2012 Reds

Bailey (Not Homer)?

John Fay reports that Buster Olney of ESPN is saying the Reds are talking to Oakland about a possible trade for Andrew Bailey?

Bailey is 27, has 75 saves and a 2.07 ERA in 3 seasons with the A’s, is arbitration eligible, but under team control until 2015….but he could only throw 41 innings last year as he battled injuries.

Thoughts?

23 thoughts on “Bailey (Not Homer)?

  1. Sounds like the perfect candidate. No longer a prospect with a history of injury driving down his value. If they need a pitcher, I would think it would be mid level, type B prospect in return plus a one of our AAA position types.

  2. It all comes down to price. He’s a definite improvement over CoCo talent-wise but I can see the Reds dramatically overpaying. The MLB is a minefield for old school GMs like Walt Jocketty.

    It’s rare that you are actually given a playbook for a team’s trading philosophy. But Billy Beane laid his strategy out regarding closers pretty explicitly in Moneyball.

    • It’s rare that you are actually given a playbook for a team’s trading philosophy. But Billy Beane laid his strategy out regarding closers pretty explicitly in Moneyball.

      Thought exactly the same thing. Beane takes a decent pitching prospect, gets them some saves, and then sells them like elite talent to some sucker. That sucker would be us.

      Saw one report that they were interested in Alonso, and it gave me the chills. Now if they were interested in Heisey or Sappelt, that would be worth thinking about.

  3. There are plenty of ways to expand this with Oakland. Rumors of Gio Gonzalez, Bailey & Willingham availability make this a viable trading partner should either the A’s or Reds, should they wish to expand this opportunity. We could discuss the pros/cons of each of these guys, but the opportunity to expand this trade is viable for either party.

    • There are plenty of ways to expand this with Oakland. Rumors of Gio Gonzalez, Bailey & Willingham availability make this a viable trading partner should either the A’s or Reds, should they wish to expand this opportunity. We could discuss the pros/cons of each of these guys, but the opportunity to expand this trade is viable for either party.

      Willingham is actuall a free agent. But if they are actually shopping Gonzalez, that could be a good match. If the deal was for Bailey and Gonzalez, then I could see giving up a lot.

      Something like Alonso, Sappelt, Wood, and a pitcher in the low minors?

      That gives them something for the rotation, a pitching prospect deeper down in the system, and potentially two outfielders. They need to fill 3 OF spots and the DH.

      Alonso is just Beane’s type of player too.

  4. Whether it happens or not is anyone’s guess, but I like where Walt’s head is at. I never thought for a second Walt was serious about retaining Cordero. Bailey’s 37% ground ball rate is a tad worrisome, but the K rate is solid. Heisey or Sappelt plus a Donnie Joseph type would be fair IMO.
    I’m not interested in Cahill–too many hits, too few Ks. With Gonzalez I’d have to listen, but the park factor gives me pause–are his numbers inflated??

    • With Gonzalez I’d have to listen, but the park factor gives me pause–are his numbers inflated??

      It looks like last season he definitely gave up more HR on the road, but he also just pitched worse (threw more balls), so it’s hard to say what would happen if he pitched at GABP. I would guess the HR would increase some, but his GB rate is pretty high, and he certainly wouldn’t turn into a HR machine.

      I would project him to pitch more than 200 innings with an ERA less than 4. For this Reds team, that’s worth a lot.

      It’s going to be an interesting season, that’s for sure. The Reds have so many guys that fall into the potentially good and potentially terrible category in the rotation. What do you do with Arroyo, Bailey, Volquez, and Wood?

      I’ve said it before, but I think the Reds should take a looke at Homer in the pen.

  5. right now the A’s are one of the worst hitting teams in the League.I would offer up Stubbs and Francisco for Bailey and Gio Gonzalez. This would address two issues, and would be cheap contracts.

  6. @t_dattilo: lol c’mon, that trade is ridiculous. Any trade that makes you picture WJ tapping his fingers together while laughing maniacally at his desk should make you pause. Gio is basically already at EV’s ceiling. Factor in the bonuses he’d get in all stats from moving over from the AL to NL and Walt is now on top of his desk shooting pistols in the air, Yosemite Sam-style.

  7. We need to do something, we didn’t compete enough last year. Yonder is wasted here, and i can’t imagine a good deal for a 26 year old prospect. But, with all due respect, Andrew Bailey will not solve our problems. Coco isnt missing bats, but he didn’t blow enough games to say he was the difference. If you can get bailey for didi gregorious or denis phipps, im all for it. But trading away yonder for a closer…we will not be able to upgrade this team. we need starting pitching. Yet we will not get it. We have 7 guys, and we’re gonna be spending the rest of jocketty’s tenure here hoping one evolves as number one. we’ll trade yonder for a 35 yr old stopgap in left, grandal will waste away for a few years until he’s good enough to get us another 35 year old stopgap player. we’ll sign willingham to play left. we’ll stick with rolen at third and roll with a rotation of cueto, arroyo, leake and bailey, with chapman around til either he runs out of innings in mid july or his arm breaks, surely it will, and we’ll have to hope woods back or volquez isn’t a child. Nothing will happen. speculation is futile.

    In case you’re wondering, i have indeed, lost hope. Here’s to another year of mediocrity.

  8. well, sheldon is reporting that a source in the reds says that giving up yonder for bailey would be way too much, so at least the front office isn’t going down that road.

    i really wouldn’t want to give up any of the top 10 prospects for him, save maybe one of the guys in the low low minors. but it does seem like a fit in that we have a bunch of possible outfield candidates and they need to fill their whole outfield.

  9. How about Bailey for Bailey straight up. Also how many rumored trades on the internet actually ever happen and if they do for what the internet says are the players involved? I say sit back, relax and see what happens and then when and if it all goes down hill, then jump off the bridge….😉

  10. @al: It’s the Reds, Al, with Walt Jocketty at the helm. Perhaps I’m a bit jaded.

  11. Maybe the better A’s reliever to target is Grant Balfour. His peripherals are arguably better than Bailey and he wouldn’t cost as much to acquire. He’s only 32.

  12. The Marlins inquired on Gio Gonzalez and the A’s wanted a package centering around either Logan Morrison or Mike Stanton.

    • The Marlins inquired on Gio Gonzalez and the A’s wanted a package centering around either Logan Morrison or Mike Stanton.

      clearly stanton wasn’t going to get moved, but i’m not surprised they asked.

      i still think, especially with beane being who he is, that a deal based around alonso makes a lot of sense. i could see it being alonso and two lesser prospects for gonzalez, or i could see them expanding to include bailey. in that case the reds would almost certainly have to give up more major league ready talent.

  13. Alonso was a good asking price to start. He is obviously blocked and talented. If it was Beane’s intention to expand the deal then I don’t think that will work on Walt. Beane probably has to make that proposal directly.

    I for one hope we get SOME outside help on this closer issue. What we have is inadequate and the Chapman temptation is probably too strong for the front office boys.

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