2012 Reds

Do the Reds Still Have Money to Spend?

Red Reporter has an excellent chart detailing the Reds’ current 2012 payroll. They currently have the team at $79.8M. I won’t try to improve on that except to say we have now learned that Madson is being paid only $6M in 2012 with a team option or $2.5M buyout for 2013 (thus the initial $8.5M that was reported).

That gives us a number of $77.3M

At the end of last season, the Jocketty said payroll would go up. The assumed number was $85M.

Do the Reds still have $8M lying around? If so, what should they do with it? As it stands, right now, the Reds roster is nearly set:

Starting Lineup: Mesoraco, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, Cozart, Heisey*, Stubbs, Bruce

Rotation: Latos, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Arroyo, Chapman?

Bullpen: Madson, Marshall, Masset, Bray, Ondrusek, Arrendondo, LeCure

Bench: Cairo, Frazier, Francisco, Hanigan, Janish

That’s actually 26 players. Janish might hang out in Louisville and Chapman might log some time there as well, but that’s a pretty set roster. We all know there is a perceived need for a better backup at short and for another OF, but is that really what the Reds should so with their money?

The Reds have made it extremely clear that they are all in for this year, and I am totally happy with that mindset. But frankly, I’m at a loss here. The only week cog on the bench is Janish (Cairo will turn to dust eventually, but he’s going to be on the team). The lineup is what it is, and there’s nothing better than Heisey out there for left. The bullpen might be the best in the league now. I’m not thrilled with Arroyo on the back end, but that rotation is pretty solid.

So I’m putting the question to you Nation. What should the Reds do? Should they spend what’s left on a couple of role players, as seems to be the plan right now? Should they maybe make a run at Oswalt and try to further sure up the rotation? Is there a trade you think could get done if the Reds are willing to take on some money? These are fun questions to ask, and no doubt Jocketty will provide us with answers in the coming days. Either way, this offseason has been a blast. I’m intrigued to see where else it takes us.

131 thoughts on “Do the Reds Still Have Money to Spend?

  1. @hermanbates: wiat, what? all i can find on gardner is that he was paid $.5mil last year, and is arb eligible for the first time this year.

    so what’s the deal with his contract?

  2. @al: I didn’t do any research, when i offered up the trade for gardner earlier in the thread @TC said his contract was bad news, and i took him for his word. apparently it’s not a bad contract, thus reinforcing my believe that this would be an unbelievable move to pull off

  3. Yeah, that was my fault. (Blush) Somehow I was looking at Curtis Granderson when I wrote that. I’m not as familiar with AL rosters.

    After (Ahem) careful reconsideration, I am now in favor of Brett Gardner.

  4. Is Cespedes TOTALLY out of the question? I mean it’s a crazy long shot, but before we signed Chapman wouldn’t you have said the exact same thing about him? I don’t know…just thinking out loud. I’m not in favor of it. I still don’t like the Chapman signing. But it’s something to talk about.

  5. Lots of interesting stuff. Just a couple of things. Oswalt is not worth $8M. He is in steep decline and hits 35 in August. He’s injury prone and very hittable.

    Getting Mike Stanton from the Marlins would take a whole lot more than Aroldis Chapman. The Marlins have laughed at offers for Stanton.

  6. I’m not convinced that Heisey’s poor ML stats against lefties are just a matter of sample size. I know he had good numbers against lefties in the minors.
    But he’s susceptible to change ups off the outside corner, and he’s gotten a steady diet of those from major league pitchers.

    He can adjust, but until he does, he’s not going to hit ML lefties.

    • I’m not convinced that Heisey’s poor ML stats against lefties are just a matter of sample size.I know he had good numbers against lefties in the minors.
      But he’s susceptible to change ups off the outside corner, and he’s gotten a steady diet of those from major league pitchers.

      He can adjust, but until he does, he’s not going to hit ML lefties.

      Yeah, maybe. I’ve heard this before, from others. The thing is, righties can throw changeups on the outside corner too, right? Or curves/sliders on the outside corner (if you’re talking about pitches that break away from him). It seems like if it’s a matter of a certain pitch, a righty could throw it too.

      The only thing a righty can’t do (that a lefty can) is release the ball from the first-base side of the rubber.

      Anyway, I’m just saying I remain confused by Heisey’s reverse splits. I’m not yet convinced it’s real (and I’m hoping it’s not).

      • Dan: The thing is, righties can throw changeups on the outside corner too, right? Or curves/sliders on the outside corner (if you’re talking about pitches that break away from him).It seems like if it’s a matter of a certain pitch, a righty could throw it too.

        Curves/sliders on the outside corner from a RHed pitcher give Heisey a lot of trouble too, he strikes out a lot on those pitches. The one pitch you never want to throw to Heisey is an inside fastball, and for some reason righties throw him that pitch. I don’t know if lefties throw it as often. I also have no idea whether turning on an inside fastball is easier against a righty than a lefty, but it is how Heisey makes a living.

      • Dan: Anyway, I’m just saying I remain confused by Heisey’s reverse splits.I’m not yet convinced it’s real (and I’m hoping it’s not).

        Agreed. And even if Heisey has had a “real” problem with lefties, he can adjust.

  7. If Hanigan would have gotten the Seth Smith deal done, it would have happened by now. Letting go of Hanigan at this point isn’t a good idea, though. We really don’t know what to expect from Meso over a full season, so getting rid of a guy who can handle our largely inconsistent pitching staff right now isn’t good timing.

    Holding on to the cash for deadline deals isn’t a bad idea. Problem is, I feel that teams truly committed to a playoff run find the $ in July even if they nearly tapped themselves completing the roster in the spring.

    Giving away games in April and May is still giving away games. Who knows what big deals other teams will make to improve themselves down the stretch, or which teams will flat out play better in the 2nd half. If you can find a high OBP LF who can help you from the beginning of April, I think you have to get him.

    Deadline deals usually only work when the player being traded for is top flight. Teams usually end up wasting resources unless they think big, like Milwaukee did with Sabbathia.

  8. @secondguessingfanbase: It isn’t that simple though. the rumor i heard, courtesy of mlbtraderumors.com, was that the rays would send a pitcher to rockie for seth smith and wed flip hanigan to the rays for smith then. the rockies already signed ramon hernandez. i believe, unless our bullpen or bailey is involved, it will need to be a three team trade. but perhaps im wrong.

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