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More Marshall? (Update)

Update: Sean Marshall has signed a three-year extension through the 2015 season with the Reds according to Mark Sheldon. Terms not yet released.

An earlier report by Paul Marosi has been confirmed by Sean Marshall himself (through John Fay) that the Reds and Marshall are nearing completion of a deal that would extend his time in Cincinnati beyond this year.  The deal may be announced as early as tomorrow.

Dan Mennella speculates that a three-year, $15 million contract might be the starting point for negotiations.

If Marshall and his representatives at Meister Sports Management are amenable to signing an extension now – and reading the tea leaves from Jocketty’s comments, they might be – they’ll likely use the three-year, $15MM deal lefty Scott Downs signed with the Angels last offseason as a starting point in negotiations. And in light of the big contracts relievers have been securing this offseason, an annual average salary of $5MM is probably modest, so it could be bumped up from there.

The Reds traded Travis Wood and two other players for Marshall back in December.

23 thoughts on “More Marshall? (Update)

  1. I graded this trade as a D in the Redleg Nation poll. If the Reds can lock Marshall up for a decent rate before he hits the free agent market, I’d bump that up to the B/C range.

  2. @Greg Dafler: I had it as an F, but with the caveat that if we could lock him up it would be more palatable. Glad to hear it. I also think the certainty of having him and Bray around long term will shortcircuit the arguments for putting Chapman in the ‘pen.

  3. Hopefully this gets the ball rolling on the contract extension front.

    Next up: Dat Dude for 5 years, 55 million.

    Then Mr. Votto for 5 years, 85 million.

    Hey, you can hope…. Hopefully Big Bob buys into the idea that revenue is going to increase this year and sends a goodwill message early to encourage even more revenue.

  4. Hello everyone

    First time using this site. Reds fan for 40 years and love the input i see on here. Has anyone heard the rumor that Hanley Ramirez is being looked at by Jockety in exchange for Chapman, a position player and a couple of minor leaguers?

  5. If they sign him to an extension…I’d move it from a D trade to a B trade. Marshall would also likely be the closer next year, and at an affordable rate.

  6. I’d lock up BP at 4 years, 40-45M, but there’s no way votto is gonna take 85 mil. He wouldn’t give a hometown discount before he hit arbitration, there’s no way he will when he’s on the precipice of free agency. The starting point will probably be 8 years, 160 million.

    • I’d lock up BP at 4 years, 40-45M, but there’s no way votto is gonna take 85 mil. He wouldn’t give a hometown discount before he hit arbitration, there’s no way he will when he’s on the precipice of free agency. The starting point will probably be 8 years, 160 million.

      I could see that, but there are two problems with your assessment:

      1. Phillips has said he won’t give a discount in his new contract:

      Reds second baseman Brandon Phillips told John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer that he hopes to stay in Cincinnati, where he established himself as an MLB star. Just don’t expect him to give the Reds a hometown discount if they want to talk extension this offseason.

      “No bueno,” he said. “This is my last contract. There’s no homeboy hookup. That ain’t going to work. I want to be paid what I’m worth.”

      The Reds can sidestep questions about Phillips’ long-term role on the team by exercising their $12MM option for the 30-year-old’s services in 2012. Though Phillips told MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon this month that it would feel like “a slap in my face” if the Reds pick up the option without talking long-term deal, that remains a perfectly viable option for the team.

      That means 11 million is probably optimistic. He’s probably looking for something more along the lines of 13 million. But if you add on one extra year, he might be willing to come down a bit for the security.

      2. Votto probably won’t sign that long.

      Votto, for whatever reason, has commitment problems:

      When Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki signed a contract this week to keep him in Colorado for the next 10 years, Reds first baseman Joey Votto couldn’t believe it.

      Arbitration eligible for the first time and the reigning National League MVP, Votto could soon have to consider whether he wants to make a long-term commitment to the Reds. It was certainly not an answer he was ready to provide on Saturday after his arrival to Redsfest at the Duke Energy Center.

      “I don’t know as far as beyond three years,” Votto said. “I think it’s a real unfair question to ask. This is not me saying I don’t want to be here. But last year was a difficult year for me. This year was a better year for me. It’s really hard for me to think three years ahead, five years ahead, seven years ahead or 10 years ahead.”

      Tulowitzki had three years left on his current contract but signed a seven-year extension worth $134 million.

      “When Tulowitzki signed that 10-year contract, I was blown away,” Votto said. “I can’t imagine seeing myself 10 years from now saying, ‘I want to be here.’ It’s an overwhelming thing to ask a young person like myself and say, ‘Here’s a lot of money. Be happy with this over 10 years, deal with it.'”

      I think 5 years would probably be the tops of what he would commit to. 5 years, 100 million?

      This is just speculation on my part based on what has been said/happened in the past. We’ll see what transpires.

  7. @Red3610: Welcome to the fold. While I could easily believe Ramirez isn’t happy about playing third and wants a trade, I’m not convinced the Reds are a good fit. To do that trade, the Reds would be conceding that Votto and (probably) Phillips are done here. There just isn’t enough money for all of them. I think management is in the mindset of exploring extensions for Votto and Phillips and won’t get around to trade considerations until those talks reach a conclusion.

  8. ALways felt like there would have to be something like this in the works. Trading away a back fo the rotation starter for one year of a middle reliever seemed odd. But with a 3 year deal in addition to the reasonable option on Madson for next year, the back of our bullpen is solid for two years and Marshall gives us a viable option at closer if we can’t afford/don’t want to re-sign Madson after that. If everyone plays to their level we could have the best bullpen in baseball over the next two years. Rhodes/Coco were so vital to the 2010 club. If we can get that back it could mean big things.

  9. Sultan of Swaff (great icon there btw).

    You are right in that the Reds wouldn’t have enough money for all thos high dollar players. Good move signing Marshall. He looks like he is “locked in” now and can give the Reds that late inning comfort level we haven’t had i.e. inconsistency from Masset, injuries, etc…

  10. @eric nyc: I believe Madson’s option is a mutual option. So, if he has another great year, he’s not picking up the option.

    @Red3610: where did you hear that rumor?

    • Doesn’t Madson lose money for this season if he declines the mutual option?

      @eric nyc: I believe Madson’s option is a mutual option. So, if he has another great year, he’s not picking up the option.

      @Red3610: where did you hear that rumor?

  11. I’d spend the money on Votto and cut Phillips loose.

    The most unique part of BP’s game is his defense, and while I love watching that every night, it’s not worth the big bucks over several years.

    • I’d spend the money on Votto and cut Phillips loose.

      The most unique part of BP’s game is his defense, and while I love watching that every night, it’s not worth the big bucks over several years.

      Half the time Phillips is fielding balls the SS and 1B typically are responsible for, but can’t get to. He holds the Reds’ infield together like no other 2B in baseball.

      • Half the time Phillips is fielding balls the SS and 1B typically are responsible for, but can’t get to.He holds the Reds’ infield together like no other 2B in baseball.

        Agreed. Phillips is extremely valuable, and you cannot discount the number of runs he saves. Basically, this is the way it stacks up:

        Phillips

        Otherworldly defense
        Solid offense
        Very fan friendly
        Will sign for cheaper than Votto
        Is 5 years older, so may begin to decline

        Votto

        Otherworldly offense
        Solid defense
        Likes his privacy
        Will be more expensive than Phillips
        Should theoretically just be entering his prime

        Lots of things to consider. Can we just lock them both up and call it a day?

  12. Edit: Ok, I actually checked, turns out Phillips is younger than I thought and Votto is older than I thought. 3 years difference.

    Still, the thought is Phillips SHOULD begin to decline sooner than Votto. And at a position like 2B where his quickness and range play a huge role, that could be a factor. (Think Barry Larkin in his last few years here.)

  13. I’d have accepted Phillips’ option this year, as the Reds did. The question to me is whether we should commit $12 million plus per year starting in 2013 to a 32-year old second baseman.

    His stolen base skill has diminished to the point where he should not be attempting steals. 30 SB out of 51 attempts over the past two years.

    He did have a career-best (BABIP-aided) OBP of .353 last year but his 6-year average with the Reds is .331 which is OK but not great.

    I’m not saying he’s bad, or that we need a better 2B. Only that by 2013 we should have a replacement for him who is just about as good but costs $12 million less per year. I’m worried about a long-term, expensive contract for someone who becomes an ordinary 2B.

  14. What if the key variable for the Reds to re-sign Joey Votto to a 6-year, $120 million contract is to not resign Brandon Phillips? That’s a very easy one to me.

    • What if the key variable for the Reds to re-sign Joey Votto to a 6-year, $120 million contract is to not resign Brandon Phillips? That’s a very easy one to me.

      Yes and yes. If cutting Phillips has anything to do with keeping Votto, you have to do it.

  15. I think the Ramirez rumors come from the fact that the Reds need an upgrade at SS, and the thought that Ramirez won’t play 3B. There was also somewhat of a belief that the Marlins couldn’t afford Ramirez at $17 million. I was of the opinion that the Reds would be a good fit two years ago because of the monetary issues. Now, I don’t think that’s the case.

  16. IF the Reds wouldn’t/couldn’t sign Oswalt (or Beltran, if you prefer) b/c of money, what would make anyone think they’d take on Ramirez’s salary?

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