2011 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap

Let’s recap today’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
Milwaukee 8
Cincinnati 1

W: Greinke (15-6)
L: Maloney (0-3)
BOX SCORE

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–The Reds were playing decent baseball and the Brewers were scuffling before Milwaukee came to town. Three games later, and…ugh.

–Cincinnati has to win eight of their last nine to finish with a winning record. They have to go 7-2 to finish at .500.

–The Reds have a total of four hits in the last two games. That’s just terrible.

–By and large, the pitching staff did well today…other than starter Matt Maloney, who gave up seven runs on nine hits in one and a third inning. The Brewers started the game with a double, a homer, a single, another homer, and a second double. Game over.

–That’s the first Milwaukee sweep in Cincinnati since 2003.

–Maloney pitched because Dontrelle Willis was scratched late with back spasms.

–Ugly:

Go home, Brewers.

19 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap

  1. Looking at the starting pitcher match ups prior to the series, I found if unlikely that the Reds would win a game.

    Without Cueto and Leake, the remaining 9 games are all in doubt.
    Speaking of which, Houston has Happ (who’s pitched well recently) and then Norris and Wandy pitching. That could get very embarrassing.
    Hopefully Homer wins his game. And with Maloney having “pitched” today, Wood hopefully will pitch tomorrow. That would also give the Reds a good chance.

  2. Positives: Juan Francisco drew a walk. Chapman pitched an inning without allowing a walk. McGeehee flew out on ball 4, but it still counts.

    Ryan Braun is an amazing hitter. He singled off a Chapman slider today. I’m sure someone else has too, but can’t remember who. Generally everyone looks for the fastball and takes the slider, or swings and misses on it.

  3. I really hope the Reds give up their concern about a middle of the line-up RH bat and concentrate on their real weakness during the off-season – starting pitching. The Reds lead the NL in runs scored, but are 13th in pitching ERA. The line-up positions in question – LF, SS & 3B were filled in by the likes of Gomes, Renteria, and a missing in action Rolen. They can do better than that with what they have hands down. The only player leaving the team next year who was a strong contributor at the plate is Hernandez. And they have Mesaraco and Grandal to fill in that slot. Heisey looks like he could possibly be that RH bat in the middle of the line-up.

    I would absolutely not re-sign Cordero until they have exhausted any possibilities of upgrading the starting pitching. Coco’s $12 million could go a long way toward paying for a top notch pitcher.

    • I really hope the Reds give up their concern about a middle of the line-up RH bat and concentrate on their real weakness during the off-season – starting pitching. The Reds lead the NL in runs scored, but are 13th in pitching ERA. The line-up positions in question – LF, SS & 3B were filled in by the likes of Gomes, Renteria, and a missing in action Rolen. They can do better than that with what they have hands down. The only player leaving the team next year who was a strong contributor at the plate is Hernandez. And they have Mesaraco and Grandal to fill in that slot. Heisey looks like he could possibly be that RH bat in the middle of the line-up.

      I would absolutely not re-sign Cordero until they have exhausted any possibilities of upgrading the starting pitching. Coco’s $12 million could go a long way toward paying for a top notch pitcher.

      +1000

  4. I knew it wasn’t looking good this weekend just from the starting pitching match ups, but boy the Reds stunk up the joint this weekend.

  5. @MikeC:
    I really hope the Reds give up their concern about a middle of the line-up RH bat and concentrate on their real weakness during the off-season – starting pitching…. They can do better than that with what they have hands down. The only player leaving the team next year who was a strong contributor at the plate is Hernandez. ….

    The only problem I see with this is that other teams are going to want these internal replacements in return for the pitching the Reds need to seek.

  6. Exactly how did we do hitting and scoring this weekend? Sorry but give me a legit strong bat in the lineup and I will go with our pitching who will get better next year.

    • @dn4192: Wasn’t the starting pitching supposed to be better this season?

      Leake imporved, Cueto improved, Bronson was sick, EV was rushed back, Homer was hurt and has mental issues, Wood has struggled a bit and Chapman was missued.

      I think Cueto will improve even more next year as will Leake which gives you a nice 1-2 punch. I really believe when 100% healthy Bronson will bounce back to put up nice numbers next year. I still think Homer is a lost cause but that is me. I think EV is boarderline lost cause. I think Wood can match what Leake did this past year numbers wise which then gives us 4 good SP.

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        I would switch Bronson and Bailey in that analysis (Bronson was rushed back, but I cannot see a rebound as likely, and Bailey still has the chance to develop some consistency) but otherwise I think that is spot on.

    • Wasn’t the starting pitching supposed to be better this season?

      Check and mate. Cueto and Leake got better, Volquez and Arroyo went down the tubes, and Wood was eh, and Homer was Homer.

  7. To put a crude framework on it: The Reds are 2nd in the National League in scored. They have given up the 5th most runs in the NL. The top five teams in preventing runs have allowed under 600 runs, the Reds gave up 689 to date.

    Even in this past series, when the bats were bad, they still gave up: 6, 10, 8 runs. I always remind myself of the mid-90’s Tribe teams: You can mash all you want, you still have to pitch.

    • To put a crude framework on it: The Reds are 2nd in the National League in scored. They have given up the 5th most runs in the NL. The top five teams in preventing runs have allowed under 600 runs, the Reds gave up 689 to date. Even in this past series, when the bats were bad, they still gave up: 6, 10, 8 runs. I always remind myself of the mid-90′s Tribe teams: You can mash all you want, you still have to pitch.

      Really, how do you explain the NY Yankees this season?

  8. I agree with previous posters that the key to next year is the acquisition of a #1 starting pitcher to go with Cueto, Leake, Arroyo, Bailey or Woods. Let Cordero go and use that money for the #1 pitcher. Chapman becomes the closer. The offense has some punch with Bruce, Stubbs(move down in the batting order), Heisey/Alonso, Rolen/Francisco, Cozart/Valaika, Phillips, Votto, and Hannigan/Mesoraco. Frazier is the utility infielder and Sappelt the 4th. outfielder. As we all know, pitching and defense win.

  9. @dn4192:
    I think you’re trying to imply the Yankees are just mashing with bad pitching.

    But, using the same crude framework, I’d say I can explain the Yankees very easily… Did you notice that they have the 3rd best ERA (and given up the 3rd fewest overall runs) in the AL AND they have scored the second most runs? That’s a pretty good combo… there’s a narrative outthere that the Yankees can’t pitch. The numbers say elsewise.

    • @dn4192:I think you’re trying to imply the Yankees are just mashing with bad pitching. But, using the same crude framework, I’d say I can explain the Yankees very easily… Did you notice that they have the 3rd best ERA (and given up the 3rd fewest overall runs) in the AL AND they have scored the second most runs? That’s a pretty good combo… there’s a narrative outthere that the Yankees can’t pitch. The numbers say elsewise.

      even if it was true Yanks were just mashing thru AL East, still cant overlook that they have an ace in Sabathia to start any series.

  10. @dn4192: Also, just like those Tribe teams, scoring a lot can get you the playoffs, we’ll see if it gets them all the way home. We’ll see what Roy Halladay has to say about it anyway.

  11. In the best of all possible world’s, the Reds really could use both – another reliably dangerous bat in the middle of the lineup and a top of the rotation pitcher. They seem to struggle against the better pitchers. The stats are surprising in their ranking so high in offense. I assume that they fatten the stats up on the lower tier pitchers. Although the offense seems to disappear at times against mediocre pitchers as well.

    I don’t see how they can afford to get both a top of the rotation pitcher a good reliable power hitter. If I had to choose one I would lean toward the pitcher. Is one realistically available at a price that isn’t too high in money and/or prospects and/or players? Who but Votto would bring a top pitcher? Don’t even go there on Votto. Without Votto the offense collapses. I think there is a chance that someone (like Bailey, like Volquez) can get it together. Both have had flashes. Both have “stuff”. They are young (they really are) and Volquez was just back from surgery this year. It is certainly conceivable that he will be much better next year. Bailey always seems on the cusp and also had some health issues.

    On the offensive side there are some chance that one of many young options can become consistent. I have less hope on the offensive side but there is a chance.

    In the end it has to come down to who is offering what for what. Nobody is going to be giving away something for nothing. Nobody slam dunk good is going to be coming the Reds from free agency without a big price tag. I think the offense can be something we can live with, with what we’ve got. I would keep Brandon next year and/or extend him for a short period if the price and years are acceptable. I think he brings a lot to the table. I would bring back CoCo next year. I don’t think there is an in house solution next year. I don’t think there is a more “sure thing” closer on the open market or thru a trade that would be available at an acceptable price.

    Even with CoCo the bullpen needs shoring up. Not sure how that is going to happen either. I definitely don’t see it happening without CoCo. I look forward to next season but I am anxious about it. I have some hope but I just don’t know how it is all going to be pulled together.

    This turned out to be more of a ramble than I intended but at least I got some of it off my chest.

    • In the best of all possible world’s, the Reds really could use both – another reliably dangerous bat in the middle of the lineup and a top of the rotation pitcher.

      Throw in a true leadoff hitter and a new closer while you are at it.😀

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