Kremcheck.

      Your source?

    • Phillips went for an MRI early this morning.Results were not positive.
      Arthroscopic knee surgery has been scheduled for Friday by Dr. Timothy Kremcheck.

      Source? Not seeing this anywhere.

  40. @WVRedlegs: But how is knee surgery going to help the cramp in his calf?

    Ugh…this is awful…

  41. @SirRibShack: A friend works in Dr.’s office.

  42. How did it become his knee all of the sudden? Probably from those giant swings BP takes, pulling his head with his at a 90 degree angle from the ground.

    This sucks. Two in one season.

    Whoever was saying we have been lucky with injuries this year I think can stop. I am glad this happened in time for us to address this at the trade deadline.

  43. Why would they wait until Friday to perform surgery? *IF* the surgery thing is legit and not made up…don’t you think they could get him in faster?

  44. I do not believe this… IT WAS HIS CALF… Not knee…

    • I do not believe this… IT WAS HIS CALF… Not knee…

      No at first the Reds and Brandon were saying calf, then last night Brandon said it was the knee.

  45. @brasp01: I agree…no news sources or Reds writer have said anything. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

  46. @CKeever:
    False alarm. My friend was playing a joke on me. No Phillips knee surgery. At least not yet. She let it go on for 2 1/2 hours before she set me straight. At the next BBQ she will get her payback.

    • @CKeever:
      False alarm.My friend was playing a joke on me. No Phillips knee surgery. At least not yet.She let it go on for 2 1/2 hours before she set me straight. At the next BBQ she will get her payback.

      Not cool. Not cool at all.

  47. @WVRedlegs: Tell your friend that I almost soiled myself at work when I saw that. I’m too relieved to be upset!

  48. I can’t believe it’s still 2012 and people still believe unsubstantiated rumors on the Internet.

    😉

  49. If your friend had been telling the truth, she could be fired if anyone at her office found out she told you. HIPPA laws are no joke and the medical profession takes them seriously. You have to give permission for the doctor to tell your spouse anything.

  50. @renbutler: That’s pretty much what the whole day yesterday consisted of.

  51. @WVRedlegs: FYI – I realize this was a joke, but if it had been legitimate information, you and especially your friend could have been guilty of breaking a federal law with respect to sharing another’s personal health information.

    • @WVRedlegs: FYI – I realize this was a joke, but if it had been legitimate information, you and especially your friend could have been guilty of breaking a federal law with respect to sharing another’s personal health information.

      At the very least he’s guilty of a federal count of being a total bummer.

  52. I really hope we do not play shorthanded. HRod came up through the system playing 2nd base. It’s time he finally gets his call up.

  53. “He’s got that swag back. He’s feeling it,” Baker said. “He’s swinging the bat great for us. You have to have somebody hot in there, hopefully in the middle of the lineup.”

    I hope that means Baker sees Ludwick at the #4 so that when Brandon returns to the lineup Phillips returns to leadoff.

    • “He’s got that swag back. He’s feeling it,” Baker said. “He’s swinging the bat great for us. You have to have somebody hot in there, hopefully in the middle of the lineup.”

      I hope that means Baker sees Ludwick at the #4 so that when Brandon returns to the lineup Phillips returns to leadoff.

      Nope, by “middle of the order” he means #5:

      1. Zack Cozart (R) SS
      2. Drew Stubbs (R) CF
      3. Jay Bruce (L) RF
      4. Scott Rolen (R) 3B
      5. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
      6. Todd Frazier (R) 1B
      7. Wilson Valdez (R) 2B
      8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
      9. Bronson Arroyo (R) P

  54. @AndyS: We’re a legit contender in 1st place and 20 games over. I would think that any time a key player (like Phillips or Votto) doesn’t look right, they should get immediate attention and analysis, just to be on the safe side. That whole “better safe than sorry” think hasn’t been applied here.

  55. Ludwick will likely get his shot at cleanup (Bruce @ #3), until BP/Votto get back. If Votto beats BP back, AND if Ludwick continues his offense MAYBE then Baker will consider BP at leadoff. But even then, I doubt it. At this point, I don’t care as much WHERE they bat as long as Joey, BP, and Ludwick are ALL in the lineup.

  56. It’s comical really. Rolen is no better than the 4th best option for cleanup right now, even though he’s been hitting well lately.

    If it was me, I would switch Cozart and Valdez, and Frazier with Stubbs, just to see if those two can produce more near the bottom of the order. But Cozart is clearly our leadoff hitter for the rest of the year. No doubt we’ll be sending up the guy with a sub-.290 OBP for our first at bat in every playoff game we play this year.

    I’m going to stop second guessing these lineups now because we’re stuck with them.

  57. Just as I’m typing the last message, the lineup is released. Nope. Ludwick batting 5th. Rolen 4th.

  58. Just in. Brandon Phillips’ leg falls off. Struck down with the plague. Near death. The Nation Panics. “Oh no! How long is he going to be out?”, one RedlegNation follower questions.

  59. Mesoraco got suspended for 3 games. The timing for this suspension ain’t so good. No BP, Votto, or Meso for the next 3 games.

  60. BP has not been ruled out of the next three games. The only thing official we have is that he will not start tonight.

  61. @renbutler: Looks like we’ll have to see what “a while” means. And it’s worth noting that when a player is hurt Dusty usually make them wait at least a game or two longer than usual to make sure they’re ok. You’re right, he hasn’t been ruled out. But I don’t think anyone expects him to paly the next few games.

  62. Thanks, it sounds a little more reasonable that way. I still stick by my guess that he’ll sit WED/THU and start (or at worst PH) on FRI.

    It’s as valid as any other guess I’ve seen, and better than a few.

  63. Since Hanigan catches 3 SP’s in a row, why not appeal the suspension until the next round of Arroyo, Cueto & Latos. Hopefully, our bullpen is in better shape by then, and we know more about BP so we don’t have to play 2 short. Then call up Corky/Navarro to cover as its not like Mez PH’s anyway. DFA him after suspension. Not sure about the 40 man impact though. Or showcase Navarro by the 8-31 deadline….as a veteran hitting catcher, I would think he would have a bit of value?

  64. I sure hope he’s ready to go for those pesky Pirates. They just don’t go away like they used to.

  65. This thing with Cozart batting leadoff has escalated to something beyond Dusty not understanding sabermetrics. At this point it really feels like some kind of internal power struggle within the organization. Dusty hasn’t gotten an extension, one I’m assuming he wants. Walt says “You have to start putting someone else in the leadoff spot” and Dusty says “Ok, as soon as I get my new contract.” That might be a bit conspiracy-theory, but It’s August now. This isn’t an experiment anymore. This isn’t “Let’s see if he can get going.” Dusty’s making a statement, and it’s either “Shut up, I know better than everyone else in the world” or it’s “Give me my money or I can keep this up all season.”

    This team is good and I think they have a very good chance of going deep into the playoffs once they’re healthy, but I REALLy hope that doesn’t mean Dusty gets a free pass on this. Even if we win a ring, we really need to look for a new manager next year.

    • This thing with Cozart batting leadoff has escalated to something beyond Dusty not understanding sabermetrics. At this point it really feels like some kind of internal power struggle within the organization. Dusty hasn’t gotten an extension, one I’m assuming he wants. Walt says “You have to start putting someone else in the leadoff spot” and Dusty says “Ok, as soon as I get my new contract.” That might be a bit conspiracy-theory, but It’s August now. This isn’t an experiment anymore. This isn’t “Let’s see if he can get going.” Dusty’s making a statement, and it’s either “Shut up, I know better than everyone else in the world” or it’s “Give me my money or I can keep this up all season.”

      This team is good and I think they have a very good chance of going deep into the playoffs once they’re healthy, but I REALLy hope that doesn’t mean Dusty gets a free pass on this. Even if we win a ring, we really need to look for a new manager next year.

      Tonight is a perfect example of the lineup issues that have hurt my perception of Dusty despite his great ‘in game’ calls and decisions when to get bench players some time this year.

      The leadoff position is absurd at this point. The best team in baseball with the worst leadoff hitter in baseball and there seems to be ‘if it ain’t broke’ mentality pervading.

      Someone smart needs to explain Rolen at 4. The poor guy is heating up but swinging for the fences is only going to mess with his resurgence. Why can’t a guy who has looked like an elite 4 hole hitter the past week or two (Ludwick) play the 4 hole when it’s vacated yet again? And what has Frazier done so wrong that with Votto and Phillips out he stays at #6?! Bruce is up two spots, Ludwick one, and Rolen leap frogs everyone while Frazier stays put.

    • This thing with Cozart batting leadoff has escalated to something beyond Dusty not understanding sabermetrics. At this point it really feels like some kind of internal power struggle within the organization. Dusty hasn’t gotten an extension, one I’m assuming he wants. Walt says “You have to start putting someone else in the leadoff spot” and Dusty says “Ok, as soon as I get my new contract.” That might be a bit conspiracy-theory, but It’s August now. This isn’t an experiment anymore. This isn’t “Let’s see if he can get going.” Dusty’s making a statement, and it’s either “Shut up, I know better than everyone else in the world” or it’s “Give me my money or I can keep this up all season.”

      This team is good and I think they have a very good chance of going deep into the playoffs once they’re healthy, but I REALLy hope that doesn’t mean Dusty gets a free pass on this. Even if we win a ring, we really need to look for a new manager next year.

      I am really beginning to think you are right. I said yesterday when they didn’t trade for a leadoff hitter that I thought it was a very clear message that Dusty’s time is up at the end of the year. Here’s my thought – Walt knows that they have a number of better lineup options on the team so why trade away the future when you can fix the problem with a new manager in the off season. We’re looking at a 5 to 10 year period of winning with these guys if we’re able to step back and look at the really big picture, and I think that’s what happened yesterday.

      Back on topic – I’m not a doctor and I won’t play one on the interwebs, but this sure seems similar to what happened with JoeyMVP and that’s a real concern. The medical/training staff has to do a better job (just based on the Votto situation).

  66. Some of these conspiracy theories rank right up there with the JFK assassination and Roswell.

    I noticed tinfoil sales are up…

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