11/14/2011

Roy Oswalt?

Sports Illustrated is doing a team-by-team preview of each club’s off-season plans. You can read the entire thing yourself, but relevant to our conversation here is the list of “targets” they identify for the Reds: SP James Shields, SP Roy Oswalt, SP C.J. Wilson, SP Jon Danks, SP Scott Baker.

Shields: yes, please. Wilson: too expensive and probably not worth the money he’ll receive, anyway.

Roy Oswalt? Very interesting.

Then again, take this with a grain of salt. In another example of why the once-mighty SI is dying, these guys list Aroldis Chapman as next year’s closer.

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  1. Why do I feel like signing Oswalt at this point in his career is the Rolen and Arroyo extensions revisited?

  2. I’m not ready to dismiss the idea that Chapman will be the Reds closer next year. I hope not, but I’d rate it at about a 30-35% chance right now.

  3. It’s nice to “guess” and “speculate” and Wish for a starter that we could call a number 1 but it’s all about money. Oswalt is no longer a number i starter in this league. He was a few years ago but not now. Shields is but would cost a lot. The Rays would want a proven everyday star in return. They would ask for Votto. They might listen if Chapman were included in a deal with Alonso. It would still take one of our younger pitchers to I think. Bailey or Wood maybe. If you were the Reds would you pull the trigger on that?

    • It’s nice to “guess” and “speculate” and Wish for a starter that we could call a number 1 but it’s all about money. Oswalt is no longer a number i starter in this league. He was a few years ago but not now. Shields is but would cost a lot. The Rays would want a proven everyday star in return. They would ask for Votto. They might listen if Chapman were included in a deal with Alonso. It would still take one of our younger pitchers to I think. Bailey or Wood maybe. If you were the Reds would you pull the trigger on that?

      There is already a #1 starter in Cueto. He almost lead the majors in ERA, what else does he need to do? A #2 or #3 starter is what is being looked for. Therefore you do not need David Price, you can take James Shields, or Danks, or Baker. @David: You are not going to get Chad Billingsley. And they will not trade Votto this year so give up that thought. Alonso is the more likely candidate to leave as there are plenty of candidates to play in the OF and not so many at 1b. Next year, or the year after that there may be several so that is when you trade Votto if you are going to trade him.

      • @David: You are not going to get Chad Billingsley. And they will not trade Votto this year so give up that thought. Alonso is the more likely candidate to leave as there are plenty of candidates to play in the OF and not so many at 1b. Next year, or the year after that there may be several so that is when you trade Votto if you are going to trade him.

        Why wouldn’t the Reds get Billingsley? He is headed toward an arbitration fight, is under control for only another year, had a subpar 2011, which makes him a risk to the financially strapped Dodgers and a decent buy low candidate in a prove it type situation. The Dodgers 2012 rotation isn’t deep, but they have a number of good arms two years away. Bailey and Grandal probably gets Billingsley.

  4. Roy Oswalt is not a good idea. I would be open to trading for James Shields and BJ Upton for Joey Votto. That would enhance left field defensively and offer a right handed bat in the line up. Of course the big part for Cincy is getting a number one starter. Votto is a legit game changer that plays every day. And Tampa fans are really nuts if they won’t show up to watch him play. If it wasn’t inevitable that the Reds won’t be able to afford him I would not even consider trading Votto.

  5. Oswalt has no value. At least, not enough to gamble on.

  6. I think Scott Baker is a much better option for the Reds. With that said, I don’t think the Twins are all that interested in moving Baker. I could see the Reds pursuing a year of Chad Billingsley.

  7. Shields or Price? If you are giving up Alonso/Chapman or Votto, I’d rather have Price.

  8. I stopped reading after this: “They have a trio of hard-hitting major-league ready catching prospects, with one, Yonder Alonso…”

  9. On MLBtraderumors Heyman or Olney tweeted the Rays would be willing to move pitching for a player like Votto. If true, that’s a sea change from what our assumptions are about that club. Given their attendance/stadium/revenue problems, it would seem that an increase in payroll over the current $40mil would be impossible, and thus rule out the Votto deal. But if true, it tells me the Rays are gonna take one final shot at winning it all before their house of cards crumbles.
    So, would you move Votto for Shields?

  10. @David: I’d give Alonso and Chapman for Matt Moore.

  11. @PeterNincompoop: You didn’t like the bit about “Prospects on the Verge: … RP Francisco Cordero”? How about “[a]t third base, utilityman Todd Frazier will serve as a caddy to Scott Rolen.” In an article of 575 words or less, those three mistakes are pretty bad.

    If the goal is to win in the next two years, the pitchers I’d target are Scott Baker, Chad Billingsley, and James Shields. With Alonso and Grandal I’m sure you could get one year rentals. If the goal is to field a team for 2013 and beyond, then I’d target Gio Gonzalez, David Price, Tommy Hanson, et al. I’m certain Votto would bring back one of those pitchers.

  12. Ahhhh, I do love a good hotstove debate. But alas I digress.

    One way or another any trade with the Rays someone is going to feel like they got screwed. Obviously the Rays pitching talent (i.e. Shields and Price and two good looking prospects i.e. Moore and Cobb) lead people to believe they would make a good trading partner. But remember, the Reds are looking for a top of the rotation pitcher. That eliminates the two kids and either Shields or Price would come at a VERY high price tag to be sure.

    (I’m starting to get that same Hamilton for Volquez sick feeling again.) The enticements worthy of landing either of those guys would include Votto or a whole bag full of prospects. (Though I could live with Shields AND Cobb for Votto, or Price AND Moore for Votto.) But I’d rather not loose either Votto or a bag of prospects. *Sigh*

  13. Oswalt is a true workhorse. He’s had issues with is back, but look at the avg innings throughout his career. He’s a true gamer and fierce competitor. I like the idea of adding him to the rotation, along with Cueto, and Leake. With that being said , we sould still need another durable starter(Shields). I’m all for trading Votto in a deal that would allow us to get that other starter. Put Alonso at first. Don’t wast your money by re-signing Cordero. Put Heisey in Center and trade Stubbs. Low on base will never equate to a winning team. Don’t wast money on Willingham. He’s just a bit better than an everyday Gomes. Just some suggestions to improve, but nothing will happen as always. Management is just hoping for high expectations. Best move the Reds could make would be getting a new GM.

  14. The As seem to be the better trading partner. Gio Gonzales would be a nice addition and could pitch 2 or 3. That would make the rotation something along the lines of Cueto, Leake/Gonzales, Arroyo, Chapman, Volquez, Bailey, Wood, LeCure. Looks like there may be some trade bait in there. For that matter, you could throw in Frazier, or Sappelt, Heisey, Stubbs, Alonso, and Phipps. Doesnt seem to me that they have to even discuss Votto or Phillips being traded.

  15. @redmountain: Cueto is a very good major league pitcher. He was also very lucky next year. He’s going to regress. He isn’t an ace. At least, not yet.

  16. Anybody else hear the recent rumor of the Reds getting Clayton Kershaw from the dodgers for Volquez, Bailey, Alonso, and possibly Grandal. Doesn’t sound like a bad deal to me maybe get a small prospect in return too and I would accept it.

    • Anybody else hear the recent rumor of the Reds getting Clayton Kershaw from the dodgers for Volquez, Bailey, Alonso, and possibly Grandal. Doesn’t sound like a bad deal to me maybe get a small prospect in return too and I would accept it.

      Without a source on that I’m going to have to say it began in a forum with people throwing out names. Kershaw is probably going to win the Cy Young and won the triple crown for pitching. I can’t fathom the Dodgers trading Kershaw.

  17. It appears more and more like Houston is heading to the AL West and getting a boatload of cash. What about inquiring about Wandy Rodriguez?

  18. Without a source on that I’m going to have to say it began in a forum with people throwing out names.Kershaw is probably going to win the Cy Young and won the triple crown for pitching.I can’t fathom the Dodgers trading Kershaw.

    Supposedly they were interested in dealing him to lower their payroll making it easier to sell the dodgers and give their new owner more flexibility. I assume the dodgers won’t do this but I was just seeing if anybody else heard anything about this and the possibilities of it happening if it did i do think it would be a good trade for the Reds.

  19. Anybody else think that the conversation between Beane and his scouts in Moneyball sounds a lot like this conversation? I wonder if WJ and the boys are having a very similar conversation right about now.

  20. It looks more and more like the Astros will be heading to the AL West. They will also be receiving a boatload of cash in two years, but may want to shed some payroll this year. What about Wandy Rodriguez?

  21. @preach: Ooops, didn’t see that I posted this twice. Didn’t think the earlier one went. 😳

  22. surprised to see the support for Baker, he has a terrible historical profile for someone that would pitch half their games at GABP. Danks would be a better fit, but honestly i see nothing wrong with taking a short term flyer on Oswalt. His peripherals (BB/9, K/BB, HR/9, GB/FB)were pretty solid last year.

  23. If the Reds could get Oswalt on a deal ≤7 million with lots of incentives I’d love to see it. But I can see him getting something in the 2/22 range.

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About Chad Dotson

Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine. You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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