2012 Reds / Game Thread

Game Thread: Reds vs. Rockies (2012.05.27)

Your Cincinnati Reds will go for yet another series win today, as they face the Rockies in an afternoon contest. Mat Latos will pitch for the Redlegs, while the Rockies will counter with their own up-and-coming young pitcher, Jamie Moyer.

Discuss the game here. Go Redlegs.

277 thoughts on “Game Thread: Reds vs. Rockies (2012.05.27)

  1. @al: During spring training, when Chapman was getting a lot of innings, he was throwing a wicked slider for strikes. That continued into the season, and just before he became closer he was still throwing if for strikes. He’s got to win games rather than worry about pitch development when he’s on the mound, but I don’t see why he can’t throw the slider more when he’s ahead in the count. It’s not like anyone is going to hit it, in the worst case it’s a ball.

    He is now in a state where he can’t throw the slider with a runner on 3rd, as in the 8th inning.

    Chapman’s fastball is almost unhittable for several reasons. He locates it well, varies his speeds, and has late movement.

  2. @AnnapolisHoosier: i know that’s what i said, i said he’s a one pitcher pitcher, effing duh dude. how many times do i have to say that i said it?

    he’s thrown fastballs 86% of the time this year, up from 75% when he came up. also, your argument that he was “being smart in the situation” is just proving my point. if being smart in that situation means not throwing anything but fastballs because you’re scared you’ll throw a wild pitch, you ARE a one pitch pitcher.

    what i never said was that he couldn’t be successful as a closer as a one pitch pitcher. mo rivera was pretty much a one pitch closer and that worked pretty well.

    • but fastballs because you’re scared you’ll throw a wild pitch, you ARE a one pitch pitcher.

      Sorry that line by itself is totally nonsense. Many pitchers will not use their breaking stuff with a man on third. Doesn’t make them a 1-pitch pitcher but to your greater point: Chapman is a 1-pitch guy for the most point right now. So was/is Mariano Rivera too.

  3. @pinson343: again, this IS what i’m saying, and obviously it worked, so i’m not complaining that he’s being ineffective.

    what i’m saying is that he’s become a one pitch pitcher from everything i can see. he throws a bad slider one every 20 pitches or so lately.

    this is because the reds have put him in a spot where he feels like he has to go with his best stuff all the time. the less he throws his other pitches, the less comfortable he’ll be throwing them, and the less he’ll throw them and on and on. taking him further from what he should be doing.

  4. @CharlotteNCRedsFan: um, i just made that comp.

    and yes, there are plenty of other pitchers who are scared to throw non-fastballs with a guy at 3rd, but most are not very good. there are lots of good pitchers who do throw all there pitches with a guy at third because they aren’t scared of throwing wild pitches.

    it’s not nonsense, it’s logic. anyone can say that they have 50 pitches. but if when you need to throw a strike you can only trust one, then you are a one-pitch pitcher. that’s sort of the definition.

  5. @AnnapolisHoosier: That wasn’t just about Austin Kearns, it was about two productive (at the time) starting players for two middle relievers (not counting the throw ins in the trade). Majewski of course was a disaster, the other was Bray. Turned out to be much ado about nothing, but the point is the whole baseball world was very down on that trade, not just Reds fans. The media jumped all over Krivsky.

  6. @al: Not to contribute one way or the other, but a point of interest is that the last slider I remember him throwing was the strikeout of Heyward in Atlanta. But that Slider was FILTHY

  7. @al: Anyone who doesn’t think Chapman is a one-pitch pitcher at this point is kidding themselves. He won’t even throw a slider ahead 0-2. It’s ridiculous.

    I do congratulate Baker for bringing Chapman in in the 8th. I never thought I’d see it.

  8. @al: It IS what you’re saying because we’re saying almost exactly the same thing, I’m elaborating on what you’re saying. I’m just trying to be a little more positive about it. I hope he resumes trying to work in his slider, even as closer, in situations where he can.
    And I hope he’s able to quickly regain his slider in spring training 2013.

  9. @kywhi: The organization is inept, and if Mitch Williams is your star witness, consider me laughing.

    Besides, Williams was a closer and I’d bet he overvalues closers because of it.

  10. @hermanbates: The slider to Heyward was filthy – getting him to chase – and he was also throwing the slider for called strikes, including called strike 3, against lefties and righties.

  11. @cliff: Well, I’ve dissed Bailey a lot, and I certainly don’t think he’d bring much of anything in a trade. Homer Baileys, guys who haven’t broken through and are nearing the point where they’ll get expensive, just aren’t valuable trade chips.

    If Bailey strings together 7 good outings in a row, say, I’ll revisit his value.

    • @cliff: Well, I’ve dissed Bailey a lot, and I certainly don’t think he’d bring much of anything in a trade.Homer Baileys, guys who haven’t broken through and are nearing the point where they’ll get expensive, just aren’t valuable trade chips.

      If Bailey strings together 7 good outings in a row, say, I’ll revisit his value.

      My point exactly. I’m A LOT higher on Bailey than most. I still think he can be a 3rd SP on a great team or a solid 2 on a weaker one. He actually….reminds me somewhat of Carpenter. Great arm who didn’t figure it out until a bit later. I know that’s sacrilegious on here, but you can’t deny his arm. That bring said, almost everyone was pushing each other out of the way to get in line to do something with him. And although he has been solid, if mike leake hadn’t temporarily imploded, he would still be the biggest hate target in this rotation. But we expect other teams to jump all over the chance to acquire him.

      And by the way, rentals still cost A LOT. Their value is only diminished when there are non-rental alternatives to be had I don’t see any, do you?

  12. @al: My point was.

    In critical situations, if my guy is going to get beat, I would rather it be with his best pitch. Doesn’t mean he is one-pitch pitcher.

    I do agree with your larger point though: if Chapman has two ++ pitches he is at the top of the class. If he every develops an off-speed pitch he goes from being one of the, if not the, best of his generation to being Sandy Koufax. I want him to be a starter with more than one or two pitches so he might be mentioned with the all-time greats: Johnson, Dean, Young & Koufax.

  13. My problem with Homer Bailey is that he doesn’t seem to have a pitch he can consistently use to get hitters out.

    Until he gets that pitch, he will be vulnerable.

  14. As a younger (26) reds fan who was around when Encarnanion was around, I hate that I just saw a web-banner with Encarnacion on it. Let’s lift up Joey and Bruce and Cozart and Phillips and Frazier. No need for Encarnacion to be showing up on the blog…

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