The first-place Milwaukee Brewers come to town today to face a Reds team that has won three in a row. Bronson Arroyo will face Randy Wolf, and Arroyo will be looking to avoid giving up a homer. Should Arroyo surrender a longball, however, he’ll set the Reds record for most homers allowed in a season, surpassing Eric Milton.

Not good.

Discuss the game here. Go Redlegs.

58 Responses

  1. wildwestLV

    Wishing the best for Bronson tonight (and never capable of rooting against my Reds), but if the Phils are losing to the Cards, then at least I can have some satisfaction about the Crew teeing off on Arroyo tonight. Tough dilemma: if the Phillies shut it down (now that they’ve clinched) in this series, how hard do you root for the Reds to help out the Redbirds?

  2. renbutler

    Hey, the Reds are still in it! If they win out, and Atlanta loses out, the teams will play a one-game playoff!

    I know, it’s just as likely for the Bengals to win out. But it’s one way to make tonight’s Reds game at least mildly interesting. 😆

  3. wildwestLV

    Personally, I’m just pulling for Morgan NOT to be one of the Brewers who goes yard on Arroyo tonight.

  4. wildwestLV

    Just a one homer inning. Early, too. Maybe Bronson will spread them out tonight.

      • Y-City Jim

        Our goat with braces is named “Milton.” Should we rename him “Bronson”?

        No. At least Bronson takes the ball every start. How much time did Milton spend on the DL in Cincinnati?

  5. SFredsfan

    For the love of God!! Why did Dusty not play Francisco at third? Do we have a mini Panda for the Reds? Love to see Francisco at third and earn the position. HIs bat would really make the Reds scary.

    • mike

      Paul Janish has to be the worst hitter in baseball.

      you are right. He’s been the worst offensive player in baseball this season and by a good margin.

      of players with at least 340 PA
      wRC+
      32 Janish
      52 Franklin Gutierrez
      53 Alex Rios
      54 Miguel Tejada
      55 Orlando Cabrera

      I did not have the heart to type the next player who shows up on the list

  6. mike

    Arroyo just set a new single season HR allowed record for the Cincinnati Reds
    With 41 HR allowed he moves into sole possession of the Reds record

    He is 3rd on the all-time HR allowed list behind only Tom Browning and Joe Nuxhall

    He becomes only the 12th pitcher in major league history to allow 41 or more HR!

    the last pitchers to do this were Jamie Moyer and Eric Milton in 2004 when they allowed 44 and 43 respectively

  7. wildwestLV

    Second home run. See? He’s pacing himself…wait…THIRD home run. Nevermind.

  8. mike

    @mike: that changed quick. Arroyo now up to 43 HR allowed this season and becomes only the 8th pitcher in MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY to allow 43 or more HR

    at this rate, if he gets another start or two he could challenge the all time record of 50 held by Bert Blyleven

  9. wildwestLV

    @Chad Dotson: We’d do better to have the actual GOAT up there on the mound. Braces and all. Probably a wicked slider w/ the hooves and all. 🙄

  10. al

    this is just embarrassing. i just hope the reds have the good sense to take him out of the rotation next year, but something tells me they don’t. at least not until the middle of next year, after he’s lost a ton of games.

    probably he has a halfway decent spring, says that he feels like he’s 27 again, the writers put out a couple of articles on how he was injured this season and finally ready to go.

    then two months later everyone remembers there’s no cure for aging and playing too much baseball.

    • dn4192

      this is just embarrassing. i just hope the reds have the good sense to take him out of the rotation next year, but something tells me they don’t. at least not until the middle of next year, after he’s lost a ton of games. probably he has a halfway decent spring, says that he feels like he’s 27 again, the writers put out a couple of articles on how he was injured this season and finally ready to go. then two months later everyone remembers there’s no cure for aging and playing too much baseball.

      He has one bad season where his health has been an issue and he is washed up? Really?

      • mike

        He has one bad season where his health has been an issue and he is washed up? Really?

        I’d argue his last 3 seasons (including this one) have been bad

      • al

        He has one bad season where his health has been an issue and he is washed up?Really?

        he’s been getting worse for a couple years. i’m not saying this is the bronson that we’ll see next year, but betting on a 36 year old pitcher, who’s logged the innings he has in his career, who has a career ERA+ of 103, to put up a good year?

        that’s a bet i wouldn’t take.

      • mike

        he’s been getting worse for a couple years. i’m not saying this is the bronson that we’ll see next year

        I actually think we’ll see the exact same pitcher next year

        and here is why
        xFIP
        4.50 2009
        4.42 2010
        4.52 2011

        and his K rate dropped off a lot since 2008
        xFIP is more likely to be a predictor than ERA. ERA has been shown to be a bad predictor year to year for pitchers.

        he’s done

      • Ethan D

        I actually think we’ll see the exact same pitcher next year

        and here is why
        xFIP
        4.502009
        4.422010
        4.522011

        and his K rate dropped off a lot since 2008
        xFIP is more likely to be a predictor than ERA. ERA has been shown to be a bad predictor year to year for pitchers.

        he’s done

        What’s sad/depressing/confusing is that we all saw this coming but Reds Management. They need some fresh blood. I bet there are some interns who could make wiser decisions.

  11. Robert

    Janish since he went 3-4 on his first day back from Louisville (July 25) is –
    .127/.216/.177 triple-slash

    yikes.

  12. OhioJim

    Well is Corky in the house or might Grandal get the unexpected call?

  13. al

    @mike: you’re sort of proving my point mike. i think it’s very possible for bronson to put up a 4.8 ERA next year, because he’d gotten lucky before and got unlucky some this year. that’s what i mean about not seeing this bronson next year.

    that said, yeah, he’s done.

    or put another way, next year, would you rather have travis wood, willis, or bronson in the rotation?

  14. mike

    @al: I agree…his ERA is very likely not to be this bad next year. Not good enough to be a good pitcher

    I honestly think what the Reds do with Arroyo and Volquez this off season and next year is one of their biggest questions.
    it’s too bad so much money is locked up with Cordero and Arroyo.

    • Ethan D

      Prediction: Phillips, Votto, and Bruce will eventually be in the Reds Hall of Fame.

  15. nvilleredsfan

    I hate the fact that this team has pretty much no chance of getting above .500 when Arroyo and Willis are automatic losses every time they take the ball.

  16. Dave Lowenthal

    @al: Something tells you they don’t have the sense to take him out of the rotation? Geez, Al, you are pretty insightful here like 99.9% of the time. I’d think you know that *everything* tells you they will *not* take him out of the rotation because they’ve never heard of the term “sunk cost”.

  17. RedLeg75

    Jim Day interviewed Bruce after he hit last night’s walk-off. Day asked him if getting to .500 was important to the team. Bruce said (paraphrase, quote as best I can) “I was listening to the radio the radio and they said, ‘You don’t want to have a losing record, that makes you a loser!’, so yeah, we want to go out there every day and give it our best.”…

    Players listen to WLW 700 in the afternoon, I heard the same thing.

    What that means, i don’t know, but there’s proof they do listen. I really thought they didn’t. Figured they had better to do. Anyways, the talk radio was in Jay’s ears that day. They hear what we’re saying to some extent.

  18. RedLeg75

    Hell, I’d bet a couple check in here now and then. Just to see, you know.

  19. Robert

    I can’t watch anymore this weekend. I just can’t listen to Grande’s drivel anymore.

    He has got to be the worst broadcaster in baseball. I bet I’ve heard the same story/quote/whatever 10 times tonight.

  20. wildwestLV

    Is anybody still watching this train wreck? The Reds have become the Crew’s fluffer for the postseason. Yady Molina just went yard to break the Phils/Cards 1-1 tie, top of the 8th. 2-1 WLB. Winning L B, that is. Braves are being destroyed by the Mets.

  21. RedLeg75

    Got a rally going here. BP the other way.

  22. Myles

    Arroyo should be cut tomorrow morning.

  23. Sergeant2

    Score Update- Cards 2 Philly’s 1 Bot. 8th. Whats the score in the Reds game and who’s pitching (assuming Bronson has been taken out by now)Thanks.

  24. RedLeg75

    Votto’s got a mean look on his face here.

  25. Brian Erts

    Arroyo is becoming epic (sorry, late to the conversation, west coast time and all) After this evening he’s at a HR every 17.44 batters, he’s chasing the worst (in my estimation)Jose Lima’s 1/18.6 rate from 200o.

  26. RedLeg75

    2 run single straight up the gut, for the record.

  27. doctor

    Change of subject: Gold Gloves for Reds. Whats the thought of Votto getting his 1st GG? Sure seems like Brandon should win this year as well. Bruce and Stubbs dont seem to have been as good as last year, and some of the metrics seem to reflect that as well.

    Others thoughts?

  28. nvilleredsfan

    Votto is still a heck of a hitter… If it were not for Arroyo throwing batting practice to the Brews, we’d be in this game right now.

  29. Ethan D

    I know it’s not possible at all, even in The Twilight Zone, but Ryan Braun in LF for the Reds would be so so sweet.

    • Sergeant2

      I know it’s not possible at all, even in The Twilight Zone, but Ryan Braun in LF for the Reds would be so so sweet.

      And Bench in his prime behind the plate, well you did mention The Twilight Zone.

  30. mike

    @doctor: I think Votto and Phillips should win the Gold Glove easily

    if we were to use UZR to pick the NL Gold Gloves it would be

    1B: Votto
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Tulowitzki (Barmes could be close)
    3B: Sandoval
    RF: Upton
    CF: Chris Young
    LF: Gerardo Parra
    C: I don’t know
    P: I don’t know

    • Ethan D

      After Votto hits 2 run single “This guy is just so good” – Welsh on Votto. That’s about the only way you can put it. He is crazy good, silly good at baseball.

  31. RedLeg75

    Heisey starts the rally. thanks, yuni.

  32. Ethan D

    @Sergeant2: I know it’s not possible at all, even in The Twilight Zone, but Ryan Braun in LF for the Reds would be so so sweet.

    Amen brother

  33. RedLeg75

    Dammit, Cairo was supposed to get on, so we could come full circle sortof and Razor hits the home run off Axford.

  34. wildwestLV

    Jay Bruce = Rally Killer tonight.

  35. doctor

    @mike:

    yep agreed and saw fangrapsh, but bRef defensive metric has BP a negative. hardly seems possible with all the excellent highlight plays almost every night. BP always is hustling on D to make a play.

    Side non-red note: it would be astounding turn-around if Pablo Sandoval won a GG, given he nearly ate himself out of the league. Given his low number of games, I bet one of the “name” players wins GG at 3B. ie Chipper or Palanco.

  36. Bob Purkey

    @Y-City Jim: I just wish Bronson spent as much time of the DL this year as Milton did when he was in Cincinnati