The Reds Hall of Fame announced the three most recent inductees yesterday, all former Cincinnati first basemen:

Three-time All-Star Sean Casey, Big Red Machine infielder Dan Driessen and 19th century first baseman John Reilly will be the next three players inducted into the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame.

Casey was selected by the fans through the Modern Player Ballot presented by Cincyfavorites.com. The Veterans Committee selected Driessen and Reilly to make up the Reds Hall of Fame Class of 2012.

The trio will be honored June 22-24 during Reds Hall of Fame Induction Weekend, which will include on-field ceremonies at Great American Ball Park, the star-studded Hall of Fame Induction Gala and a variety of festivities at the Hall, including meet and greets with Reds Hall of Famers and alumni.

Argue about any of the three, if you wish. As far as I’m concerned, all are distinguished former Reds, and any chance we can get to honor some of the better players in club history, sign me up.

I will concede that I’m disappointed that the Reds are going to enshrine the wrong John Reilly. (Okay, maybe not.)

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, “The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds” is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad’s musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.

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  1. Not having John Franco in the Reds HOF is shear lunacy. Look up his record. While I liked Driessen, he was really an average player. Great part-time stats through 1976-which is why they traded Tony Perez, but after that. pretty average. Obviously, the majority of voters can only remember Franco as a Met-how these “voters” can remember Driessen and not Franco is beyond me. He should be in this class, no doubt.

  2. Chad, wasn’t your John Reilly a catcher for the Detroit Tigers? He caught a perfect game against the Yankees with Kevin Costner pitching. I would think that would be enough to make the HoF.

    @Bob Purkey: I agree wholeheartedly about John Franco.

  3. @Bob Purkey: No way on Franco. He barely had 100 saves for the Reds before being traded. Danny Graves had over 170. If the Reds wouldn’t have screwed him up in 2003 by having him start, he would’ve had well over 200 saves for us. Take issue with the way Graves went out, but his numbers speak for themselves.
    I’ll give my blessing to the Casey deal on one condition—that he never does color commentary again.

  4. I cannot disagree with Casey’s nomination! He was not only a very good player but truly one of the greatest ambassadors that the game has known. We beat on him over his color commentary but let’s face it, I would rather listen to him and his bubbly enthusiasm that some stoic color man with no personality. I really think that Danny Graves should have gotten in. If Wayne Granger is in the Reds’ HOF, Graves deserves to be there as well. The last year was not good and that is what many of us are remembering but over his career, he was very strong out of the pen. Has anyone heard if Casey and Driessen are going to be at RedsFest?

  5. Dan Driessen? He was average at best and his only notable “accomplishment” was being the first NL DH. Looks like the veteran’s committee got sentimental for people they could link back to the BR Machine days…..

    And Graves should be in, I agree with previous posts.

  6. @Sultan of Swaff:
    Sultan: Won’t disagree that they screwed up Graves, but Franco was set-up for 2 years before 4 years of closing, In those 4 years he had 132 saves. Graves was closer for 6 years, 1 as a starter, 1 as a set up. In those 6 years as closer Graves had 170 saves. If Franco had not been traded, he would have easily passed Graves’ saves amount(he avaerged 32 per year with the Mets in each of the next 2 years). Even if you throw out Graves “strating year” Franco had more wins, and a lower WHIP and gave up one hell of a lot fewer homers than Graves-again, not including those horrendous 2003 starting stats.

    I am not saving that Graves wasn’t good, but Franco averaged 33 saves per year in the 4 years that he was actually the closer, and I believe that he belongs ahead of Dan Driessen-I did not say in fron of Grave!

  7. @Bob Purkey: I don’t get Driessen either. he was a bit player but I guess he’s getting the benefit of the doubt for longevity. I hope they afford Scott Sullivan same treatment, but that’s just me being sentimental.

  8. Over at Fay’s blog there’s a lot of complaining about Casey getting in. I don’t get that. Here’s what I posted over there:

    I don’t see the problem with Casey getting in. He had 3 outstanding seasons with the Reds – 1999,2000, and 2004, and over his 8 seasons batted .302/.367/.447. That’s good enough for a team HOF. This isn’t Cooperstown.

    I have more of a problem with Dreissen. It’s stated that he was versatile and excelled at several positions. That’s flat out false. He was a disaster at 3rd base in his rookie year, which is what left him without a position until Perez was traded. In the 1973 NLCS loss to the Mets, he made a historic criticial blunder in the deciding Game 5, thinking there was a force out when he had to make a tag.

    • I don’t see the problem with Casey getting in. He had 3 outstanding seasons with the Reds – 1999,2000, and 2004, and over his 8 seasons batted .302/.367/.447. That’s good enough for a team HOF. This isn’t Cooperstown.

      I have more of a problem with Dreissen.

      But he doesn’t deserve to get in: .271/.361/.416 doesn’t cut it.

      As a Red OPS OPS+ PA
      Dan Driessen .777 115 5487
      Sean Casey .834 114 4478

      It looks like when you adjust for era these guys are pretty even. Somebody is going to have to come up with something better to convince me otherwise. I think Driessen is very deserving.

  9. Driessen was not a bit player. He was an everyday player in 1974, and (after the Perez trade) from 1977 thru 1983. He also played every day in his rookie year, 1973, after coming up. But he doesn’t deserve to get in: .271/.361/.416 doesn’t cut it.

    And as I say above, he was NOT versatile – he could only play first base.

  10. I did not see Driessen play (I’m too young), but his induction seems an overreach. A cursory glance at his fangraphs page shows he was a decent player for a couple years, and a valuable sub a couple other years. In fact, his chief attribute is that he was a good bench player on the 75 and 76 teams.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1003501&position=1B

  11. (I will say that growing up, I played a great game called Old Time Baseball on the computer, and whenever I was the 75 Reds, I always had more success platooning Driessen with Perez. Driessen killed RHPers on the game. But it seemed like heresy to give Driessen ALL the starts against RHPers, so I rarely actually did it.)

  12. I was never a fan of Dan Driessen and part of it goes back to seeing a game at Riverfront in the Pastore/Householder era when we actually got there early and the dude was smoking all through batting practice and then as the team left the field he was playing like he was going to throw some balls into the crowd but left the field never actually tossing the baseballs into the crowd.

    It’s totally goofy and completely subjective to childhood memory, but I always was like why did they let Tony Perez go? C’mon guys…the guy could still hit when he was 38.

    Sean Casey is a bro. Nuff said.

    I was kind of bummed when John Franco got traded but it kind of got glossed over by the Nasty Boys coming to promise the next year, as that bullpen was crazy DEEP. Franco’s a solid baseball citizen and deserves a tip of the hat for some nice years in Cincy.

  13. Smoking cigs…not line drives, just to clarify.

  14. As long as Danny Graves NEVER gets in. Saves is the most over valued stat in baseball. That guys was pathetic.

  15. I’m sorry, what’s this thread about? I keep getting distracted by the girl on the Mutually Beneficial Arrangements advert.

    I don’t know how to argue against any of the names put forward for the ballot.

  16. Here’s a few numbers to help illustrate how OPS+ is able to illustrate how Dreissen and Casey are very comparable hitters despite the big difference in OPS for their times as a Red. Note that both players OPS during their Reds career is almost right at .080 over the league average OPS for the same time period.

    Driessen with Reds 73-84, .777 OPS, 115 OPS+, 5487 PA

    NL League OPS

    1984 .688
    1983 .698
    1982 .692
    1981 .683
    1980 .695
    1979 .709
    1978 .692
    1977 .724
    1976 .681
    1975 .696
    1974 .693

    NL League OPS 74-84 is about .696

    Casey with Reds 98-05, .834 OPS, 114 OPS+, 4478 PA

    NL League OPS

    2005 .744
    2004 .756
    2003 .749
    2002 .741
    2001 .756
    2000 .773
    1999 .771
    1998 .741

    NL League OPS 98-05 is about .754

  17. Danny Graves is deserving of the Reds Hall of Fame.

    What I HATE is that people use his way of leaving town and bad time after he was turned starter against him. I was at games before then and talked to tons of people…they loved him. And how he left…someone was yelling racist things at him and he flipped them off? Good for him…THEY deserve to be the ones run out of town.

    As for other (now former) Reds that deserve a spot in the team Hall of Fame from the last 15? And that is the important thing to remember, as someone said…this isn’t Cooperstown…it’s a team Hall of Fame for people who made a large positive impact one way or another. And if Chris Sabo is deserving, these people are for sure. (No order to this list)

    Danny Graves
    Ken Griffey Jr.
    Adam Dunn
    Aaron Harang

    May be a few more not popping in my head.

    For current Reds, I think the following should be in easily:

    Brandon Phillips
    Joey Votto

    There are a lot of CLOSE cases that could be made for either list…Aaron Boone, Francisco Cordero, Bronson Arroyo, etc…but I’m not sure there.

  18. Through a search, I came across this thread. Does anyone think Fred Norman or Ron Oester belong in the Reds’ Hall of Fame? Norman was a valuable piece who performed different duties. His WS numbers weren’t impressive but otherwise was a consistent player.

    Also, through Google, I came across a 2006 article from the USA Today regarding a Pete Rose exhibit in the Reds’ Hall. Do the Reds need to get MLB approval to induct him into the team’s Hall or does the team have the ultimate say? Has there been recent comment regarding a possible Pete Rose as an inductee?

    I have to admit being a bit surprised to see Dan Driessen’s name on the list.

    For the record, I have been following the Reds since the 1970 World Series. I don’t live in the market but rely for this site almost on a daily basis.

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Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine. You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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