2012 Reds / Game Thread

Game Thread: Reds vs. Rockies (2012.05.25)

Let’s imagine for a moment that the Reds had won six games in a row. Now, imagine further that you were a Loyal Citizen of Redleg Nation, and you desperately wanted to see the Reds win a seventh consecutive game.

I know all that is difficult to envision, but stick with me. If you really wanted that seventh win, you’d probably want Johnny Cueto on the mound, right? I mean, he’s the Reds best pitcher, and one of the best in the league.

You’d also probably want Cueto starting against a team that’s 16-27, had only won 3 of their last 13 games, and had just snapped a six-game losing streak in which they surrendered 43 runs. That seems like a good opponent for this dream sequence we’re imagining, right?

Okay, open your eyes.

Discuss the game right here. Go Redlegs.

157 thoughts on “Game Thread: Reds vs. Rockies (2012.05.25)

  1. comedy break?

    I sent a friend of mine, Mike the Lurker, (he reads here but doesn’t post) tonight’s scoreboard stumper, which was to name the four players whose last name begins with H to have won a league batting title since 1970…………

    Just to see if I was paying attention, he came back with this as his No. 4 guy: Willie Harris

    • Just to see if I was paying attention, he came back with this as his No. 4 guy: Willie Harris

      Hahahahaha. That name entered my consciousness when I heard the stumper in the car also.

  2. Pretty neat that the Cardinals game is commercial free tonight. There using the time showing live shots of Troops overseas and letting family members at the game in their own section exchange messages. Very very cool. Dam Dam Dam the Reds needed to make some hay right there. It ain’t over yet, the Reds like to win em late.

  3. @Racine Red: How would you know what kind of player Chris Heisey can be when he’s never been allowed to walk to the plate without looking over his shoulder? He’s never been an everyday player since he’s been called up. Let me repeat that: HE’S NEVER BEEN AN EVERYDAY PLAYER. We spent half a season watching Johnny Gomes stink it up in LF because he’s popular in the dugout and favorite of Dusty. But Heisey? We string together all his starts, as if they came interrupted, and start laying down definitive statements about what Heisey can or cannot do. Jay Bruce plays every day and can go on epic slumps, but if this kid doesn’t consistently rake in intermittent starts, he’s not a major league player.

    Guess what? The kid has raised his average from the dead while not knowing from day to day if he’s going to be in the lineup.

    Give me a break. You’d have run Bruce out of town 2 years ago.

    • @Racine Red: How would you know what kind of player Chris Heisey can be when he’s never been allowed to walk to the plate without looking over his shoulder?He’s never been an everyday player since he’s been called up.Let me repeat that:HE’S NEVER BEEN AN EVERYDAY PLAYER.We spent half a season watching Johnny Gomes stink it up in LF because he’s popular in the dugout and favorite of Dusty.But Heisey?We string together all his starts, as if they came interrupted, and start laying down definitive statements about what Heisey can or cannot do.Jay Bruce plays every day and can go on epic slumps, but if this kid doesn’t consistently rake in intermittent starts, he’s not a major league player.

      Guess what?The kid has raised his average from the dead while not knowing from day to day if he’s going to be in the lineup.

      Give me a break.You’d have run Bruce out of town 2 years ago.

      Because he does not walk. That’s why. He didn’t walk in the minors the way I expect a guy who’s going to be a LF should. Unless you think that’s going to change as a major league player, he’s not going to be good. Also, he hit all of 52 home runs in over 2000 at bats in the minors. Then he goes and hits 18 last year in about 300. What happened? Is he much better than he was, or was it a fluke? Probably, a fluke.

      Should he play over Gomes, Ludwick, etc? Sure. Can’t be much worse, and will probably be better.

      And, it’s a pretty lame comment to say that I’d have run Bruce out of town. How is Jay Bruce similar to Chris Heisey?

      • Because he does not walk.That’s why.He didn’t walk in the minors the way I expect a guy who’s going to be a LF should.Unless you think that’s going to change as a major league player, he’s not going to be good.Also, he hit all of 52 home runs in over 2000 at bats in the minors.Then he goes and hits 18 last year in about 300.What happened?Is he much better than he was, or was it a fluke?Probably, a fluke.

        Should he play over Gomes, Ludwick, etc?Sure.Can’t be much worse, and will probably be better.

        And, it’s a pretty lame comment to say that I’d have run Bruce out of town.How is Jay Bruce similar to Chris Heisey?

        This manager doesn’t believe in walking. You hit your way out of slumps according to the manager. Again, why do you think players on the Reds who don’t play everyday lack plate discipline? It’s not encouraged. I don’t think anything in Joey Votto’s minor league numbers suggested he was going to be the player he is either. All I’m saying is give the kid a chance. He hits sporadically playing part-time. My point about Bruce is that if he weren’t playing every day, he could look dreadful. What would Bruce’s role on this team have looked like if he only started 3 games a week? Moreover, Heisey has speed, is a good defender.

        You’re overreacting.

  4. Brantley musing about calling up a third catcher, so Meso could be used as a pinch hitter more often.

  5. Not checking Gonzalez at second has to be somewhat on Hanigan. He could have signaled to Arredondo to do so.

  6. For a team taught to swing early in the count, Betancourt’s pace must be maddening. Hitting this guy requires some patience.

  7. In between pitches, Betancourt acts like he had bugs crawling all over his body.

  8. @Richard Fitch: You’re right about the lack of discipline not being completely his fault. But I’d put it at least as much on the Reds organization as on the manager.

    But the bottom line is that they need a left fielder; preferably someone who already has plate discipline and power who Baker and the organization can’t ruin.

    Once again, though, I am not overreacting. What would I be overreacting to? I have thought Heisey wasn’t a regular LF for a long time. You may think I’m wrong, fine. Overreacting would be if I thought he was a good player and then based on one AB I thought he stunk. I haven’t ever thought he was a good player.

  9. Can someone tell me where the Reds rank in swinging at pitches out of the strike zone? I’m sure I don’t watch enough teams, but it sure seems like they are at least among the worst.

    • @Robert: Man, you need a drink.So what if they do fall out of first place?Check the calendar.

      I gonna grab a cold one and chill! I’ll see you guys tomorrow.

  10. I guess it had to come to an end sometime.

    ultimately the same problem is still there: the offense stinks in part because of so many hacktastic hitters, and there’s not much that can be done during the season about that. the organizational problem of not preaching on-base percentage needs to be fixed first.

  11. @RedLeg75: Thanks. Not quite as bad as I thought (the Rangers swing at more bad balls, for example). But it’s not good either.

    I’d be more concerned about the O-Swing, as I suspect that O-Contact doesn’t tell the story that you don’t hit well when you make contact with bad balls.

    • I’d be more concerned about the O-Swing, as I suspect that O-Contact doesn’t tell the story that you don’t hit well when you make contact with bad balls.

      The Reds being in the bottom third of O-Swing, I meant that they swing at pitches outside of the zone more than only ten teams. Top third would have been better wording, if that makes sense.

    • I haven’t had anything to drink and I’m willing to say that Willie Harris is a better hitter than Mike Costanzo.

      maybe, but at least Costanzo hit a few fly balls to get runners in. In similar situations, Harris was whiffing or hitting nubbers back to the pitcher or maybe, if he muscled up, an infield pop………. Last I heard, he was hitting well in the minors. But Costanzo was too, wasn’t he?

      Surely not saying either of them is worth much, though.

  12. You can’t expect the Reds to sweep every series. I look at it like this: The Rookies got the one game they were probably going to win in this series out of the way early. Time to start a new winning streak for the Redlegs. Here We Go Redlegs Here We Go!!! Go ahead and laugh, you know I meant Rockies. I misspelled the word on purpose to see if anyone noticed. Adios Amigos

  13. @Steve Mancuso: Have you taken mind-altering drugs?

    Seriously, it is an embarrassment that Costanzo is on the roster. This isn’t the ’62 Mets.

  14. Funny how no one was calling them Hacktastic hitters when they were on that HR binge. Just sayin’

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