10/29/2011

For The Record

If I had known the Cardinals were going to win the World Series, I wouldn’t have spent the last seven months watching baseball.

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, “The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds” is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad’s musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine.

You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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  1. Truth.

  2. Well, I’m going to try to make something positive out of it. The Rangers, like Buckner’s Red Sox and Bartman’s and Dusty’s Cubs, just could not overcome a devastating loss after being so close to winning. They all had a chance to come back with another game to play to decide the outcome. Some of the failing in the final game may be attributable to the other team getting such a huge boost from their accomplishment. But the one team that did overcome this scenario was the 1975 Cincinnati Reds!

  3. I haven’t decided if I’m going to watch the World Series yet.

  4. Agreed. My brother is a Cards fan and I still couldn’t root for them.

  5. @MikeC:

    Don’t forget the 1985 Cardinals in that group.

  6. I did tell you guys this was going to happen a while ago. It was, though, kind of like a long, slow, painful death.

    If I were Nolan Ryan I’d have wanted to smack Mike Maddux, I think. 41 walks in 7 games? It was embarrassing. Their whole pitching staff acted like Pujols was a player who hit 1.000. I mean, come on. And their manager is a joke.

    • I did tell you guys this was going to happen a while ago.It was, though, kind of like a long, slow, painful death.

      If I were Nolan Ryan I’d have wanted to smack Mike Maddux, I think.41 walks in 7 games?It was embarrassing.Their whole pitching staff acted like Pujols was a player who hit 1.000.I mean, come on.And their manager is a joke.

      Their fielding wasn’t much better.

    • Dave L: I did tell you guys this was going to happen a while ago.It was, though, kind of like a long, slow, painful death.

      If I were Nolan Ryan I’d have wanted to smack Mike Maddux, I think.41 walks in 7 games?It was embarrassing.Their whole pitching staff acted like Pujols was a player who hit 1.000.I mean, come on.And their manager is a joke.

      Agree with everything you say here. You called it very early with the Cards winning the Series if they made it to the postseason, which seemed unlikely at the time.

      The Texas staff self-destructed – especially in games 6 and 7 – with all the walks and HBPs. In 3 innings in Games 6 and 7, the Cards scored without a hit (in one case actually a single IF hit). The key inning for me in Game 7 was the Cardinals scoring 2 runs on 2 walks and two hit by pitch, to pull ahead 5-2.

      Pujols’ uniform getting brushed by that pitch on an 0-2 count was a big break for the Cardinals. The Cardinal fans responded, naturally, by booing. And they’re often called the best fans in baseball – give me a break.

  7. Said it last night on Twitter. Saying it again today:

    Thank God the Cardinals won, sparing the baseball world from three months of their whining, bitching, and excuse-making whenever they lose.

  8. Apparently, there is no justice in the world.

  9. How big a market is St Louis compared to Cincy? It should be giving us hope that a well run team can run over the Yanks and Phils of the world.
    Well except for that “well run” part doesn’t apply to Mr Jocketty.

  10. “If I had known the Cardinals were going to win the World Series, I wouldn’t have spent the last seven months watching baseball.”
    Really? So you don’t actually like baseball? You’re not a Reds fan, just a Cardinals hater? Leave the whining to the whiny little b’s. We’re better than that.

    • Really? So you don’t actually like baseball? You’re not a Reds fan, just a Cardinals hater? Leave the whining to the whiny little b’s. We’re better than that.

      Familiar with the phrase “tongue in cheek?” at all? It’s just funny (and fun) to hate on the Cards. The man uses a little humor and you take him to the woodshed for no reason.

  11. The Cardinals are what the Reds would be if the Reds spent their money better. Having an additional $30million in the payroll doesn’t hurt, nor does the sheer dumb luck of bringing up a no-name AA player who suddenly turns into the greatest baseball player of the last 10 years, never gets injured, never misses a beat, and always has big time hitters around him in the lineup.

  12. The Rangers manager makes Dusty look good. After they lost game 6, it might as well have been over then, because the Cards had their #1 against the Rangers #3 (or #4) who had just been owned by the Cards in game 3. The Rangers defense is really awful as well.

    The most painful thing, other than seeing that smirk on Carpenters face all series, was seeing an injured Josh Hamilton still getting hits and RBI’s and knowing what we’ve ended up with in that deal…

  13. This series proved that if you put the Astros and the Mariners (or any other evenly matched teams) in the World Series, it will be a competitive and entertaining series. Perhaps next year, the two leagues could send their best teams to the series.

  14. This whole scenario makes me throw up in my mouth. The hated Cards win and are an example of what we want for our team. = We’re jealous and it makes it worse that it had to be our most hated inter-divisional rival whom we had a winning record against during the season.

    As a team, the Reds have a Ron Washington type manager when we need a LaRussa who didn’t look his best but still out managed Washington. Hats off to LaRussa for the job he did in just getting there period. After being as far out as the Reds were in August then pulling off the championship just shows what a difference that good management can do in keeping the ship afloat and finishing instead of folding like the Reds did.

    Hats off to the Cards GM for making the deadline deals that made such a difference. Unfortunately, the Reds GM was not able to display the negotiating skills necessary to achieve the similar results required to improve the team when such action was obviously needed to salvage a season.

  15. @AndyS: Andy I agree. The post season was great. d The great game of Baseball was the winner and that counts in my mind. I enjoyed the season even though my favorite team, the Cincinnati Reds did not perform as we all had hoped. Both the Cards and Brewers were better teams. All of this Cardinal bashing is getting a little old. Lets move on.I enjoy this blog because its full of of good people with a passion for Baseball and the Cincinnati Reds in particular. As you say we’re better than that. Lets turn our attention to how best to compete and beat the Cards and Brewers, Cubs etc next season. Right ?

  16. @George Culver:

    Well said(typed) GC. yes, definitely some envy the cards won WS. Though I am glad for some of thier players, Berkman, Rhodes to name a couple, for finally getting a ring. Annoyance that Carpenter, Larussa, Molina get to enjoy a title given thier antics.

    the cards org made a move for the now to win, giving up a young talent in Colby Rasmus to help team win with the aging super star in Pujols. And it paid off big time for them with a title and “MAY” have side benefit of having Pujols having good vibes and coming off his rumored 10yr/$300M demands and return to St Louis.

    Go 2012 Reds! Walt, the pressure is now going to be really on you!

  17. Don’t have much faith in this organization. They will do it on the cheap. And the money they do spend won’t be spent well.

  18. @Truman48: And I wasn’t able to root for the Cardinals even though my 90 something father is a life-long Cardinal fan.
    The main consolation in this for me is the congratulatory call to him.

  19. @George Culver: Being precise, the Cards deadline deals gave them a modest improvement. Yes, without it they would not have made the postseason. But it is inaccurate, as all the media has been saying, that those deals were the key. What was the key is that the core part of the team played out of their minds. The deadline deals did not bring them Pujols, Berkman, Freese, Craig, Motte, Lohse, etc.

  20. @MikeC: @Truman48: Great point about the ’75 Reds and what they accomplished in winning game 7. In this respect I thought of the teams you mention – the ’86 Red Sox, the ’85 Cardinals, Dusty’s Cubs.

    The ’85 Cards completely fell apart in Game 7, losing 10-0 I think, with the starter J. Andujar getting ejected. Herzog was furious at the umps (Denkinger’s life was never the same) and I think he got ejected in Game 7 too.

  21. @Dave Lowenthal: I agree with you that the media is exaggerating the impact of the deadline deals. As you say, the core was already there. And the bullpen improved more due to the guys already there than the guys they brought in.

    But there were two key additions. Before the arrival of Furcal, the Cards middle IF defense was terrible. He had a major impact. Saw him take away an apparent walkoff win from the Brewers in August with an all out full speed over the shoulder catch of a popup after Holliday had broken back on the ball.
    The Cardinals went on to win in extras.

    Also with the loss of Wainwright, they still needed another good starter as of July. Edwin Jackson was the other key addition.

  22. @doctor: It was nice to see Arthur Rhodes get a ring. I’m not a Berkman fan, but he certainly deserved his.

  23. Ron Washington is indeed a worse manager than Dusty. He might be the worst in baseball.

  24. PS Actually that was 3 runs on 3 walks and 2 HBP in the 5th, where one of the walks was intentional. And then there were the two first inning walks that led to 2 runs after Freese’s double.

  25. @Myles: “Their (the Rangers) fielding wasn’t much better.” Agreed, and defense was supposed to a big advantage for the Rangers. In game 6 their defense – along with the walks – lost the game. Young right now is one of the worst IFers I’ve ever seen. And I still don’t know what happened with Nelson Cruz on what should have been the final out of the series in Game 6.

    Post-game commentators said he didn’t know where the wall was and backed off. I heard a Rangers’ broadcaster say that he suspected (but hadn’t confirmed) that Cruz had injured his groin before the play, because he just wasn’t running as he usually does. Oh well.

  26. @AndyS: @littleleo1: I agree that this was a great postseason. I enjoyed it until the end of Game 6 of the WS. At that point I felt badly for the Rangers and their fans. But then again it was an incredible Game 6, one I’ll never forget.

  27. Congrats to the Cards. Baseball is a funny game sometimes. Now let the improving of the Reds begin. It should be an interesting off season. I think the Reds need to make some decisive moves to keep the good will with the fans they gained with the 2010 playoff appearance. Standing pat is not an option this off season.

    • Tom D.: Congrats to the Cards.Baseball is a funny game sometimes.Now let the improving of the Reds begin.It should be an interesting off season.I think the Reds need to make some decisive moves to keep the good will with the fans they gained with the 2010 playoff appearance.Standing pat is not an option this off season.

      Nice post. Congrats to the Cards indeed. And as you were writing that standing pat is not an option this season, so was I.

  28. There are always silver linings. The Cardinals told WJ to get lost, they don’t need him to win. And as it turns out, they didn’t. If this doesn’t light a fire under him, nothing will. This off-season things are much more clear than last off-season.
    The Reds are not good enough to contend in the Central with the team they have now.

    Areas of weakness were evident before 2011, now they’re painfully obvious. Time to earn your big salary, WJ.

  29. Another positive is that the NL does not get the proper respect, and the NL Central gets even less respect than that. As a fan of the NL and the NL Central, I’m pleased.

    Now the Reds should understand that if they win the NL Central in 2012, there is no reason to be intimidated by the postseason.

  30. @Pinson and Diesman: Amen for needing to improve. Show us something Ownership/Management.

  31. The Cards winning the WS helps their revenue and I think Albert will feel more strongly about staying.

    Now the Reds need to get better. Among other things, that will improve revenue and make Joey more interested in staying.

  32. I think the Reds should bet big on Chapman by trading some of their other young starting pitching, in a package, for an impact player.
    Realistically they need a heck of a lot of pitching help and can’t likely afford to pay two established starters, so just getting one would be a huge triumph for Mr Crickets the GM.

  33. Gotta give the birds their due–thru sheer force of will they pieced together enough timely contributions to make it work. I always get burned underestimating them. That said, there’s always a hangover effect from playing an extra month and I don’t know if Wainwright will make up for that (there I go unerestimating them again). Let them overpay for Pujol’s and Holliday’s decline phase, let them resign Furcal/Rhodes/Berkman and we’ll sit back and watch them turn into the Cubs. It’s natural to blame ourselves for not catching lightning in a bottle twice in the last decade, but there’s probably 20 other teams wondering the same thing. We just need to focus on ourselves, and it starts with finding manager who burns to win as bad as TLR (Kirk Gibson anyone?). Beyond that, we need an impact pitcher. I’ll be incredibly disappointed if we don’t swing a trade for a #1-2 type pitcher this offseason.

  34. @Myles: I agree. But at this point I don’t want to trade Leake, because if the Reds include him as part of a package of pitchers for one in return, it doesn’t help the depth of the pitching staff.

    So keep Cueto, Leake, and Chapman, and use the other young ones to help land a stud starter.

    I’m concerned about Chapman though. He’s got to start throwing strikes.

  35. @Myles: Ha!!! That’s awesome. Until further notice (an impact trade), Jocketty shall be addressed as Mr. Crickets.

  36. @Sultan of Swaff:
    I also like it and shall participate.

    Make the Reds better or lose even more of the fan base.

  37. A few hours after I agree with the sentiment of let’s get over paying so much attention to the Cardinals, Tony LaRussa comes out with this: “The game has never seen a better catcher than YADIER MOLINA.”

    Good grief. If Sparky were alive today, he’d repeat his famous statement: “Don’t ever embarrass a catcher by comparing him with Johnny Bench.”

  38. @Matt WI: Yep, Chad’s a tongue in cheek kind of guy. With the written word, it can be easy to think that every statement is dead serious.

  39. @pinson343: Yep. Good rule of thumb: If you’re not sure, ask before you blast somebody. Chad’s only been running this site for years, I’m pretty sure he’s a big Reds and baseball fan. He might be a Cubs fan though 😀

  40. @pinson343: You’re forgetting all of Furcal’s errors, and that Jackson took a good number of starts away from Lohse for reasons that still aren’t known, and Lohse pitched at least as well as Jackson. But I think we agree in general. They needed the trade to make the postseason.

    But the Cards media is proclaiming Mozeliak a genius, despite the fact that if the Braves had just not completely collapsed (say, won two more games), they’d have quite possibly called for him to be fired. (They called the deal an “all in deal” and “risky”.) I think one would have to admit, it can’t be that extreme on both ends, to where the difference of two games by the Braves makes the deal either brilliant or stupid.

  41. @MikeC: RE: Mike the 75 Reds were remarkable. Apparently Rose saw Sparky in the tunnel saying ” what a great game of baseball Spark” To which Sparky syas ” Yeah but what about tomorrow?” Rose- No worries Sparky we will win” Love the bravado yet there is much to talk about the Reds of the early 70s. Forbes had a great article.

  42. @pinson343: If I’d have put my money where my mouth was, I believe I saw some guy put 250 bucks on the Cards to win the WS on the 12th of Sep (this was a bit before my prediction, but let’s just say…). He won $375,000.

    • @pinson343: If I’d have put my money where my mouth was, Ibelieve I saw some guy put 250 bucks on the Cards to win the WS on the 12th of Sep (this was a bit before my prediction, but let’s just say…).He won $375,000.

      He had one ticket for winning the NLCS and double that if they won the World Series. You read it right.

  43. @Tom Diesman: Frankly, we don’t need to congratulate the Cards here. Let the “impartial” St. Louis media do that. (Isn’t the media supposed to be neutral? It really is quite amazing how their media violates any kind of actual principles I thought media was supposed to have. I prefer my media to be unbiased, not Marty Brennaman, say, but not cheerleaders either.)

    I’m not sure if the articles in the St. Louis papers are written by the PR staff of the organization itself, at times.

  44. @Dave Lowenthal: I didn’t forget Furcal’s errors. He was still an important addition. His range and throwing arm are still there, some nice defense helped them beat the Phillies. And his offense picked up though he didn’t hit a lick in the WS.

    Jackson pitched well for the Cardinals, giving the starting rotation more depth, allowing McLellen to return to the bullpen. He replaced Westbrook in the postseason as one of the 4 starters.

    But you’re right we agree in general.

  45. @Dave Lowenthal: About the money you could have won, I felt the Giants were going to win it all in 2010 after watching them (in SF) play the Reds in August. Could have won some money there.

    But betting on baseball would drive me crazy.

  46. @SFredsfan: It was widely reported the next day that Rose said that to Sparky after Game 6. Also after Sparky was all kinds of nervous after the Reds fell behind in Game 7, Tony Perez told him there was nothing to worry about. I read also that Bench said it, maybe they both did.

  47. Enough said. The Cards pulled it off. Congratulations. Look forward to opening day and, in the intervening months, our GM making a couple big trades to get us a #1 starter and a righthanded cleanup hitter to bat between Votto and Bruce.

  48. I have a question. If Yadier Molina is the “best catcher that ever lived”, does that mean that we will see this headline in the Enquirer…”Molina and the Cards set to take on the Reds in a battle of NL Central contenders?” If he is the best catcher that ever lived then Albert Pujols would need to be mentioned in the same breath as Lou Gehrig! Just saying!

  49. Wow, La Russa just retired. I’m guessing this might mean Terry Francona to the Cardinals

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About Chad Dotson

Blame Chad for creating this mess. Chad launched Redleg Nation in February 2005, and has been writing about the Reds ever since. His first book, "The Big 50: The Men and Moments That Made the Cincinnati Reds" is now available in bookstores and online, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and wherever fine books are sold. You can also find Chad's musings about the Cincinnati Reds in the pages of Cincinnati Magazine. You can email Chad at chaddotson@redlegnation.com.

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