2012 Reds

Ryan Theriot?

Ummmm…why?

Infielder Ryan Theriot might be a good fit for the Reds after the Cardinals declined to tender a 2012 contract offer Monday, making him a free agent.

Theriot, who hit .271 last season, is not great defensively – 17 errors in 91 games at shortstop. But he’s a utility guy who plays shortstop. That’s a stated need of the Reds.

Theriot has played mostly second and short in his career. But he’s played nine games at third and 11 games in the outfield.

Just idle speculation by the Fayman, methinks. Fay does, however, end with this noteworthy paragraph:

The Reds, so far in this offseason, have not added one player outside the organization to the roster.

It’s not like Spring Training starts tomorrow, so there is certainly no reason whatsoever that we should overreact. It’s only mid-December, after all…but this off-season bears a striking resemblance to last year’s thus far. Ol’ Walt’s just sitting on his hands at the moment. We can only hope something big is in the works.

I choose to believe that the Reds will be making at least one big move before the 2012 season. Management knows the team can’t win with the roster as currently constructed. They have to do something to improve the club, right? Right?

72 thoughts on “Ryan Theriot?

  1. “And they want someone more versatile than Renteria.” That would be anyone, I mean ANYONE, not actually named ‘Renteria’.

  2. @RedLeg75: so the A’s offered Gio Gonzalez for Alonso, Grandal, and another player.

    We’ve heard that Walt thinks the price tag for pitching has been too high.

    I just have to ask, what did he think the teams were going to ask for?

    If you were the A’s what would you want in return? Gonzalez is 25, cheap, and has put up back to back 200IP seasons, posting 4 and 5 WAR. Would you trade that guy for Yonder Alonso and some roster filler?

    No way. There is no way. Of course they want two top prospects! I’m surprised they’re not asking for Jay Bruce! Is Walt delusional or just the most risk averse GM in history?

    Maybe it’s a good deal, maybe it’s not a good deal. I think Yonder is gonna be real good (at the plate) and it looks like Grandal might be good too.

    But if the Reds stated goal is to get a good starting pitcher, they have to know this is what it costs. If they think this price is too high, then they aren’t serious about achieving their goal.

    • Agree that if Walt thinks Alonso, Grandal, and another young prospect is too much to ask for Gio, he’s got unrealistic expectations.

      The funny thing is that when Walt was with the Cardinals, he had a reputation for trading prospects for other teams’ undervalued stars. According to HBT, the reason he was ousted was that he disagreed with Luhnow (now the Astros’ GM) about the value of building a homegrown team. He felt that was a “lose now” strategy.

      What happened to Walt the wheeler-dealer?

  3. I think the Reds should take that deal, but first i would try to expand it to include Andrew Bailey. I would include one of Homer, Wood, and Volquez (or maybe two instead of a prospect?) and another solid prospect for their Bailey. That would help clear out some of the starting pitcher logjam.

    I think we could win with:

    Rotation:

    Cueto
    Gonzalez
    Leake
    Chapman
    Arroyo (only because of contract)

    Relievers:

    A. Bailey
    Bray
    Masset
    Ondrusek
    Aredondo
    LeCure
    Wood

    • I think the Reds should take that deal, but first i would try to expand it to include Andrew Bailey. I would include one of Homer, Wood, and Volquez (or maybe two instead of a prospect?) and another solid prospect for their Bailey. That would help clear out some of the starting pitcher logjam. I think we could win with:Rotation:CuetoGonzalezLeakeChapmanArroyo (only because of contract)Relievers:A. BaileyBrayMassetOndrusekAredondoLeCureWood

      Now that sounds like a good deal on all sides. This might really be wishful thinking, but Arroyo’s pride may really have him coming into the season better conditioned and prepared. I at least expect for the first part of the season for him to be solid. Don’t have any facts to back this up, just a baseball fans hope and limited knowledge of the player.

      • This might really be wishful thinking, but Arroyo’s pride may really have him coming into the season better conditioned and prepared. I at least expect for the first part of the season for him to be solid. Don’t have any facts to back this up, just a baseball fans hope and limited knowledge of the player.

        I could see it. I do think that for all the press he gets as a “rocker/party guy” Arroyo takes the game very seriously.

        The contract was still clearly a bad idea, and one that seemed so obviously bad at the time, but if there’s a guy in the game that can comeback on moxy alone, it’s probably Bronson.

  4. “But if the Reds stated goal is to get a good starting pitcher, they have to know this is what it costs. If they think this price is too high, then they aren’t serious about achieving their goal.”

    Exactly. There is no position as costly as GOOD starting pitching. If you don’t have the cash to spend, then you need a farm system/young MLB ready talent to acquire. If you don’t want to spend all your people capital then you have to get creative and dip deep in your system, start talking draft, or attempt to get a third team involved. Bottom line: top of the rotation guys are going to be expensive, one way or the other. But if you don’t make the moves, then you get Josh Fogg.

  5. There is no scenario in which bring in Theriot is a good idea. He is absolutely terrible at SS, Valaika, Frazier, and Cairo could do as well there. He is completely worthless anywhere but 2B, and the Reds do not need that at all. I really hope they don’t give him a flyer because he will be the new Nefi Perez for Dusty Baker, ugh!

  6. I still don’t understand the love for Gio Gonzalez…he is an average pitcher outside the overwhelming pitcher park he plays half his games in.

  7. Because Gio’s not just a play on 2012 & 2013.

    He’s only 26 and is under team control till 2016. And he is still improving. He’s not James Shields but, even with the road split from last year, would have been the 2nd best pitcher on the Reds last year (a very low bar).

  8. I’m not thrilled about Theriot, either.

    But I understand why Walt is interested. He’s probably traumatized by last year. He finally decided to give Janish a chance, and Janny hit worse than anyone expected, and even took his troubles at the plate into the field (those errors). And Renteria, signed to back up third as well as SS, refused to play third.

    So now he wants someone who can take over at SS if Cozart struggles like Janish did. And someone versatile enough to play multiple positions. In particular, I would guess he’s looking for someone who can play infield and outfield. Because the way the roster’s looking, we’re going to have only 4 outfielders. Having the new veteran SS able to play outfield too would help a lot. (Where’s Ryan Freel when you need him?)

  9. Over at RR, an interesting and in depth look at realistic deals for Shields, Gio, and JJ. He concludes that Grandal/Alonso/Sappelt could be enough, though he leaves room for a 4th player to be included. Either way his goal was to put together a fair trade. Looks like he was spot on based on the MLBTR link. I’m a little surprised Jocketty disagrees.

    http://www.redreporter.com/2011/12/13/2625963/acquiring-an-ace-a-realistic-look-at-potential-trade-packages-for-a

  10. Just for the record, I expected Janish to hit terribly and stated that his defense was a tad overrated and would be exposed with long term play. I am, however, more confident in having him as a backup to Cozart with the stipulation of him being versatile enough to play defense at other positions. Our bench is a mess and Janish may be the only hope we currently have (Heaven help us)of helping out the situation.

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