Cincinnati (19-17) goes for the short series sweep in the afternoon finale against the New York Mets (20-17.)

Today’s pitching matchup features Reds right-hander, Mat Latos (2-2, 4.54 ERA) versus Mets knuckleballer, R.A Dickey (5-1, 3.65 ERA).

Latos has allowed just 5 hits and 1 run in his last two starts spanning 11 innings.

In his third season with the Mets, Dickey has a 3.14 ERA and 1.215 WHIP in 427.1 innings with New York. So far in 2012, six of Dickey’s seven starts have been quality starts.

335 Responses

  1. Johnu1

    R.A. Dickey is a name that ought to be the owner of a construction company.

    • msmith05

      R.A. Dickey is a name that ought to be the owner of a construction company.

      or porn

    • Sergeant2

      R.A. Dickey is a name that ought to be the owner of a construction company.

      I wouldn’t touch that with a ten foot R.A. Dickey construction pole.

  2. Josh M

    Cozart 6
    Stubbs 8
    Votto 3
    Phillips 4
    Bruce 9
    Ludwick 7
    Frazier 5
    Hanigan 2
    Latos 1

    Heisey sitting today, perhaps due to facing a knuckleballer.

  3. rfay00

    I hope Votto gets a good lick on a knuckleball early and sends it into that apple in center field.

  4. aml92

    today would’ve been a great time for Dusty to swallow his pride and try Bruce at the 4 hole. Dickey is holding RHB to .179/.228/.358 and LHB are clobbering him with .343/.418/.557.

    • aml92

      today would’ve been a great time for Dusty to swallow his pride and try Bruce at the 4 hole. Dickey is holding RHB to .179/.228/.358 and LHB are clobbering him with .343/.418/.557.

      which is actually quite odd because his career splits for RHB are .286/.339/.429 and LHB are .260/.328/.437.

  5. Steve Mancuso

    Dickey hasn’t always been a knuckleballer. Brantley was talking last night about when he played on the Rangers and was a teammate of Dickey’s there. Dickey was a hard thrower who had received a $1 million signing bonus. When the doctors x-rayed his elbow, they discovered that he didn’t have the ligament in his elbow (born without it) that is involved in Tommy John surgery. Dickey switched in 2005/2006 to the floater.

  6. Vottomatic84

    Today would also be a great day to run out to a lead and allow Latos to just focus on throwing strikes. If he can stay on the plate, he’s been good.

    Avoid those walks – this Mets lineup is not that dangerous!

    • Vottomatic84

      @Josh M:
      A little tongue in cheek comment, as I’m sure you knew. This team has struggled to score, especially early. Latos struggles with his control by nibbling at the play too often.

      Perfect day to get a lead, let Latos go right at the Mets and work deep into the game. With the Yankees’ lineup coming up, we don’t need a 5-inning/100 pitch outing and 3-4 innings of bullpen work.

  7. Johnu1

    @Vottomatic84: David Wright is apparently the one guy the Reds have decided won’t beat them. So they let Duda go free.
    Maybe we should expand our scope of conquest.

  8. Johnu1

    @Vottomatic84: Interesting on the bullpen. If you get long QS from the rotation, then the pen doesn’t get enough work.

    When you don’t, the pen is overworked.

    I always thought getting 7 from a starter was enough but the problem now is that every team has 12 or 13 pitchers and they all complain about getting enough work. Which way do we really want it?

  9. tgarretson82

    Wow quick work that first inning. Dickey looks to have the knuckleball working well.

  10. Vottomatic84

    @Johnu1: Great question, one to which I don’t necessarily have an answer.

    Common sense says you want guys like Chapman/Ondrusek/Marshall to pitch only when it matters, and enough to remain sharp, but not to have to pitch every night in EVERY game-winning/saving situations. In that case, sometimes you need your starter to go deep to save those arms from having to heat up on a day it isn’t necessarily needed.

    Those 3 to 4 bullpen guys who are considered second-tier would be left to pitch the “meaningless” innings that occur throughout the season during blowout wins or losses.

  11. msmith05

    Bailey and Latos couldnt hold a runner on to save their lives

    • Steve Mancuso

      msmith05: Bailey and Latos couldnt hold a runner on to save their lives

      You might be right about Latos, but Homer hasn’t given up a single SB all year. In fact, only one has been attempted.

  12. pinson343

    I hate watching knuckleball pitchers. The knuckleball was invented for failed pitchers to baffle good hitters.

  13. Johnu1

    Cedeno is the most dangerous hitter in the NL. WOn’t hit a ball 150 feet.

  14. Johnu1

    Cedeno is lucky Latos didn’t whack him in the head, running out of the safety lane.

  15. hermanbates

    Nice job by good Mat. I like good Mat. Better than average Mat or disappointing Mat.

  16. Sergeant2

    Ike Davis has a Home B.A. of .067 having a bit of a struggle at the plate it seems.

  17. hermanbates

    @Sergeant2: BUY LOW! The Reds should offer Ludwick and a bag of dust bunnies and then play Davis in left sometimes.

  18. Robert

    Reds don’t seem to score many runs early in games.

    I’d like to see the breakdown of runs scored by inning.

  19. Sergeant2

    I think one of my favorite plays in Baseball is the strike em out throw em out.

  20. dn4192

    ESPN did a story on the Mets starting pitcher. Went through a horrible childhood being sexually abused a number of times by friends and baby sitter and how it was through baseball that he was able to get his life back in order and then as stated earlier coming out of Univ of TN and pitched on the USA gold medal team was found to be missing a ligament in his arm. Great story to see him doing so well in NY and pitching well.

    • Robert

      ESPN did a story on the Mets starting pitcher.Went through a horrible childhood being sexually abused a number of times by friends and baby sitter and how it was through baseball that he was able to get his life back in order and then as stated earlier coming out of Univ of TN and pitched on the USA gold medal team was found to be missing a ligament in his arm.Great story to see him doing so well in NY and pitching well.

      They actually took that from his book that he wrote and came out this year. He is from Nashville and he’s been interviewed quite a bit by the local sports talk shows.

  21. RedLegHerrm

    He’s making pitches when he needs to. Doesn’t look like it’ll be a long day for him with his pitch count at 56 already.

  22. Bill Lack

    Interesting to note that Stubbs, who is constantly haranged by fans for poor performance, has an OPS of .015 less than our cleanup hitter…who seems immune from criticism.

    • earmbrister

      Interesting to note that Stubbs, who is constantly haranged by fans for poor performance, has an OPS of .015 less than our cleanup hitter…who seems immune from criticism.

      Nice observation …

      • zippy

        cleanup

        Cleanup hitter was playing injured for a couple weeks, and also has a track record of being a consistently good hitter, and doesn’t lead the world in striking out. I’m guessing that has something to do with the disparity in criticism.

      • zippy

        Cleanup hitter was playing injured for a couple weeks, and also has a track record of being a consistently good hitter, and doesn’t lead the world in striking out. I’m guessing that has something to do with the disparity in criticism.

        Oops. Was trying to respond to Bill Lack’s earlier comment.

      • Bill Lack

        Oops. Was trying to respond to Bill Lack’s earlier comment.

        Consistently good hitter? Last year was career best (OPS+ 119), last 6 before that, high of 105, low of 88 (100 is average). Better than Stubbs? Yes, but also more time in majors..

      • earmbrister

        Cleanup hitter was playing injured for a couple weeks, and also has a track record of being a consistently good hitter, and doesn’t lead the world in striking out. I’m guessing that has something to do with the disparity in criticism.

        Zippy: I’m guessing that your point has something to do with why Baker bats him cleanup …

  23. RedLegHerrm

    Yikes, Drew. Dickey’s a strike throwing machine right now. 33 strikes against only 8 balls.

  24. rfay00

    Was that a nice homer? I am stuck watching a play by play.

    • Jared

      Was that a nice homer? I am stuck watching a play by play.

      It was an awful homer.

      Just kidding. I’m watching play by play too and wouldn’t know.

  25. RedLegHerrm

    According to Fay, he “ripped it off the upper deck”

  26. hermanbates

    It was a shot. Drilled the base of the upperdeck on a line drive.

  27. RedLegHerrm

    Replay’s up. Good lord, that ball was smoked.

  28. Sultan of Swaff

    The Cowboy just called Hanigan the ‘perfect 2 hole hitter’ and explained why you need a high OBP guy who can hit the other way while not stealing bases in front of Votto. Maybe that idea is finally gaining some traction!!

  29. Jared

    @L.A.Red: I’m watching the mini version (without video links) so as not to draw too much attention. Better than nothing.

  30. zippy

    This Votto guy seems to be pretty good. Would have been nice to see Stubbs try to bunt – ESPECIALLY with two strikes –since he obviously wasn’t going to hit the ball by swinging.

    Now Cowboy is going on about Hanigan being a perfect #2 hitter because he gets on base and knows how to hit to the right side and you can hit-and-run with him. Seems like a few of us (especially one of us) have been making exactly the same point for quite some time now. Wonder if Dusty has ever been asked to explain why he refuses to at least experiment with this increasingly obvious move.

    • dn4192

      This Votto guy seems to be pretty good. Would have been nice to see Stubbs try to bunt – ESPECIALLY with two strikes –since he obviously wasn’t going to hit the ball by swinging.Now Cowboy is going on about Hanigan being a perfect #2 hitter because he gets on base and knows how to hit to the right side and you can hit-and-run with him. Seems like a few of us (especially one of us) have been making exactly the same point for quite some time now. Wonder if Dusty has ever been asked to explain why he refuses to at least experiment with this increasingly obvious move.

      Simple answer you don’t put slow catchers that high up in the batting order…. 😀

  31. rightsaidred

    So what is Dickie’s PC now?

    Over the years, the Reds have always struck me as woefully unprepared for the knucklers.

    • dn4192

      So what is Dickie’s PC now? Over the years, the Reds have always struck me as woefully unprepared for the knucklers.

      You might see one or two in an entire season…exactly how do you want them to prepare?

  32. zippy

    Sorry – didn’t mean to steal every else’s point there. I had a little trouble getting that comment posted.

  33. rfay00

    Latos just got a nasty factor of 100 (out of 100) on his fist pitch curveball

  34. Robert

    Guess what!

    Cowboy is talking about Hanigan being…

    Oh, someone already mentioned that?

    Crap.

  35. Sergeant2

    Lost the audio, then got it back AFTER Votto’s HR. is that the way it always goes or what.

  36. CP

    Well Dusty doesn’t like juggling the lineup, which is what he’d have to do if Mesoraco is getting 2/5 the starts.

    The thing is though, that Mesoraco will be a fine hitter there also. He’s producing similar to Drew Stubbs right now (actually has the same amount of BBs in just over 1/3 the ABs), and he’s hitting awful. If he gets some ABs, he’ll have a higher OBP, more power, and less strikeouts.

  37. rightsaidred

    @zippy: Dusty has noted that Hannigan is not an everyday player. This would mean less consistency (as opposed to what he is apparently trying to forge with his 1-5 spots which currently boasts a majority of sub-.250 hitters).

    Consistency is as cardinal a rule as L,L in the lineup.

  38. rightsaidred

    What happened to all Latos’ velocity? I knew he wasn’t throwing as hard but a sub-90 4 seamer is Arroyo-esque.

  39. RiverCity Redleg

    @rightsaidred: The frightening thing is that our next manager, David Bell, was quoted in the Louisville paper saying the exact same thing. He also overvalues “consistency” from the 1-5 hitters.

  40. Sergeant2

    With Cincinnati being a small market team its a forgone conclusion that the Reds can’t afford to sign him. The best thing to do is trade him for Starting pitching. Not so long ago that was the opinion of a lot of fans. I was not one of them I’m happy to say.

  41. Sultan of Swaff

    @CP: I’d like to See Mesoraco’s line drive % and his BABIP. I bet he’s due for some good luck.

  42. beroader

    Can there be an easier way to get on base than to be hit by a knuckleball?

  43. Bill Lack

    Amazing things found on Baseball Reference…’69 Tigers, SS for 247 PA, Ray Oyler (yes, that Ray Oyler) had an OPS+ of 20 and an OPS of .399, the other 2 SS were Dick Tracewski (240 PA) OPS + 43, OPS .475 and Tommy Matchick (244 PA) OPS+ of 60 and OPS of .534.

    Yikes…

  44. beroader

    Hanigan with the RBI double! We should totally keep hitting him eighth! :mrgreen:

  45. Vottomatic84

    Well, looks like we’ve found the solution to the hole in LF when the Reds oppose a knuckleballer. #Ludwick.

  46. L.A.Red

    Hannigan delivers….boy if Dusty would configure this lineup with his best hitters getting the most AB’s we might score runs consistently.

  47. Steve Mancuso

    This is the best I’ve seen Latos. Great control over his curve ball.

    Votto absolutely crushed that ball. A knuckle ball that didn’t knuckle.

    Latos gets the RBI.

  48. tgarretson82

    Wow, we are really getting to Dickey this inning.

  49. Sergeant2

    @Sergeant2: I was referring to Votto, should have mentioned that in my comment. Alright 3-zip Reds and more to come. C’mon Zack. Now Hannigan just scored 4-zip Go Reds go go go!

  50. RiverCity Redleg

    nice “live look-in” on gameday. It’s got to be tough to catch a knuckleballer if you’re not used to it.

  51. L.A.Red

    Our pitchers are helping their own cause the last 2 days.

  52. zippy

    Glad to see Stubbs learned from his first two miserable ABs and got that bunt down, putting a runner on base for Votto. Or… wait… did I just dream that?

  53. beroader

    Love the “Scout” quote on GameDay:

    “R. A. Dickey has thrown 81 pitches but has plenty left in the tank, with his fasball sitting at 83 over the past 10 pitches.”

    What insight with a knuckleball pitcher on the mound. 🙄

  54. tgarretson82

    Frazier is showing some real promise lately.

  55. Steve Mancuso

    Just saw that Baker did say he put Ludwick in the lineup today, in part, because “Plus, he’s the only guy on our team that’s hit (R.A.) Dickey pretty good.”

    Ludwick is 1-3 against Dickey since he’s been a knuckleball pitcher. Surely Baker isn’t counting the HR Ludwick hit in 2003 before Dickey became a knuckleball pitcher. Either way, it was a total of 6 at bats, half of which took place nine years ago.

    I’m fine with starting Ludwick to get him going (Baker’s other stated rationale). He has to DH this weekend vs. the Yankees. But it definitely shakes my confidence in his decision-making when I hear him basing the order on three or six at bats.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      Just saw that Baker did say he put Ludwick in the lineup today, in part, because “Plus, he’s the only guy on our team that’s hit (R.A.) Dickey pretty good.”

      Ludwick is 1-3 against Dickey since he’s been a knuckleball pitcher. Surely Baker isn’t counting the HR Ludwick hit in 2003 before Dickey became a knuckleball pitcher. Either way, it was a total of 6 at bats, half of which took place nine years ago.

      I’m fine with starting Ludwick to get him going (Baker’s other stated rationale). He has to DH this weekend vs. the Yankees. But it definitely shakes my confidence in his decision-making when I hear him basing the order on three or six at bats.

      I don’t think Dusty realizes the internet has been invented. He thinks he can just say anything and everybody will believe him. He has never heard of Baseball Reference or google.

  56. zippy

    What on earth goes through Stubbs’ mind, I wonder. He hasn’t been a very good hitter this year, didn’t come within a mile of putting the ball in play in his first two ABs, has the world’s best hitter behind him, and refuses to attempt a bunt. When he got to two strikes, I assume the corner infielders took a couple steps back, and a bunt was clearly his best chance to reach base. How does he not know that? And why does Dusty not DEMAND it of him? This team just refuses to make things easy on itself.

  57. Johnu1

    @Steve Mancuso: Could be some of it was based on some spring training ABs over the years. I doubt that any 1-for-3 would have a real impact on his decision.

  58. rfay00

    I would walk Wright no matter what…people don’t hit .400 for no reason

  59. earmbrister

    @Steve Mancuso: Could be also that Ludwick has 2720 AB’s in the ML’s versus 560 for Heisey …

  60. msmith05

    @rfay00: Leake??? LOL i just know whoever it was the announcers say the pitcher didnt even look over at him

  61. earmbrister

    LeCure is up, should we worry?

  62. pinson343

    Listening to the Mets radio broadcast, as mlb.com tv is blacked out for me. They say Bruce should have caught Duda’s line drive, that he took a bad route to the ball. How bad a route was it ?

  63. RC

    Apropos of nothing, my friends and I, while watching last night’s game, decided that Duda’s nickname has to be “Zippity”.

    That is all. Go Reds.

    • earmbrister

      Apropos of nothing, my friends and I, while watching last night’s game, decided that Duda’s nickname has to be “Zippity”.That is all. Go Reds.

      It was a wonderful day …

    • beroader

      Apropos of nothing, my friends and I, while watching last night’s game, decided that Duda’s nickname has to be “Zippity”.

      That is all.Go Reds.

      I have a friend whose last name is Duda. More often, people start singing Camptown Races when they hear his name.

  64. earmbrister

    @pinson343: Bruce initally thought he could make the spectacular catch, only to watch the ball get driven by him.

  65. RedLegHerrm

    What the hell happened there? Sheesh.

  66. Sultan of Swaff

    Not a good decision by Joey.

  67. pinson343

    Crap. What an opportunity wasted.

  68. rfay00

    I’m all about being aggressive, but man…

  69. Johnu1

    Berry should be drawn and quartered for sending Votto on a foul ball.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      Berry should be drawn and quartered for sending Votto on a foul ball.

      that’s the player not the coach. You do that on your own.

  70. RedLegHerrm

    Here’s hoping that buffoonery doesn’t bite us in the ass later.

  71. Bill Lack

    Hope that doesn’t come back and bite ’em in the ….2nd / 3rd none out and get nothing…

  72. zblakey

    Here is what I can stand about Dusty. When asked about his advice or strategy for facing the knuckleball pitcher today he says “wait on the fastball”.

    Reds firstbase coach Billy Hatcher throws a mean knuckler, does he throw batting practice? NO “Wait on the fastball” Dusty says again.

    Thru five innings Dickey has thrown a total of 12 fastballs to a total of 24 batters.

    I just don’t understand Dusty’s logic.

  73. rfay00

    The three coming up for Latos are hitting under .200, should be easy…I hope

  74. hermanbates

    I remember an at bat in 2010 Joey Votto had against the L.A. Dodgers in Los Angeles, facing Johnathan Broxton. The Reds were either down one or tied in the top 9th. Votto came up and quickly got down 0-2. He fouled off a bunch of balls, I’m talking six and seven foul balls outside of the balls he saw and the first two strikes. There was a look in Votto’s eyes, and although Broxton was dominant, Votto’s stare screamed “I’m getting a hit here, you fat, overhyped reliever.” And sure enough Votto blasted one back up the box. Last year I didn’t see that same stare at all. This year, though, he’s getting it back.

  75. Sergeant2

    Well that didn’t turn out as well as it could have. And whoever the prankster is who turned Jay Bruces calender to June, please turn it back to May.

  76. beroader

    Seeing the replay of Votto’s out, Murphy was fairly deep with his back to the plate when he caught the ball. However, he turned around and rifled it back to home and Votto was out by 10 feet.

  77. rfay00

    Like I said above, three guys under .200…a walk and a hit…C’MON Latos, trust your stuff

  78. RedLegHerrm

    Another ‘blah’ outing by Latos. Color me unimpressed with him thus far. Hasn’t resembled anything near a top of the rotation guy.

  79. RedLegHerrm

    @rfay00: That’s fine. He’s shown zero ability to go deep into a ballgame though which is the most troubling thing for me.

    • Sergeant2

      I was afraid that was going to bite…bases drunk, no outs…ugh.

      …bases drunk. I will be stealing that expression in the future. Good one, very good. 😀 😀

  80. Bill Lack

    It never ceases to amaze the lack of patience shown with young players…. do I wish Latos was Don Drysdale right now? Sure, but he’s fine and going to get better.

  81. earmbrister

    I guess Frazier can make the routine play on a pop up.

  82. Sergeant2

    The wheels haven’t fallen off yet, but they sure are getting awfully wobbly.

  83. rfay00

    At the end of the day, Latos will be critiqued the toughest amongst Reds viewers. Plain and simple logic there, you give four guys for one, people expect one heck of a player.

    So far, Latos has not been worth that much.

    I still think he will turn it around.

  84. earmbrister

    C’mon Hoover … Borderline call on the second ball.

  85. Bill Lack

    Yeah, we are..Phillips, historically, is an average offensive player. Last year, he was good offensively, but career? average…

    • zippy

      Yeah, we are..Phillips, historically, is an average offensive player. Last year, he was good offensively, but career? average…

      Well, I think we’re splitting hairs here. I say “good,” you say “good last year, but historically average.” The point is, he’s earned the right not to be criticized as a lousy hitter, and Stubbs hasn’t.

  86. CP

    So far, Latos reminds me of Cueto in 2010. Other than his first rookie season, he’s never really been this wild before. He just needs to attack more, trust his stuff, yada yada yada more buzz words/phrases.

  87. hermanbates

    I don;t know Latos’ previous MO on going deep…but he has flashed dominance. If he is going deep into games in august and september, I can deal with him only going six innings in May. I’m really excited about him. He’s been filthy and has showed the ability to strike out tons of guys. He’ll get more efficient. You can teach how to pitch. You can’t teach the nasty that Latos has.

  88. eastcoast redsfan

    That Hoover doesn’t suck.

  89. hermanbates

    I don’t know if anyone has noticed this yet, but the Reds’ bullpen has been something filthy this year.

    • Ima Funhaver

      I don’t know if anyone has noticed this yet, but the Reds’ bullpen has been something filthy this year.

      The Red Menace 🙂

    • mike

      I don’t know if anyone has noticed this yet, but the Reds’ bullpen has been something filthy this year.

      3rd best bullpen in baseball in value (WAR) behind only the NYY and Texas

      BEST bullpen in baseball in how well they have pitched looking at FIP

      2nd best bullpen in baseball looking at how they will perform the rest of the season using xFIP behing only Texas

      so, yup, they have been GREAT and look like they will continue to be great.

  90. tgarretson82

    GREAT JOB BY HOOVER! Especially in that circumstance.

  91. msmith05

    Sorry But i will be really P.O’ed if Hoover goes when Brey comes back

  92. CP

    Gotta love Hoover. Love the spots he’s hitting with his fastball.

  93. rfay00

    Hoover is going to be special…looks like ATL finally traded a decent pitcher.

  94. earmbrister

    @msmith05: I think that LeCure should be worried.

    Ultimately I hope that Chapman goes …

  95. rfay00

    Frazier is now hitting .302

    MVP MVP MVP

    jk

  96. RedLegHerrm

    @hermanbates: I agree with this. He’s definitely got the raw stuff and the flashes of brilliance have certainly been there. He knows what he was traded for and that certainly adds to the pressure. I’m hoping he can put it all together as the season progresses and I’m confident he can. My analysis was simply a snapshot of what we’ve seen from him so far.

  97. hermanbates

    @msmith05: Bray is still far away. The bigger question is Masset. Who goes? You have to send down LeCure and use Simon as your long man. Later in the year, when Bray does get back, if he’s finally healthy, maybe that’s when the Aroldis move happens. It’d be impossible to mess with what they got going on. But adding Masset over LeCure? That’s an upgrade. And our bullpen just gets better.

  98. rfay00

    I’d like to get Latos the win, maybe that’s a confidence booster?

  99. CP

    @RedLegHerrm: It’s just weird to think that Latos is younger than Jay Bruce, Zack Cozart, Homer Bailey, JJ Hoover, and Zack Cozart. These guys are all still “kids” to me. And with the exception of Chapman, no one else has the ability to strike players out like Latos. He’s going to be just fine.

  100. hermanbates

    @RedLegHerrm: No doubt, I was not trying to argue what you said one bit. Just offering my two cents that I’m still very excited about him.

  101. dc937

    T-Bone is about due for a hit, I’d say.

  102. msmith05

    George Costanza instead of Heisey there???? SMH

    • RedLegHerrm

      @Ima Funhaver: The Red Death? Where batters go to die?

      I think this is more appopriate for our leadoff spot.

  103. zippy

    First pitch, swings at a ball, makes an out. Is it fair to notice that?

  104. msmith05

    and Cozart fails again in the leadoff slot

  105. hermanbates

    I don’t see how Dusty can rationalize not using T-Bone in the starting lineup. If we can’t get him going, we’re done.

  106. Johnu1

    Cozart was clueless on that K. Same as last night. Maybe somebody could help him.

  107. earmbrister

    @msmith05: Please. Rotation paging Mr. Chapman.

    Just need Bray or Masset (isn’t Masset farther away?) to make it back and prove that they’re healthy.

    • Bill Lack

      @msmith05: Please.Rotation paging Mr. Chapman.

      Just need Bray or Masset (isn’t Masset farther away?) to make it back and prove that they’re healthy.

      Today’s paper said now Bray’s having some back problems…was a groin problem.

  108. hermanbates

    As an irrational user of Zack Cozart in fantasy, I demand he get’s moved back in the lineup. To number two. With Stubbs. Forfeit the first out, have two number 2 hitters.

  109. hermanbates

    That is the hardest 94 MPH fastball I’ve ever seen.

  110. hermanbates

    let’s see that backdoor slider.

  111. CP

    Reds #1 and #2 hitters have another nice game going: 0-7, 5Ks. #poorJoey.

  112. earmbrister

    @zippy: It would be fair to comment on a first pitch swing/out if it was indeed the first pitch. Who are you talking about?

  113. hermanbates

    He was cheating so badly on that fastball. Any reduced speed pitch would’ve embarrassed him.

  114. L.A.Red

    J.J. Hoover 9IP 1ER 3BB 7SO WHIP 0.78
    Todd Frazier 43AB 3HR 13H 3HR 6RBI .302BA .362OBP .674SLG

    VS.

    Juan Francisco
    57AB 12H 3HR 10RBI .211BA .246OBP .439SLG

    I’d say the Reds made the right deal even without Frazier getting his opportunity to shine, but the overall upgrade for the team is fantastic.

  115. dn4192

    Leadoff double no outs and we get nothing? Again good teams get those runs, average teams (say .500 teams) don’t…

    • Johnu1

      Leadoff double no outs and we get nothing?Again good teams get those runs, average teams (say .500 teams) don’t…

      Worse, having 2nd and 3rd and no out, not scoring. Today, we will rue that blunder.

  116. rfay00

    If the Mets get his first ER…that would just be awful

  117. RC

    I do not like Chapman being in this game. I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) this is the first time this year he’s been used on back-to-back days – not surprising, though, based on Dusty’s comment. But Chap did not fare well pitching multiple days in a row last year.

    Don’t like it one bit.

  118. RiverCity Redleg

    Not sure why they would use TBone in that situation. A RISP with 1 out and you sit on Cairo and Heisey. WTF?

  119. tgarretson82

    7th inning work for Chapman??? Is Dusty playing the situation?

  120. hermanbates

    walk, bloop, bloop. If there is one guy who can get himself out of this…it’s Arolids.

  121. Sultan of Swaff

    Jesus, Stubbs. No wonder he never lays out for balls hit in front of him.

  122. hermanbates

    Man…weak, weak, weak hits. But contact is all you need.

  123. rfay00

    This is getting awful…bad feelings all around

  124. Sultan of Swaff

    They are sooo gonnna squeeze here.

  125. RiverCity Redleg

    Errors have been bad lately.

  126. RedLegHerrm

    If you can’t strike Cedeno out here, we don’t deserve to win.

  127. msmith05

    Stubbs catches ball chapman out of inning unscathed

  128. Sergeant2

    For myself, I already know, but my cousin was wondering who’s T-Bone?

  129. CI3J

    Looks like Dusty was trying to shove it in our collective faces that Chapman is going to be a reliever this year and that FINAL!

    But all he ended up proving is Chapman isn’t really suited for relieving since he definitely seems less sharp when pitching on consecutive days.

    Basically, Dusty proved himself wrong and all of us who want Chapman starting right. But Dusty would never admit that, would he?

  130. zippy

    I wonder if Stubbs was distracted by an internal conversation about whether he should ever attempt another bunt.

  131. rfay00

    Even the best things to come to an end…

  132. tgarretson82

    Come on Missile. Lets keep this game tied.

  133. CP

    @al: As long as he doesn’t give up a hit/BB, it’ll be unearned.

  134. tgarretson82

    Gamecast has Torres On Deck and In The Hole. Have the Mets figured out how to clone baseball players?

  135. rfay00

    Gameday is saying the Chapman is throwing 93 MPH changeups…

  136. CP

    @CP: whoops. I thought bases were loaded. As long as he doesn’t give up a hit, it’s unearned.

  137. al

    i don’t understand. if chapman pitched last night, why not ondrusek today? and why was lecure warming?

  138. CP

    @CP: I’m wrong. It’s officially unearned now. 😆

  139. rfay00

    If that holds as an earned run, then we should trade Stubbs to prove a point…not sure what that point is though

  140. RedLegHerrm

    Looooong inning. Let’s get that one back.

  141. earmbrister

    I cursed Chapman today. My Mets loving employee was talking about how nasty Chapman was last nite. I HAD to bring up the 0.00 ERA. We proceeded to pull up his stats, and discuss how insane they were (and still are).

    Just needed to take responsibility for this.

    Meanwhile, it would appear that Chapman, as well as Cueto, have SOME human traits.

    • RedLegHerrm

      Drew Stubbs up- going for K #4 on the day!

      And for goat of the game honors! (which he may have already locked up)

  142. msmith05

    Stubbs better leadoff with a HR to make up for that play in the outfield

  143. rfay00

    It didn’t hold as an earned run, 0.00 ERA still!!!!!!!!!!!

  144. Sultan of Swaff

    Chappy bailed out by the ump, but we’ll take it.

    Yes, this outing highlights why it’s not a slam dunk he is more suited to a bullpen role.

  145. al

    whew. ondrusek is warming now. i was starting to worry that he wasn’t available.

  146. Sergeant2

    Chapman won’t be available until Sunday vs the Yankees. Can’t wait for that series to start.

  147. vared

    Marty raises a good point – the Yankees are loaded with lefties and Chapman is probably done for 2 nights now.

    • pinson343

      Marty raises a good point – the Yankees are loaded with lefties and Chapman is probably done for 2 nights now.

      Yep, that’s really unfortunate. And Marshall is likely to pitch for the 2nd day in a row.

  148. tgarretson82

    @Robert: WHY HE SHOULD NOT BE AT THE TOP OF THE LINEUP! I know Dusty doesnt like to clog the bases, especially in front of Votto, but come on!

  149. pinson343

    Just had trouble getting on to RLN. Anyway after taking the 4-0 lead, 3 misplays on defense, a baserunning blunder, giving it away. The bullpen will have to come thru here.

  150. rfay00

    If were gonna shut him down until Sunday, why not have him go another today?

  151. tgarretson82

    Cant let this one slip away, especially going into the Yankee stadium this weekend.

  152. zippy

    I’ll continue to say it: the worst part of Stubbs’ game today is that he’s attempted zero bunts. The guy who should be bunting regularly almost never attempts to do it, and the guys who shouldn’t be bunting are asked to do it regularly.

  153. Sergeant2

    29,943 showed up for today’s titanic struggle.

  154. earmbrister

    David Wright’s OBP is .510 (before this AB).

    Is that considered good?

  155. CP

    Nah, the worst part of Stubbs’ game is he no longer walks. Though he doesn’t deserve all the blame. How does Cozart continue to fly under the radar? His OBP is now sub-.300.

    The Reds have one of the worst 1-2 combos in all the majors. It would probably be THE worst if the Brewers’ duo wasn’t so hilariously bad this season.

  156. rfay00

    This has turned into the Mets game…sad

  157. al

    why would you let david wright beat you at this point? he’s hitting like he’s ted williams in his prime.

  158. Sultan of Swaff

    Horrible pitch choice on 2-2 by Ondru.

  159. rfay00

    The Mets bullpen is outdoing the Reds…

  160. tgarretson82

    Look what happens when people GET ON BEFORE WRIGHT, Dusty. People have to pitch to him.

  161. RedLegHerrm

    This would be the most frustrating loss of the year IMO if this holds.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      This would be the most frustrating loss of the year IMO if this holds.

      Are you kidding? Frustrating yes, but there have been far worse. The game against the Braves come to mind.

      • AnnapolisHoosier

        Are you kidding?Frustrating yes, but there have been far worse. The game against the Braves come to mind.

        I’m an idiot. I missed the THIS YEAR part. Sorry 😯

  162. Sergeant2

    Marty said that ball was right down Broadway, screaming to be hit.

  163. Robert

    Wow, this is one of those games where you will wonder what happened.

    The Reds have basically given this game away.

  164. earmbrister

    We pitched around Wright yesterday.

    Ondrusek grooved that ball right down the middle, and Wright just smoked it.

  165. rfay00

    0.56 ERA for Ondrusek now…he sucks (trying to make light out of this situation)

  166. kywhi

    It took a total team effort to blow this 4-0 lead, top to bottom. Let’s hope this isn’t how the rest of the stay in New York City goes.

  167. zippy

    My guess for top of the 9th:

    Ludwick strikes out, Frazier pops up, Hanigan singles, Meso pinch runs for Hanigan, and then Ondrusek is left in the game to bunt. Game over.

    • msmith05

      The game isn’t over.

      yeah it is…look who is up in 9th

    • msmith05

      The game isn’t over.

      Still dont think so???

  168. Josh M

    Gentlemen, I present to you the New York Bloops.

  169. Bumbum

    PLease Fire Crusty after this game! I will be very happy to see it. Well , at least I can dream about. Today, they play to LLLLLLL not to WWWWW and Crusty did help them to accomplish it by leaaveing Latos in too long and brought in the inexperience JJ Hover. Crussty needs his head check to see if thereis anything in his brain-Oh may be Dust—-Y. 😆

  170. Sultan of Swaff

    Another non-layout by Stubbs. Hey dude, you’re the captain of the outfield, act like it.

  171. Sultan of Swaff

    Well, that’s it for me. Night, boys.

  172. al

    well. i didn’t see that coming. good mound visit from price there.

  173. beroader

    This is one of those games where the momentum just SWUNG. It seemed like once Bruce misplayed that ball and they scored two runs, everything suddenly went their way.

  174. Bumbum

    @CP: It was over when Crusty sucks his toothpicks!

  175. rightsaidred

    Ondru, like Cueto, had to show he was human one of these days.

    I don’t want the defensen and bullpen to overshadow the true culprit today (and the past several days) – Spots #1 and #2 in this lineup. Why?

  176. Robert

    What sucks even more is that Ondrusek and Chapman will not be available until Sunday.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      What sucks even more is that Ondrusek and Chapman will not be available until Sunday.

      Why? Maybe not on Friday but I don’t see why they couldn’t pitch on Saturday.

  177. beroader

    I freaking hate Ronny Cedeno! He has zero production against every other team but the Reds.

  178. Robert

    Price must of told Logan to groove one so everyone can go home early.

  179. Sergeant2

    I still have my broom nearby, just in case. Crap, and the Mets just scored another run as I type this. Crap crap crap and a 3 run HR before I can hit send. I just put the broom back in the closet. It could get ugly at Yankee Stadium.

  180. rfay00

    By far the most heart breaking loss of the year.

  181. RC

    While there were some decisiions I’d have done differently today, it’s hard for me to lay this one on Dusty. Two guys who hadn’t given up a run all year coughed it up today.

    FISHDO.

    • AnnapolisHoosier

      While there were some decisiions I’d have done differently today, it’s hard for me to lay this one on Dusty.Two guys who hadn’t given up a run all year coughed it up today.

      FISHDO.

      Exactly. I hate Dusty too, but he didn’t lose the game today.

  182. Bumbum

    @Ima Funhaver: Even those below . 🙄 200 hitters could hit the Red Pitchers today so what else can I say about! Fire the Pitching Coach or Crusty

  183. rightsaidred

    @Robert: Is it unfair to hate Bray and Masset for being injured?

  184. Ima Funhaver

    @rightsaidred:
    I’d say that kicking the ball around in the field and screwing around on the bases are candidates for the #1 culprit as well.

  185. earmbrister

    Cedeno smoked that homer on the first pitch.

    Just saying.

  186. kywhi

    @Bumbum:

    Yours has to be the most ridiculous comments of the day. Hoover’s work was a bright spot, and Baker had to try to get some innings out of Latos. Now we go to Yankee Stadium with a spent bullpen because Latos didn’t come through when needed and because we didn’t score with men on second and third and no one out. Pretty much simple as that.

  187. dn4192

    Losing happens, but again this team shows me it just isn’t very disciplined in executing things like running the bases, moving runners over and making plays in the field. We are what we are and that is a average franchise that will sit around .500 all season.

  188. Prime

    Well at least we will likely save the bullpen an inning of work. Looks like we won’t have to pitch the ninth.

  189. earmbrister

    Cueto against the Braves. Chapman and Ondru today. Both in the beloved get away games.

    What’s the saying? There are no sure things in sports.

  190. rightsaidred

    @Ima Funhaver: Most definitely, but the #3 and #4 hitters had two singles, a double and a homer and that netted only the obligatory one RBI.

    The pivotal factors were something else today, but this team is constipated offensively because they can’t get anything going with regard to #1 or #2.

  191. Bumbum

    @kywhi: Yep- Crusty was so bright that the Reds Got L instead of W. KYWh Latos was not sharp at the end of the 5th, may be you did not have your glasses on or may be you drink tooo much Crusty’ s cool aid and ran to the bathroom all day.

  192. kywhi

    @Bumbum: Whatever. Not going to try to argue with someone who may by a 13-year-old.

  193. Bumbum

    @dn4192: You are right- I wonder what the heck happened in Votto’s head to rum in that situation. He was thrown out for a foot! They would have only one out instead of two outs and killed everything. Frazier had a double and no bunt for him to third! The Mets squeezed and bunted- The Reds manager sucksed His toothpicks and clap the hands. No creative work form Crusty the Knuckle head! 😈

    • dn4192

      @dn4192: You are right- I wonder what the heck happened in Votto’s head to rum in that situation. He was thrown out for a foot! They would have only one out instead of two outs and killed everything. Frazier had a double and no bunt for him to third! The Mets squeezed and bunted- The Reds manager sucksed His toothpicks and clap the hands. No creative work form Crusty the Knuckle head!

      Why is it on Dusty? Votto chose to run, Stubbs decided to slack off and not make the catch, the hitters didn’t get Frazier in and on and on. Again we are just not a very smart/disciplined team.

  194. pinson343

    After taking the 4-0 lead, that was as badly as I’ve seen the Reds play this season. Actually, it’s hard to imagine worse.
    I think we’ll be seeing Milton soon.

  195. dn4192

    This game was lost by the players. It’s up to them to make the plays and even the mighty Joey Votto made a bone headed play. I am all for holding Dusty accountable, but this game today falls on the players…

    • al

      This game was lost by the players.It’s up to them to make the plays and even the mighty Joey Votto made a bone headed play.I am all for holding Dusty accountable, but this game today falls on the players…

      I’m one of the biggest Dusty bashers on this site, and I have to agree with you on this one. Aside from changing the lineup, I can’t think of anything that Dusty did during the game that was bad.

  196. pinson343

    Although the Reds blew a 4-0 lead, I wouldn’t call this the toughest loss of the season in terms of being a heartbreaker.
    They played too badly for it to be a heartbreaker.

  197. pinson343

    Today’s wear and tear on the bullpen was bad news. The Yankees are loaded with dangerous LHed bats, and Chapman might not be available until Sunday.

  198. Sergeant2

    There’s some kind of Voodoo hoodoo going on with this team. Pins being stuck in dolls kind of stuff.

  199. Johnu1

    @Sergeant2: It’s known as Ronny Cedeno. I warned everyone … realities of Cedeno will forever haunt this team.

  200. EdEddandEdWerder

    They’re 19-18.

    We shouldn’t expect much more.

  201. al

    sometimes things don’t go your way and you lose. david wright is having the best start for a RH hitter in more than a decade, and you give him credit. the mets are a pretty good team right now.

    that said, this was the reds game to win. these are the inexcusables:

    guys on 2nd and 3rd, no outs, fail to score.
    man on 2nd, no outs, fail to score.
    another unearned run (3 in two days).
    3 run HR on a meatball to ronald cedeno.

    if they score those two runs, don’t give up an unearned run, and keep cedeno in the park it’s 6 to 6 at worst (assuming cedeno got a hit and scored the guy from third, to be generous).

    also, having cozart and stubbs at the top of the order is killing us right now.

    • RiverCity Redleg

      also, having cozart and stubbs at the top of the order is killing us right now.

      0-9 with 5 Ks. Is that bad?

  202. Johnu1

    A quarter’s worth of analysis. We need to stop chewing on our balls over this game. Mets hitters fouled off more 2-strike pitches than the Reds have SEEN all season.

  203. earmbrister

    @EdEddandEdWerder: Yeah, they’re 19-18, but that comes after a 4-8 start, when 3/4 of the team was in a funk.

    They’ve been 15-10 since. If they win at that clip thru the rest of the season, they’re at 94 wins.

    With 125 games left, there is a lot of baseball yet to be played.

    Did I mention that today’s game was a study in frustration?

  204. earmbrister

    Votto, boneheaded running play.

    Cozart, Stubbs, and Bruce hitless. A combined 0-13 with 8 STRIKEOUTS.

    Stubbs off in the field.

    Latos average.

    Chapman human.

    Ondrusek poor.

    Frustrating loss.

  205. Johnu1

    @Sergeant2: Bloop hits hurt when the catchable ones aren’t caught. I hate to say it … but you don’t win games if you don’t catch that ball.

  206. TheFlick80

    Long time fan, first time poster here. Tough loss, but there are lots of reasons to be optimistic. The bullpen was due for a rough one, they can’t be perfect all the time. Our rotation is looking better all around lately (Cueto’s not going to repeat that outing from a few days ago many times), Votto’s heating up. Phillips is swinging better. Bruce is Bruce. Frazier is looking better the last 2 days. We do need a shakeup in the batting order as many a Reds fan knows. But I think we’re in a great position to make a late May through June run and take the lead in the division. Losses like today happen. The boys will have a short memory and we’ll move on. Go Redlegs!!