It’s official: today, the Reds recalled IF Todd Frazier and LHP Matt Maloney, and optioned RHPs Jordan Smith and Edinson Volquez to Louisville.

Daniel Ray Herrera’s roster spot remains open, and the Reds are now down a pitcher (at least, they are down from Dusty/Walt’s idea of the proper roster construction). The Reds aren’t done, but there’s no real rush to make a deal until Volquez’s spot comes up again. This should be an interesting week.

67 Responses

  1. dn4192

    Okay so why was Daniel H wavied? What is up with Edgar and if he is on breavement whom is our backup SS? Still alot of questions need to be answered and it’s time for Dusty to stand up, be a man and take control of this team.

  2. RedLegHerrm

    Herrera was waived to make room for someone on the 40-man roster. Who that someone is is anyone’s guess. Dontrelle Willis seems like the obvious choice, but I know he just got hurt so who knows.

    • dn4192

      Frazier is your backup SS while Renteria is gone

      Is that whom we want as the backup SS? I mean really?

  3. Sultan of Swaff

    So now we have 4 guys to play left and 3 to play third, all because no one has the balls to treat Gomes like the business decision that it is. Reminds me of a term between two people in a relationship where they still get busy w/ each other even though they should break up. Rhymes with ‘pretty duck’.

  4. CP

    Has the Renteria thing even been confirmed?

  5. eric nyc

    I like Maloney if he’s strictly used as a middle reliever. I hope he’s not taking the long relief spot to put LeCure back in the rotation just because I think we have better options for a 5th starter and LeCure has taken to the pen well. Maloney is not a good lo reliever, but he could be good for an inning or two occasionally.

    So what’s next? Is are feria officially on some kind of leave? If so does Frazier go back down when he comes back or is he part of the LF solution? Are we keeping Gomes for the Philly series just as a PH against lecture and then he gets dropped when Leake or Willis comes up later in the week to take EVs spot? My heads spinning…

  6. eric nyc

    *”Is Renteria officially…” stupid autocorrect.

  7. RedLegHerrm

    @Sultan of Swaff: Gomes isn’t going anywhere. Dusty’s repeatedly said he’s in the plans moving forward. It’s obvious that Dusty feels that Jonny adds an intangible element to the clubhouse that can’t be quantified in numbers.

    Gomes has been removed as the everyday LF and it’s looking more and more like a Heisey/Lewis platoon has begun. I think Gomes is a perfect fit as a bench player and power hitter off the bench. He’s very well liked in the clubhouse and I don’t think it makes sense to get rid off him and throw off the club dynamic. He just needs to be used properly (as a bench player with the occasional start against left handers).

  8. pinson343

    I like these moves SO FAR. I hoped and guessed Volquez and Smith would be sent down.

    Glad to see Frazier finally called up. I would like to think Maloney’s being called up would mean that he’ll go to the pen and LeCure becomes the 5th starter.
    But opening up a 40 man roster spot could mean that Dontrelle or Renicke are coming up. I have a bad feeling it will be Dontrelle, to be the 5th starter. That I wouldn’t like.

  9. al

    so now i see there being two scenarios.

    1) frazier is the backup SS only while renteria is gone on some family issue or something, and he’ll be sent down when he comes back. at that point horst will be put on the 40-man (though i’m not sure why they waived herrera today) and called up.

    2) same as #1, except when volquez’s spot comes up, horst is brought up and someone other than frazier goes, with gomes and renteria as the most likely suspects.

  10. CP

    I must admit, I’m mildly curious how much worse Frazier could be on defense versus Renteria. Like…Jeff Keppinger bad?

  11. pinson343

    @eric nyc: My head’s spinning too. Gomes is staying, even though he’s not in the lineup tonite.

    I too like LeCure in the bullpen, but who do you think are better options for 5th starter ? I’m afraid it will be Dontrelle, not enthused about that. It’s too early to bring back Leake, let him work on things at AAA. Maloney has not pitched well this season, although I’m happy to see him in the pen instead of Smith.

    Are you thinking of Renicke ?

  12. al

    one thing i don’t get: why anyone would think matt maloney will be good in any role. he is, to put it mildly, very bad.

    i think this has to just be a stopgap move, and he’ll only come into games either to get one lefty, or in a mop up situation.

    he’s barely getting by in AAA. he’s given up 5 HR in 30 innings, and the long ball has always killed him with the reds.

  13. bho52

    Timing wise it works out for Reineke to come up and pitch Friday, and would also justify DRH being waived.

    With Renteria gone, in a pinch, they could also use Cairo at 2nd and move Phillips to SS. Not ideal, but possibly an upgrade over Frazier at SS.

  14. al

    @pinson343: i think it’s got to be lecure. i bet it would be willis, but there was a report earlier that he’s going on the AAA DL. not sure if that’s confirmed or not.

  15. pinson343

    @al: Good analysis. I’d like to see option 2 happen: Frazier stays, and Horst – who’s been our most effective pitcher for the Bats – comes up.

  16. Sultan of Swaff

    @RedLegHerrm: I sound like a broken record, but how can you use a roster spot on a guy who can only pinch hit against lefties and can only play left field? THIS IS INSANITY.

    • dn4192

      @RedLegHerrm: I sound like a broken record, but how can you use a roster spot on a guy who can only pinch hit against lefties and can only play left field? THIS IS INSANITY.

      No this is Dusty ball…kinda like “money” ball that Oakland played…well not really but really fun to watch…well not really but it allows for non performing players to keep their job…. 😀

      • Steve

        No this is Dusty ball…kinda like “money” ball that Oakland played…well not really but really fun to watch…

        If someone wrote a book about Dustyball, what would some of the chapter titles be?

        “You Know Me and Defense”

        “Clogging the Bases”

        “Why I gave Willy Taveras 400 At Bats”

        etc.

  17. dn4192

    RedLegHerrm

    If you were going to go with a Lewis/Heisey platoon wouldn’t Heisey being the one to play tonight?

  18. eric nyc

    @pinson343: I was thinking Leake. By the time Volquezs spot is up Leake will have had his minimum time in AAA. He hasn’t been on fire, but he was sent down because he was the 6th guy and now with EV in the doghouse it would make sense to bring him back. Not sure how his schedule is right now though. When is his next scheduled start? Could we possibly use LeCure for one start this week and then synch up Leqkes schedule to get him into the rotation on the next home stand?

    I have mixed feelings on Willis. I’m not as down on him as most people and wouldn’t mind giving him a shot, but I understand the hesitation. I don’t know enough about Renicke to have an opinion.

  19. al

    @CP: i can’t imagine that he’ll be worse at all than renteria. edgar has an overcooked noodle of an arm, has basically no range, and never seems to hustle.

  20. pinson343

    @bho52: @al: Interesting points. I knew about Dontrelle getting hit on the leg by a line drive. And then the waiving of DRH would mean Reineke is coming up. Yes he might start instead of LeCure.

  21. RedLegHerrm

    @dn4192: Lewis is 3-6 lifetime against Hamels. I know it’s a sample size, but that’s all Dusty needs to give someone a start.

  22. RedLegHerrm

    From Fay’s twitter account:

    “Shake-up isn’t all much of shakeup. Leake or Reineke will start Friday. Frazier seen as bench bat. Baker: Heisey deserves a shot first.”

    • Greg Dafler

      From Fay’s twitter account:“Shake-up isn’t all much of shakeup. Leake or Reineke will start Friday. Frazier seen as bench bat. Baker: Heisey deserves a shot first.”

      And Cairo will probably get Rolen’s days off at third? Nice of the Reds to bring Frazier up to sit on the bench and cool off from his hot hitting in AAA.

  23. RedLegHerrm

    Also from Fay:

    Willis on the DL at Louisville. Still dealing with groin pull. “Bad timing for him and us,” Baker said.

    It’s looking like Reineke will get the start against Atlanta on Friday.

  24. al

    fay also confirms willis to the DL, Baker says bad timing for him and the reds.

  25. SJ

    @Sultan of Swaff: I can understand the Volquez move and lack of a Gomes move on two fronts. One, if you DFA Gomes, somoene probably would pick him up. He still drove in 86 runs last year. So you’d get nothing from that move, plus, you saw how big Phillips hugged him when he homered vs. the Cubs, so his presence is necessary on a team that depends on leadership from guys like Rolen and Arroyo.

    On the flip side, not only has Volquez pitched horrendously, but he also threw his offense under the bus for only scoring 13 runs in five games when he allowed seven in under three innings. If I’m the offense, I’m at his locker right then with scissors cutting his dreads so some oxygen can get to his brain.

    There’s not much proven talent available to trade for that the Reds could afford, they don’t want to give up pitching for a legit bat since the guy who was penciled in as their No. 1 just got demoted and, thus, the rotation depth that was supposed to be a strengh is now a weakeness. The only thing they can possibly do now is shuffle pieces from within and hope they catch lightning again like they did last year. All this and they’re heading into a four-game set with what might be the best team in baseball now that they’re healthy.

    Lord, please don’t let us be four games under .500 when this roadie ends.

  26. pinson343

    @eric nyc: I have mixed feelings about Dontrelle too. I’d love to see him succeed but don’t trust him as part of the Reds rotation. In any case it seems he’s injured and out of the picture right now.

    Renicke pitched yesterday (and pitched well) so it looks like he’ll get the shot to start on Friday. Leake is pitching tonite.

    Renicke has been our best starter at AAA and I think they’re going to leave Leake at AAA for now. That’s OK with me.

  27. Sultan of Swaff

    Regarding Frazier, none of this makes sense. By keeping Gomes, you’re effectively denying the kid any playing time in left. Cairo’s still here, so third base is out as well. That leaves the middle infield. Frazier hasn’t played there full time for a long time. As soon as he makes an error, Dusty will use that as an excuse to bury the kid. This is how careers are ended before they even begin. Frazier has to dazzle right out of the gate or he’s toast. All because management is sentimental.

  28. pinson343

    @Steve:
    Add to that: “Why Good Hitters Should Bat 8th and Bad Hitters 2nd.”

    He gave 2 reasons for this last week.

  29. al

    so, if they bring up another pitcher friday, reineke probably, the question is what position player goes down?

  30. eric nyc

    @pinson343: If Walt and Dusty think he’s out pitching Leake right now then I’m excited to see him. Honestly it can’t be worse than Volquez and with LeCure and Maloney in the pen the worst case scenario is they each take 2-3 innings.

  31. RedLegHerrm

    @pinson343: @eric nyc: I’d rather see Dontrelle pitch out of the bullpen than start. His ML track record has shown he’s not an effective starting pitcher anymore. I think he could find a good niche in our bullpen.

  32. eric nyc

    @al: Sounds like possibly Renteria on some sort of family leave. Or Frazier.

  33. SJ

    @RedLegHerrm: Agreed, but why not let Maloney start Fri? He gave up 1 earned in six innings against PHI last July, and they don’t hit lefties well. WTF does it matter that he’s been the “long man” before? There’s a reason Leake got sent down, and Reineke is a rookie, so why not at least go by the book?

    Geez, I don’t like being a Reds second-guesser first and a fan second. Makes me miss Jerry Narron and Dave Miley, who never had teams you expected to beat anyone, so it didn’t matter what they did with the lineup or rotation.

  34. RedLegHerrm

    @Sultan of Swaff: According to Fay, Frazier’s main purpose is to be a good bat off the bench. I don’t think he’ll be seeing much field time.

  35. pinson343

    @Sultan of Swaff: It looks like Frazier is just a temporary replacement for Renteria. It could be like when Drew Sutton came up, hit a pinch hit grand slam HR, and was sent down the next day. “Thanks, kid.”

  36. RedLegHerrm

    @SJ: I’m okay with Reineke getting a shot. As it’s been mentioned, he’s been our best starter in AAA so far. Maloney doesn’t have a great ML track record either, Dontrelle’s hurt, Leake hasn’t been down in AAA enough to get things worked out, and LeCure’s been lights out in his new role in the bullpen.

    I’m okay with them giving Reineke a shot. If I remember correctly, he was also solid in Spring Training.

  37. pinson343

    @SJ: I was at the game in Philly last July when Maloney pitched really well, though we lost to Hamels.
    The issue with Maloney is that he hasn’t pitched well this season, either with the Reds or with the Bats.

    But as I’ve said, he’s a welcome replacement for Smith in the pen.

  38. al

    @Sultan of Swaff: don’t get carried away, i don’t think we’re seeing anyone’s career get destroyed.

    the question is, was he brought up only for insurance because renteria is going to be unavailable for a few days, or is there going to be a further shakeup before friday’s game.

    i’m hoping for the latter. gomes, renteria, and cairo are all pretty bad. cairo has a 2-year deal and has been the least bad, so you can probably scratch him.

    i don’t like renteria, never liked the signing, and think he should probably go. but gomes has very little value also, so he should probably go too.

    which bench do you like better: gomes, lewis, cairo, renteria… or,

    valaika, frazier, lewis, cairo?

  39. eric nyc

    @SJ: Leake got sent down because at the time he was the 6th best pitcher in the system. One bad start in Louisville doesn’t drop him to 7th. But again, for a 5th starter spot, I’ll take a look at Reineke. The bar is pretty low and the bullpen isbstocked now that Arrendondo seems to have found his groove and Maloney is an upgrade over Smith. Maloney isn’t an option to start. At least 3-4 guys ahead of him in line for that, maybe 2 if Willis is on the DL.

  40. pinson343

    @RedLegHerrm: Reineke pitched very well in ST, and he’s been our best starter at AAA. I’m also fine with his starting on Friday.

  41. al

    @pinson343: neither smith nor maloney has any business pitching in the big leagues at this point. mop up roles only.

  42. dn4192

    To me these are kinda “gutless’ moves. Smith just has not pitched well since being recalled so his demotion is no big deal and EV needs to work on things and his demotion while kinda big isn’t huge. The moves this team should have made again passed on and thus we will continue to see problems. It’s sad when loyalty (which is what it has to be) trumps smart baseball sense.

  43. eric nyc

    @dn4192: I don’t know what else you were looking for besides cutting Gomes, and that is t happening anytime soon. I’d say optioning your opening day starter before June is pretty huge, and we could see more movement this week. Gomes will likely get 3-4 PH at bats over this next series and they could go a long way towards detrmining his future with the team. He’s going to have to catch fire as a PH if he’s going to stick around, so either he does and that helps us win or he doesn’t and we make another move in the next week or two.

    More than anything I’m just pissed at whatever jackass put the idea of Jose Bautista in my head. Now everything feels like a disappointment…who was responsible for that 15 minute nonsense?

  44. dn4192

    Okay so how many starts in AAA will EV see before Dusty proclaims him “healed” and ready to resume his position as ACE of the staff..

  45. Crutch23

    Caught a lot of grief yesterday from renbutler on this board about Volquez. Is my comment that Volquez has a 10 cent head hyperbole now? With what he said after the game, I think I hit it right on the nose.

  46. al

    @dn4192: i agree with you that the bench does not look good right now. if gomes is being benched (which it sounds like he is from what fay tweeted about heisey getting a shot) he isn’t very valuable. renteria is a black hole, cairo is just old and not very good.

    it’s not a well put together bench, but we don’t know what happens friday. if frazier is sent back down, i’ll agree that they messed up. for now it’s wait and see.

  47. al

    @dn4192: why are you already looking for trouble with that aspect of this. it’s like you want volquez to be bad so that you can feel right about something.

    don’t you want him to be good? if he could return to what he was in the first half of ’08, would you be happy?

    to me, they sent a very promising pitcher down after a reasonable number of starts. i don’t think they’re going to rush him back, and i hope that when he comes back that he’s awesome.

    • dn4192

      @al: why are you already looking for trouble with that aspect of this. it’s like you want volquez to be bad so that you can feel right about something. don’t you want him to be good? if he could return to what he was in the first half of ’08, would you be happy? to me, they sent a very promising pitcher down after a reasonable number of starts. i don’t think they’re going to rush him back, and i hope that when he comes back that he’s awesome.

      One word…Dusty. I have zero faith in that man. I don’t believe he should be in teh position he is in, I don’t believe he has a real grasp on how to manage especially pitchers and I believe he is more concerned with “feelings” over results. I really believe this team won last season in spite of Dusty and because of a number of good breaks here and there. Now we are not getting those breaks and more and more our manager is putting us in a position of being behind the 8 ball before the first pitch is even thrown. I think after 2 maybe 3 starts Dusty will proclaim that EV has figured it out and will welcome him back with open arms and proclaim the prodical son has returned.

  48. Dave Lowenthal

    @al: Why does anyone think he’s ever going to return to that form? In the first three months of 2008 he overachieved with a walk rate that was too high.

    I’d be happy if he was 80% of that. But I do not believe he’ll be better than that. Ever. Even if he “fully” recovers from TJ surgery (i.e., if he isn’t yet).

  49. Dave Lowenthal

    Does anyone really think Gomes is a bench player? Just see Dusty’s comments today, via Fay: “He’ll get out of this”.

    If anyone does not believe Gomes will again be the starting LF, you’re kidding yourself. I’d be shocked if he’s not
    starting full time again by early June.

    • dn4192

      Does anyone really think Gomes is a bench player? Just see Dusty’s comments today, via Fay: “He’ll get out of this”.If anyone does not believe Gomes will again be the starting LF, you’re kidding yourself. I’d be shocked if he’s notstarting full time again by early June.

      June? Hell I see Gomes back in there when we arrive in Atlanta if not sooner. Again the moves today were gutless and did not show me that either Dusty or Walt have the ability to make the tough call when needed. Winning teams make those calls…

  50. Jason1972

    I would try to trade EV before he has a chance to completely ruin his value.

    • dn4192

      I would try to trade EV before he has a chance to completely ruin his value.

      What value does he have right now? No, the Reds have to hope he shows some life in AAA then “Maybe” he can come up get a game or two or three in at the ML level and then move him come the trade deadline, right now you would get very little. “IF” he can show some life you might be able to package him with say Yonder or someone for a bat maybe to play LF around the trading deadline.

  51. dn4192

    I’m sorry but no body with these numbers should be anywhere near a major league roster..

    171 Overall (22 for 129)
    .138 Home (9 for 65)
    .122 May (6 for 49)
    .148 vs RHP ( 16 for 108)
    .286 vs LHP (6 for 21)
    .175 RISP (7 for 40)
    .087 w/ 2 out RISP (2 for 23)

  52. al

    @dn4192: i’ll take that bet.

    i think you’re just making up all this prodigal son stuff and i have no idea why. i agree with dusty that volquez has the best stuff of anyone on the team, it’s not like he made him the opening day starter for no reason.

    you don’t even say anything about how his starts go, that’s how deluded this is. if you think he’s going to be back in 2 or 3 starts no matter what he does, you’re not in reality.

    if volquez goes down, works on his mechanics, gets his delivery more repeatable, IF, IF he does all that, the earliest i’d expect to see him with the reds again is a month. i would guess sometime after the all-star break though. and if he pitches poorly, i dont think they’ll call him back up.

    • dn4192

      @Al: i’ll take that bet. i think you’re just making up all this prodigal son stuff and i have no idea why. i agree with dusty that volquez has the best stuff of anyone on the team, it’s not like he made him the opening day starter for no reason. you don’t even say anything about how his starts go, that’s how deluded this is. if you think he’s going to be back in 2 or 3 starts no matter what he does, you’re not in reality. if volquez goes down, works on his mechanics, gets his delivery more repeatable, IF, IF he does all that, the earliest i’d expect to see him with the reds again is a month. i would guess sometime after the all-star break though. and if he pitches poorly, i dont think they’ll call him back up.

      Look at history. How many pitchers do you know coming off TJ surgery with not even a full season under their belt are named your number 1 starter in game 1 of the playoffs, let alone the first playoff game you have played in over a decade. No. 2, after pitching horrible in that game and missing considerable time in ST due to visa issues he is named your ACE and opening day starter? There is no logic behind either of those moves for a pitcher who is:

      A) Only really had a great half of a season and a good second half of a season the year he made the all star team

      B) Is coming off TJ surgery had has a horrible delivery motion and issues with his walk ratio.

      Yet Dusty proclaims “he is da man”? R U kidding me when we had better talent to be picked in both situations. No if he is in AAA longer then 2-3 starts I would be shocked.

  53. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: Reineke is striking out 4.7 per 9 at AAA and he’s 29 years old. He’s a journeyman. I still don’t understand why they are not starting Lecure.

  54. Dave Lowenthal

    @al: OK, yes, of course the prodigal son stuff is lame. But Dusty made Volquez the opening day starter because, in my mind, he exhibited poor judgment, just as he did in the NLDS game 1.

  55. al

    @Dave Lowenthal: yeah, i agree, it wasn’t smart to start him opening day, but it’s not like dusty did it because he has a crush on him, which is the ‘analysis’ of some fans.

    as far as reineke, it’s not like lecure has much more to boast about. he’s 27, made the majors at 26 for the first time, and has a 4.83 ERA as a starter. if he’s found a groove as a reliever, there’s no reason to shake it up.

    my issue is maloney. he’s a HR waiting to happen and is only up because he’s on the 40 man.

  56. al

    @dn4192: Why do you always capitalize “ACE?” What do you think you’re implying with that?

    I really can’t believe, after all of the talk about last year’s playoffs that you haven’t gotten over that. We all talked about the reasoning for it so much then, to state that there was no logic for the decision means you are wilfully ignorant.

    But for your benefit: In Sept. last year Volquez had a 1.95 ERA and 31 k’s to 8 bb, with no HR allowed. As Halladay showed, he had no hit stuff, and Volquez had the closest thing to that. Sure Wood threw a great game earlier in the year, but going on that is just like going on someone being 3 for 6 against Hamels.

    Wood had half a season of big league ball, Ever, and hadn’t pitched as well in Sept.

    • dn4192

      @al: Why do you always capitalize “ACE?” What do you think you’re implying with that?I really can’t believe, after all of the talk about last year’s playoffs that you haven’t gotten over that. We all talked about the reasoning for it so much then, to state that there was no logic for the decision means you are wilfully ignorant. But for your benefit: In Sept. last year Volquez had a 1.95 ERA and 31 k’s to 8 bb, with no HR allowed. As Halladay showed, he had no hit stuff, and Volquez had the closest thing to that. Sure Wood threw a great game earlier in the year, but going on that is just like going on someone being 3 for 6 against Hamels. Wood had half a season of big league ball, Ever, and hadn’t pitched as well in Sept.

      Because Dusty sees EV as the “ACE” of the staff which is just laughable to me. I also find it laughable that he was game 1 starter and opending day starter. Sorry I feel there were better choices for both. I am not going in trust either of those game to a kid coming off TJ surgery with less then a full season under his belt, and guess what, he didn’t perform well in either of those games. i would gone with either Wood or Cueto in game 1 last year and gone with Bronson as the opening day starter. Those 3 have shown me much more then EV has. Sorry but while I do feel EV has incredible talent, to believe he can return to any kind of consistant form less then 1 season after TJ surgery just shows me how stupid Dusty is.