2012 Reds

Will CoCo Return?

Who knows? What’s evident is that the Reds are still in the running:

There could be some movement, one way or another, in the next few days on free agent closer Francisco Cordero. The Reds are still in the running.

“We’re still talking with [Cincinnati] and a couple of other clubs,” Cordero’s agent, Bean Stringfellow, said on Tuesday. “We’re making progress on a lot of fronts. Multi-year contracts are definitely involved.

“The Reds are involved and are still interested in bringing him back. I am talking with them on a regular basis.”

Key words above: Multi-year contracts are definitely involved.

If the Reds sign CoCo to a multi-year deal, I can’t see any scenario where they won’t regret that decision.

I like Cordero, and I don’t have any objection at all to him returning to Cincinnati…at the right price. Dumb contracts given to Bronson Arroyo and Scott Rolen have already caused budget problems; why add to the mess?

I’m afraid that this isn’t going to end well. Hopefully, my suspicions will prove to be wrong. In Walt We Trust (?).

80 thoughts on “Will CoCo Return?

  1. FWIW, out of all the pitchers in baseball who threw 50 or more innings last year, there were only 4 who recorded a lower BABIP than Cordero:

    Antonio Bastardo (great name) – .182 BABIP
    Koji Uehara – .197 BABIP
    Tyler Clippard – .201 BABIP
    Mike Adams – .214 BABIP
    Francisco Cordero – .215 BABIP

    So it really was exceptional. I would bet that every one of these guys would regress, at least a little, in 2012.

  2. @LukeSho: Relevant line:

    Stringfellow said that two other clubs and talking with Cordero and that the talks involve multi-year deals. The other two clubs — Stringfellow declined to mention them at the clubs’ request — are looking at Cordero as a closer.

    Hmmm……IT’S A BLUFF.

  3. @dn4192: None of the stats you use have any predictive value. I think everyone had this same conversation when Bronson’s contract was extended (age, poor peripheral stats, too much $$$, etc.).

    Since I work under the assumption that the highest leverage innings occur in the 7th and 8th, I’m not 100% against seeing CoCo in a Reds uniform, closing out ball games. It’s just a matter of price and my price for CoCo is pretty low. CoCo is probably the 4th best reliever on this team if he resigns.

  4. @Bill Lack: It’s true you don’t see many Dwarf women. In fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they’re often mistaken for Dwarf men.

    This in turn had lead to the belief that there are no women, and that dwarves just spring out of holes in the ground, which is of course ridiculous.


  5. @dn4192: Yeah, I hear you, dn4192, but believe me – you and I want the same thing. We want a closer who will close games without blowing many.

    The question is, if Cordero is our closer in 2012, how effective is he likely to be converting saves?

    I’m saying that his numbers (even with the good ERA) suggest that he will be worse in 2012 than in 2011 – quite possibly a lot worse. (And that doesn’t even take into account that he’s going to be 38 years old – at least not directly.)

    I know BABIP is one of those new-fangled stats. But all I’m saying is, Cordero is very likely to allow more hits in 2012 than in 2011. Which will likely lead to more blown saves. That’s all.

  6. I know I’ll get slammed for this, but for my money, here’s someone who we could get cheap (probably) and who would most likely be just as good as Cordero. Maybe even better.

    Juan Cruz.

    I know, he’s never been a closer. And his walk rate is even worse than Cordero’s. He’s flawed, for sure.

    But I’ve always liked him. He strikes out a lot (9.1 K/9 career). His HR rate is OK. And he’s been a LOT better in the NL than in the AL. (NL: 3.77 ERA, 1.35 WHIP. AL: 5.39 ERA, 1.55 WHIP).

    And he played for $850,000 last year, for Tampa.

    He’d at least be good bullpen depth (not necessarily as closer), and could allow us to spend a little more on LF (if there’s anyone worth spending on).

    OK, go ahead and chew me up now… I can take it… 😉

  7. @Dan: Cruz in a good pitcher. But who goes to Louisville if he is signed and why is he an upgrade? That’s it. No chewing. Just a follow up question.

  8. If given a choice I would rather see the Reds go with someone already on the team in the closer role or closer by committee and use the monies in other areas. However we know that won’t happen so then you have to ask yourself IF the Reds are going to spend money on that position what is the best/cheapest possible solution and I think Co-Co might be it.

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