GM Walt Jocketty felt the need to go on the record:

“We haven’t talked about it. I wish that people would stop writing it,” Jocketty said. “Why would we trade one of the best players in the game? We’re trying to win.”

Believe him if you want. I would love to see Votto finish his career in Cincinnati, but the Reds are going to have some hard decisions to make as he approaches free agency.

Of course, I don’t think the Reds will trade Votto in 2012, at any rate. No reason to jump the gun; if he isn’t going to sign an extension with Cincinnati, though, the Reds are going to have to explore their options.

That said, I’m not sure why anyone would take anything Jocketty says publicly at face value. He could be telling the truth, or he could be lying. And guess what? I don’t care. Jocketty’s job can be performed more effectively, often, by playing his cards close to the vest. If a little misdirection in his public comments helps him do his job, more power to him.

Blame Chad for creating this mess.

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Join the conversation! 41 Comments

  1. Walt Jocketty’s like a pinata, full of surprises! I don’t put much stock in his public quotes either, but I do hope they adopt the “win now” mindset and just go for broke these next two years and go try for a title with Votto. I like their chances a whole lot more with him on the team.

    I will say this about Joey though, he didn’t have to avoid arb with the Reds. He could havee gone year-to-year and become a much more wealthy man in three years’ time. He’s either playing it safe in case of injury, or he really was trying to give the Reds a break; $9 million for his production next year is an insane steal.

    Joey seems like a different kind of guy, just from reading his interviews. I truly believe that money isn’t everything to him, but he believes in being fairly compensated just for the sake of the game’s economics, if that makes sense. I can also understand him not wanting to commit to a place for too long or before being too sure. In fact, that may mean he’d ask for only a 5-year deal or something similar after 2013. A shorter contract would probably be better for the Reds anyway. He seems to like to avoid the big markets. Also, we must consider what teams may be in the mix for him after 2013. i highly doubt Joey would allow himself to become a DH, not with how hard he’s worked at first.

    The only way they’ll be able to afford him is if attendance steps up, and if they can get creative with payroll. Best way to increase attendance is to win more, and Joey greatly increases the amount of games won. Another thing to factor in is that Jocketty’s the GM through 2014, so he’ll be at the helm win this situation comes to its climax. It’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out in 2 years, a lot can change in that time.

  2. Fay’s account begins:

    “Walt Jocketty angrily denied a report by ESPN’s Buster Olney that the Reds are listening to trade offers on Joey Votto.”

    Fay goes to quote Jocketty saying that:

    “Everyone is assuming they know our business,” Jocketty said. “They don’t. Then they write this and I have to call Joey and his agent and let them know there is nothing to it. It’s not fair.”

    This is enough to make a person wonder if perhaps the original Olney story wasn’t well sourced disinformation planted by someone looking to cause problems for Jocketty and the Reds.

    For all we know perhaps there are delicate negotiations going on right now between the Reds and Votto that could result in his current contract being torn up and turned into a deal that would buy a couple or 3 years of free agency at good rate for the Reds like say 5 years starting with the 2012 season at $100M total.

    If I am an opposing org and get wind of this, what better way to try and stop it than by planting doubts about the Reds motives with Votto (i.e. is it a sign and trade gambit?) than by planting a story that the Reds are open to offers on Votto. Remember, a 6 year vested player signed to a multi year deal who is traded no longer has the right to demand renegotiation/ free agency after 1 year with his new team.

  3. I doubt that Olney had much at all to go on for his story. Something like calling a rival GM and asking if he thinks the Reds would entertain a substantial offer for Votto and the guy says “Maybe, considering the obvious payroll limitations.”

    WJ does hold his cards close to his vest and misdirect a little sometimes, but I’ve never seen him fake anger, and he’s pissed off this time. He’s trying to convince Reds fans that he and the ownership are serious about winning, and 2011 was a setback, as far as that goes. Now Olney makes an unfounded statement that amounts to saying that the Reds are ready to give up on 2012 and 2013 and of course it pisses WJ off.

    Anyway he should just focus on pulling off a deal for a top of the rotation starter. Without that, I don’t see the Reds contending next year.

  4. Ahhhh. Did poor Walt have to raise his rear end off his hands and walk over to the mike to answer an question that was obviously coming. Tough gig.

  5. I’m sorry, but the Reds CANNOT afford Votto after 2013. It’s just the truth. Market contracts for FA first basemen are upwards of $25 million per year. Teixeira, Gonzalez, Cabrera and Howard are all making 20 million a season. Pujols and Fielder are about to join them. A 20 million contract would mean Votto would account for 25% of the Reds’ total payroll. The Reds just cannot afford to do that, and this is why speculation that the Reds would listen to offers has meat.

    Toronto is a logical choice. One deal that could work is Votto and Cozart for Escobar, Lind and Drabek. Escobar is under team control for 4 years at 5 million per, was 3rd in WAR among shortstops, and hits leadoff. Lind fills the LF void and Drabek is a top of the rotation prospect (even though his control wasn’t the best this season). There’s a history of doing deals between the clubs, and Votto would return to his home town.

    Seattle is another good match. I read the U.S.S. Mariner blog where they floated a Pineda and others for Votto scenario. Seattle may need to include League and a prospect, but that would make a pretty good haul as well.

    • I’m sorry, but the Reds CANNOT afford Votto after 2013.It’s just the truth.Market contracts for FA first basemen are upwards of $25 million per year.Teixeira, Gonzalez, Cabrera and Howard are all making 20 million a season.Pujols and Fielder are about to join them.A 20 million contract would mean Votto would account for 25% of the Reds’ total payroll.The Reds just cannot afford to do that, and this is why speculation that the Reds would listen to offers has meat.

      Toronto is a logical choice.One deal that could work is Votto and Cozart for Escobar, Lind and Drabek.Escobar is under team control for 4 years at 5 million per, was 3rd in WAR among shortstops, and hits leadoff.Lind fills the LF void and Drabek is a top of the rotation prospect (even though his control wasn’t the best this season).There’s a history of doing deals between the clubs, and Votto would return to his home town.

      Seattle is another good match.I read the U.S.S. Mariner blog where they floated a Pineda and others for Votto scenario.Seattle may need to include League and a prospect, but that would make a pretty good haul as well.

      No way I make that deal to the Jays

  6. Walt is, possibly, the best GM in baseball. Most of the comments that I see, that are trying to put him down, are from whiners, not winners. Nothing could ever please them. It will be interesting to see what they whine about when the Reds become big time winners. My advice to those whiners, is to become a real baseball, and knowledgeable fan, by loving the game. Remember that no one can win all of the time. Please, just enjoy the game!

  7. Votto will be a Red if Bob wants Votto to be a Red and it won’t impact the budget that much. Bob is the type of owner where he will spend the monies needed if “HE” thinks it’s good for the city, the fans and the team. Votto will remain a Red if Votto wants to be, because unless some team offers him stupid monies like 30+ million a year, Bob will match the offers.

    • Votto will be a Red if Bob wants Votto to be a Red and it won’t impact the budget that much. Bob is the type of owner where he will spend the monies needed if “HE” thinks it’s good for the city, the fans and the team. Votto will remain a Red if Votto wants to be, because unless some team offers him stupid monies like 30+ million a year, Bob will match the offers.

      Given that ownership has never dished out a $20 million/year contract, what makes you believe that the Reds would give Votto a 7 year $150 million contract?

  8. @David:

    Because it’s Votto and he is unique and special. Name me any other Reds player on the roster worth it? Bob won’t spend that type of player who isn’t a Red, but for Votto he will.

  9. @Ethan D: Why? Escobar has 17 WAR in 639 career games. Votto, has a 22 WAR in 617 games. Escobar is under team control for four years and will make $20 million. Votto is under team control for two years and will make $26 million. Escobar fills two areas of need – SS and leadoff.

    Drabek gives them a potential top of the rotation starter (with a middle rotation floor) under team control for five years.

    Don’t like Lind and his team control through 2014? Okay. Let’s build around Brett Lawrie and add some pieces on Cincinnati’s side. The point is, Toronto has interest, payroll flexibility and young players available to make a deal.

  10. @dn4192: The Reds are a middle market team that doesn’t have the ability to devote that much payroll on one player, especially when Votto will be 30 when his current contract expires. Do you want to pay Votto $22 million for his 35-37 seasons, when you could be paying Alonso 4 million for his prime years?

    Maybe Alonso is 80% the offensive player. Fine. You also save $100 million which can be devoted to other areas of weakness i.e. starting pitching.

  11. Votto is an MVP, as like with Albert, part of his contract will be an overpay, but MLB does that all time. Again the Reds overall franchise won’t be hurt by this deal as this will be a “special” deal that Bob makes because it’s the best for the franchise, the city and it’s fans. That is how Bob operates.

    Plus Yonder will be gone during the offseason, he will be packaged in a deal for this TOR guy everyone is screaming for.

    • Votto is an MVP, as like with Albert, part of his contract will be an overpay, but MLB does that all time. Again the Reds overall franchise won’t be hurt by this deal as this will be a “special” deal that Bob makes because it’s the best for the franchise, the city and it’s fans. That is how Bob operates. Plus Yonder will be gone during the offseason, he will be packaged in a deal for this TOR guy everyone is screaming for.

      The team’s payroll would have to jump 10-15 million or be decreased (more likely) by the same.

  12. It bothers me a little that a Votto trade would be perceived as giving up on 2012 and 2013, and I mostly blame the media. Teams win in all sorts of ways, and it depends on what the team gets back. An ace and a LFer? Plug in Alonso and enjoy the bump in production from LF and the pitching staff.

  13. @David:

    And it will jump because it’s Votto. Again it’s a special player in a special circumstance. Bob is a unique owner who has the revenue but doesn’t want a runaway payroll. How many were shocked when the Reds signed Chapman? How many here thought there was no way in heck that the Reds would ever be in the bidding war for that kid. But Walt let Bob know what having that kid would do and well “poof” there was the monies. Now with Votto, again “poof” the money will apear.

  14. If the Reds wait until 2013, it’s going to be very tough to keep Joey, unless – as some feel – Bob decides he HAS to stay and matches all offers.

    But there’s a middle ground – extend Joey’s current contract now on generous terms thru 2015 or 2016. That way Joey can still have his fling with free agency and possibly playing with Toronto – but the Reds lock him up thru his most productive years.

    A big part of the problem with waiting until 2013 is that if Bob matches all offers, that will amount to at least a 7 or 8 year deal with a huge annual figure, and the Reds end up paying an old man lots of money. We’ve been down that road before (sorry, Barry and Junior) and the Reds can’t afford it.

  15. I agree with those that say if BobC wants to sign Votto; and Votto is willing to stay in Cincy for a ballpark market amount then the deal will get done.

    Part of my reasoning in suggesting previously that negotiations may be going on right now is that one way the Reds could minimize the cost of such a deal is to do it now and essentially “overpay” for the Votto’s last two years of arbitration eligibility and in turn for getting the next two or three years at a slightly less amount.

    In this scenario, the last two years of the current contract goe away and become the first two years of the new long term contract. I suggested 5 years, starting with 2012, because that is what I think works best for both the club and the player given Votto’s current age.

    Simply put, by paying an “extra” two or three million a year on top of the previously agreed salary for ’12 and ’13 the club can knock that money off of the back end of a 5 year deal. It is a matter of flattening the hit. Throw in a deferred payment schedule and the annual hit is getting to the neighborhood the club would probably be willing support in turn for having the next 5 years of Joey Votto on their side.

    Jocketty did some creative deals in StLouis with the likes of Pujols et al. There is no reason to think he can’t get one done here if his ownership gives him the leeway to work with.

  16. @dn4192: 6 years/30 million for a 21 year old is a HECK of a lot different than 7 years/150 million for a 30 year old.

    You keep acting like you know Bob. You don’t, and there is no indication that ownership is willing to front 20-25 million a year for one player. Moreover, the Reds SHOULD NOT devote $150 million for a 30 year old Votto any more than the Reds should pay $50 million for a 30 year old Phillips.

    • @dn4192: 6 years/30 million for a 21 year old is a HECK of a lot different than 7 years/150 million for a 30 year old.You keep acting like you know Bob. You don’t, and there is no indication that ownership is willing to front 20-25 million a year for one player. Moreover, the Reds SHOULD NOT devote $150 million for a 30 year old Votto any more than the Reds should pay $50 million for a 30 year old Phillips.

      Listen when Bob talks, the building of a “family” team in cincy is important to him, winning is important to him and having the fans on his side is HUGE. Trust me, unless the contract offer to Votto from team X is just straight out outragous, Bob will agree to match it. Also watch for Brandon to be here for anoter 3-5 years at a respectable contract.

  17. Look at the two teams from the NL still playing…also teams from the Reds division. Both have stars at First Base in Pujols and Fielder. If you get 3 prospects that pan out maybe it’s a good trade to trade Votto.

    But overall, trading an MVP firstbaseman when he has 2 years left (not 1! like it seems people imply for some reason) on his contract seems silly in most realms.

    I guess maybe 2010 was a total fluke…but if it wasn’t then the Reds aren’t far off. Maybe a change in LF, 3B, SS, or CF along with a another good starting pitcher are the real answers. Trading Votto may get you prospects at those positions, but once again you’re rebuilding.

    Another interesting thing is that I don’t think the Brew Crew or Cards are known for their defense, although they both upgraded a bit during the season. But if the Cards can make the playoffs with Berkman in Right, then I think the Reds could make it with Yonder Alonso in left field.

    My biggest worries would be 3rd base and centerfield going into next season. Stubbs and Rolen/Juan Francisco need to produce at a decent level. Does Rolen have anything left?

  18. Lance McAllister was spending too much time worring about this ‘window’ for an opportune trade yesterday. He was convinced that only 1 year of control in trade would bring too little in return for a player of Joey’s caliber.

    We had an atrocious year last year, that has been covered. I think the Reds owe it to themselves to keep Votto, Bruce, Phillips, and Rolen together at least one more year with a generous helping the NKOTB, Alonso, Cozart, Francisco, and Mes.

    The rotation CANT be as bad as it was last year, right? We averaged a winning record against the two teams competing for the NLCS!

  19. @JerBear: You aren’t going to get prospects for Votto. You are going to get major league talent. The speculation started with packages like Yunel Escobar and Kyle Drabek in a deal with Toronto or Michael Pineda and Brandon League in a deal with Seattle. I’m not saying that you don’t compare packages centered around Alonso, but I am of the opinion that 4-5 years of two to three young, proven players benefits this team far more than two years of Votto.

    Let’s assume that the Reds trade Votto to the Mariners for Pineda, Trayvon Robinson and League. Let’s also assume the Reds sign Cuddyer or Aramis Ramirez as a FA to a 3 year 30 million contract.

    The rotation is now a 25 yr old Cueto (119), 22 yr old Pineda (122), 23 yr old Leake (102), 23 yr old Chapman (117), 25 yr Bailey (98). (tRA+ is in parens).

    Your bullpen is Arroyo, LeCure, Bray, Boxberger, and League with some hodge podge of Massett, Ondrusek, Burton, etc.

    The lineup is

    1. Robinson (LF)
    2. Phillips (2B)
    3. Alonso (1B)
    4. Cuddyer/Ramirez (3B)
    5. Bruce (RF)
    6. Mesoraco (C)
    7. Stubbs (CF)
    8. Cozart (SS)

    The Reds still have Wood, Francisco, Grandal, Hamilton, Frazier, Heisey, and all of its other propsects for which the Reds can continue to add pieces. The Reds have a GREAT young rotation, a solid cost effective bullpen (less Arroyo), and an offense whose center pieces are under team control for 5 years. This is a team that could continue to play together for 4-5 years without dramatically changing payroll.

    • @JerBear: You aren’t going to get prospects for Votto. You are going to get major league talent. The speculation started with packages like Yunel Escobar and Kyle Drabek in a deal with Toronto or Michael Pineda and Brandon League in a deal with Seattle. I’m not saying that you don’t compare packages centered around Alonso, but I am of the opinion that 4-5 years of two to three young, proven players benefits this team far more than two years of Votto.Let’s assume that the Reds trade Votto to the Mariners for Pineda, Trayvon Robinson and League. Let’s also assume the Reds sign Cuddyer or Aramis Ramirez as a FA to a 3 year 30 million contract.The rotation is now a 25 yr old Cueto (119), 22 yr old Pineda (122), 23 yr old Leake (102), 23 yr old Chapman (117), 25 yr Bailey (98). (tRA+ is in parens).Your bullpen is Arroyo, LeCure, Bray, Boxberger, and League with some hodge podge of Massett, Ondrusek, Burton, etc.The lineup is1. Robinson (LF)2. Phillips (2B)3. Alonso (1B)4. Cuddyer/Ramirez (3B)5. Bruce (RF)6. Mesoraco (C)7. Stubbs (CF)8. Cozart (SS) The Reds still have Wood, Francisco, Grandal, Hamilton, Frazier, Heisey, and all of its other propsects for which the Reds can continue to add pieces. The Reds have a GREAT young rotation, a solid cost effective bullpen (less Arroyo), and an offense whose center pieces are under team control for 5 years. This is a team that could continue to play together for 4-5 years without dramatically changing payroll.

      Why would any team trade for Votto unless they know the can sign him to a long term deal or just wait for him to be a FA. I dont’ see any trade happening with Votto unless the Reds are willing to just give him away.

  20. @dn4192: Here’s the fault of your logic: you believe the Reds will invest $150 million in a 30 year old Joey Votto. Not only do I think the Reds do not have the money to make that deal, but I believe locking up 25-30% of the Reds’ payroll for six to seven years on one player is irresponsible. The Rangers went bankrupt because they gave an absurd contract to one player. Do you want the Reds to be in that position?

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trading-joey-votto/

    Read the article.

    • @dn4192: Here’s the fault of your logic: you believe the Reds will invest $150 million in a 30 year old Joey Votto. Not only do I think the Reds do not have the money to make that deal, but I believe locking up 25-30% of the Reds’ payroll for six to seven years on one player is irresponsible. The Rangers went bankrupt because they gave an absurd contract to one player. Do you want the Reds to be in that position?http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trading-joey-votto/Read the article.

      Never said logic was involved. I am just saying that Bob Castallini is the type of owner that will find the money. You want this handled from a perspective that neither Walt and Bob are looking at it.

  21. @dn4192: Let me clue you in on something. Castellini, with an ‘e’, led a group of investors who bought the Reds for $270 million in 2006. Castellini himself did not pony up $270 million himself. Forbes estimates that the Reds are currently worth $375 million. Revenue is estimated at $179 million per year, with a gross operating income of $20.1 million (before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization). Payroll in 2010 was approximately $72 million, which means right around $80 million is spent running the organization, servicing debts, etc. You are suggesting Castellini will ignore his better business sense only to pay Votto approximately half of what it cost him to buy the team in 2006.

    Give me one example of Castellini pouring an influx of capital into the Reds from his own coffers in order to finance a fool hardy business decision? If the Reds were prepared to give Votto market value, it would have happened already. There is a reason why billionaire owners don’t have 300 million dollar payrolls even though they hypothetically could. Baseball is a business and the sooner you understand the economics of baseball, the quicker you will see that the Reds cannot keep Votto AND field a winning franchise past 2014.

    • @David: Let me clue you in on something. Castellini, with an ‘e’, led a group of investors who bought the Reds for $270 million in 2006. Castellini himself did not pony up $270 million himself. Forbes estimates that the Reds are currently worth $375 million. Revenue is estimated at $179 million per year, with a gross operating income of $20.1 million (before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization). Payroll in 2010 was approximately $72 million, which means right around $80 million is spent running the organization, servicing debts, etc. You are suggesting Castellini will ignore his better business sense only to pay Votto approximately half of what it cost him to buy the team in 2006.Give me one example of Castellini pouring an influx of capital into the Reds from his own coffers in order to finance a fool hardy business decision? If the Reds were prepared to give Votto market value, it would have happened already. There is a reason why billionaire owners don’t have 300 million dollar payrolls even though they hypothetically could. Baseball is a business and the sooner you understand the economics of baseball, the quicker you will see that the Reds cannot keep Votto AND field a winning franchise past 2014.

      Votto doesn’t have a long term deal right now because Votto, not the Reds didn’t want to ink one.

      Second, Bob is not looking at the Reds as a business venture, he wants to be the “man” who brought winning back to the “GRAND” Cincinnti franchise and in this one case will if need be into his own pocket to get a deal done with Votto within reason. You are looking at this from a buisness/numbers perspective and with Bob you can’t. He wanted Scott Rolen here and he got it done and way overpaid to have him be part of this franchise. He stepped up and spent on an “unkown” kid from Cuba who can throw 100+ MPH because he knew it would put people in the seats.

      Again, the signing is not and will not be the smart baseball or logical thing to do, just as it won’t be for the Cards to way overpay with a long term very expensive deal For Albert, but it will happen…these things just happen in sports.

  22. @David: Sell the team to Mark Cuban then! 😆

  23. @OhioJim: Your suggestion for a creative solution by WJ seems very similar to mine (just above yours), with a little more detail thrown in. Not that I’m complaining, that’s a good thing.

    And we can hope that WJ is working on such an extension. Maybe that’s why he got so pissed off by the trade rumor, feeling it disrupted his negotiation with Votto’s agent.

  24. 2 things…

    If Castellini wants to overspend for his favorite players, that’s fine, but then we can’t also get to the deadline and say “well we’re already spending $81M so we don’t have much wiggle room”. No, X amount of dollars would be the amount “overspent” on Votto/Rolen/whoever, so those should be subtracted out. I have serious doubts that would actually happen, so “coming out of his own pockets” suddenly becomes normal payroll and the advantage disappears.

    I love Votto and I can’t think of a superstar I’d rather have on this team. But part of me wants to see him traded because I’m a little tired of the status quo. “We can’t trade Votto he’s the 3rd best player in baseball!” “We can’t let Phillips go he’s the 2nd best 2B in the NL!!” “We can’t let Cordero close we don’t have anyone else who has been arbitrarily tagged as a closer!!!” I’m not saying those statements are equal, but see the slippery slope there? It’s foolish to think that a team can’t win with 1 individual player. What wins in evaluating your assets accurate and deploying them in the best way possible. The Reds have an overflow of assets at 1B. They should be exploring ways to deploy them such that one gets moved to another team in exchange for pitching. Period. The one who moves should be the one who’s included in the deal that makes the most sense.

  25. … Cordero leave* …

  26. @dn4192: Chapman was hardly “unknown.” As soon as word broke of him defecting, nearly every GM in baseball was in on him.

  27. @Aaron Lehr: I agree with your observation except the ‘overflow of assets at 1B’. Perhaps an overflow of assets from the left hand side of the plate but one other natural 1st baseman is not a plethora. As others have pointed out, Berkman is on the verge of helping his WLB’s to an unlikely WS appearance as a poor, converted corner OF at the end of his career. Why can’t Yonder do similarly as a 24 year old?

  28. @David:

    What was unkown was how he would do in MLB. Sure they had some info on him, but with any player coming out of Cuba there is also huge question marks and yet here is little ole small/mid market Reds stepping up and signing this kid over all the big boys. You can’t tell me that anyone here really thought the Reds would even have a shot.

  29. @rightsaidred: I’ve had the same thought about Berkman, who has not turned out to be as much of a liability in RF as I and most people thought. He had some problems in the early season, but is decent now.

    If a 35 year old with bad knees can play RF, why can’t Alonso play LF ? My guess is that the Reds are going this way (telling him that’s his position, lose weight, etc.) and are not going to trade him.

    • @rightsaidred: I’ve had the same thought about Berkman, who has not turned out to be as much of a liability in RF as I and most people thought. He had some problems in the early season, but is decent now.If a 35 year old with bad knees can play RF, why can’t Alonso play LF ? My guess is that the Reds are going this way (telling him that’s his position, lose weight, etc.) and are not going to trade him.

      If the Reds are serious about obtaining a TOR pitcher any deal is going to have to include Yonder.

  30. @dn4192: I think that’s ultimately the point here. The Reds need pitching, and they should choose any logical path available to them to get there. There is no one way to do it, but they have enough pieces that they should trade position players/prospects to get a very high quality pitcher.

    I agree, having a bench player who is capable of playing first is not a surpluss, but Alonso doesn’t fit that description. He’s a solid prospect who at this point has alot of value thanks to his successful partial season.

  31. I’d split time with Yonder, Heisey and Stubbs between left and center and try with all my might to give a deal to Votto to pay him a bit more and yet keep him around for a couple more years.

    I don’t think the Reds need to make a deal for JV at all, they just need to figure away to put off the apocalypse of his leaving.

    My thing with Joey is that you already have the Yanks and Sox signed long term to 1b prospects. Someone is going to sign both Pujols and Fielder to big deals this off season…who is left to sign Votto?

    ATL… no way, it’s not 94
    Whitesox… maybe but they have Konerko hanging around.
    PHils have big boy at first.
    Angels…maybe but their owner is kind of a skin thrift.
    Mets or Dodgers…maybe but both are a sick mess right now.

    Wben you get to that point…the Reds don’t look that bad. I’d think Votto knows if he can make it work here, the guy could be a legend some one with a statue. I think that JBruce kind of buys into that a bit (which is cool). Cincy is weird, but it’s a good place to be a ballplayer. I just hope that JV buys in.

    BlueJays might have the money, but they got the big dogs to get over.

  32. @dn4192: I don’t get that. It depends on the needs of the team the Reds are trading with. If a team needs a first baseman, yes, they’ll highly likely insist on Yonder.

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