Johnny Cueto and the Reds (I love that band) are going for the sweep tonight against the Brew Crew. Joey Votto is out of the lineup for the second straight night; hope it’s just the sinus infection, and I hope he’s back soon.

Here’s the lineup, featuring Yonder Alonso making his first big league start:

Phillips 4
Cabrera 6
Bruce 9
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Alonso 3
Stubbs
Hernandez 2
Cueto 1

Here’s your game preview. Go Redlegs.

122 Responses

  1. LVW

    Yadi Molina has been sent for an MRI on his knee- there’s a possibility we may not see him for a while. They don’t score top of 1st either.

    • Y-City Jim

      Yadi Molina has been sent for an MRI on his knee- there’s a possibility we may not see him for a while. They don’t score top of 1st either.

      I’m sure it is somehow linked to the brawl in Cincinnati along with everything else that has gone wrong for the Cardinals.

  2. pinson343

    The 2010.09.21 is confusing. At first I thought it was yesterday’s game thread.

    • LVW

      @pinson343:

      The 2010.09.21 is confusing. At first I thought it was yesterday’s game thread.

      Hopefully the result will be the same.

  3. pinson343

    Not sure if Morton can hold the lead, but he was pretty good against us.

    Hopefully Lohse doesn’t settle down.

  4. Steve

    MLB Network just showed a stat that the WLB have the worst record in baseball since August 14 when they were in first place by a game. Something like 12-24. Love hearing them described as “the biggest disappointment” in the league.

  5. Crutch23

    Buccos are rollin’…I love it!!

  6. MikeB

    I’m excited to see Alonso get 4 at bats in a row.

  7. mike

    @Steve: I’ve really wondered how/why Stl fell apart and in a BIG way. 12-24 is AWFUL but it’s doubly awful for a playoff bound team playing mostly bad teams.

    This is a team with Pujols, Holliday (both have great seasons), Rasmus, Wainwright, Carpenter and Garcia

    I think it was their 1B coach who came out and railed against the teams effort last week….but between that, their reaction to Phillips’s comments, their many arguments in the dugout (I’ve seen at least 4 in the last couple months) and the release of Lopez it’s clear their manager is NOT keeping that clubhouse together in any way.

  8. eastcoast redsfan

    Its really nice to see Lohse in a Cardinals uniform …. and not the Reds anymore.

  9. Crutch23

    There’s a shock…BP not running hard

  10. MikeB

    On the bright side, he hit the ball well. Hasn’t done that much lately.

  11. Furniture City Red

    Unbelievable. Stand there and admire your double…then get thrown out at second.

    • Reds03

      Unbelievable. Stand there and admire your double…then get thrown out at second.

      What double, haha

  12. al

    brantley and marty are both saying brandon was hustling out of the box.

    • Reds03

      brantley and marty are both saying brandon was hustling out of the box.

      It was a great play by Braun.

  13. MikeB

    Yeah, he didn’t really loaf at all. It was a hard hit ball that bounced back to Braun and he made a great throw. Thom is a blowhard.

  14. Greg Dafler

    The games start like they have tonight, and I already put it in the bank that the Reds magic number drops to 2 and their NL Central lead jumps to 9.

  15. Crutch23

    Brewers announcers said he wasnt hustling out of the box at all…great play by Braun though.

  16. LVW

    Would have been a lot easier on our starters this series just to start the bottom of the 1st with Weeks already on base.

  17. elyk

    cardinals are getting blown out

    let’s go to bed tonight w the magic number @ 2!

  18. MikeB

    I am glad Cabrera went out and got that one. Gomes would have thrown it over the backstop.

  19. LVW

    McGehee was hitting .385 after a Fielder int BB til that AB.

  20. Crutch23

    Great job by Cueto to work out of that mess!!

  21. LVW

    Baker moved into 25th on the all time wins list last night.

  22. Crutch23

    I like the potential of Stubbs, but when he gets two strikes, he might as well start walkin toward the dugout.

  23. al

    now marty and brantley can’t shut up about cabrera’s defense and clutchness. i’m telling you, that guy must be some kind of cool to be around, because he manages to but the rose colored glasses on just about everyone in the media.

    i mean, it’s one thing not to rag on a guy because you like him, but statistically he’s well below average, how can you talk about him like he’s tulo?

  24. LVW

    ESPN showing this game on bonus coverage.

    • eastcoast redsfan

      ESPN showing this game on bonus coverage.

      I blame ESPN for that.

  25. eastcoast redsfan

    Another error. That is something the Reds need to get cleaned up before the playoffs

    • Chad Dotson

      Another error.That is something the Reds need to get cleaned up before the playoffs

      I agree, but I can’t blame Cabrera for that error. Kind of a fluke thing.

  26. LVW

    Bruce was playing Wolf like Fielder was hitting.

  27. eastcoast redsfan

    Not a good night by Cueto

  28. MikeB

    It feels like a Sam Lecure type of night.

  29. al

    getting ugly here. still, a dp gets out of this inning.

  30. Crutch23

    What an ugly inning…Cueto not showin much tonight.

  31. al

    gotta go get him now, if you want to have a chance to get back in it.

  32. eastcoast redsfan

    Showing a lot of fastballs over the middle of the plate.

  33. LVW

    This inning is simply one thing- the end result of all the innings the Brewers leadoff guys have reached the last 2 nights.

  34. eastcoast redsfan

    Its gonna be hard to get the number to 2 tonight.

  35. MikeB

    Oh well, at least the Cards are getting trampled.

  36. BigRedMike

    Not impressive by Cueto. Give some of the younger guys some playing time, this game is likely over.

  37. Crutch23

    Anyone have any idea why Alonso starts tonight against a lefty, but sat last night against the right-hander in favor of Edmonds/Cairo??

  38. BigRedMike

    Is anyone else worried about the Reds starters going into the playoffs?

    • Reds03

      Is Cueto hurt…I don’t ever remember him doing this bad?

      Just because he had a bad night doesn’t mean he was hurt…… Maybe he was just bad?!?!

    • jdarts

      Is Cueto hurt…I don’t ever remember him doing this bad?

      Cueto’s notorious for having 1 0r 2 hideous starts a year like this. I believe it was the Blue Jays last year(correct me if I’m wrong) that absolutely destroyed Cueto. He gave up something like 10 runs in 2 innings that day.

      • Reds03

        Cueto’s notorious for having 1 0r 2 hideous starts a year like this.I believe it was the Blue Jays last year(correct me if I’m wrong) that absolutely destroyed Cueto.He gave up something like 10 runs in 2 innings that day.

        I think that was Arroyo.

    • BigRedMike

      @BigRedMike: Why? Because they might lose? No.

      Yeah, because they might lose. 🙄 It doesn’t matter, Cabrera will carry the team in the playoffs.

  39. vermilion red

    I gotta say, ever since the fight and the kicking with spikes, Johnny Cueto is the one Red I’m somewhat ambivalent towards. Anybody can do something stupid, and we all have, but I think some remorse might have been warranted.
    This might be old news, and I’m certainly a hypocrite because I’ll continue to root for Cueto (especially in playoffs), but it’s how I feel.

    • jdarts

      I gotta say, ever since the fight and the kicking with spikes, Johnny Cueto is the one Red I’m somewhat ambivalent towards. Anybody can do something stupid, and we all have, but I think some remorse might have been warranted.
      This might be old news, and I’m certainly a hypocrite because I’ll continue to root for Cueto (especially in playoffs), but it’s how I feel.

      What did you want or expect him to say?

      • vermilion red

        What did you want or expect him to say?

        Sorry I kicked you in the head with my spikes, giving you a concussion, and finishing your baseball career, off the top of my head.

  40. al

    well, the brewers have come back against us in a game like this, time to return the favor. there’s plenty of time to score 8 runs.

    on a side note, i really hope harang pitches well here. i’d like to see him make the playoff roster as the long man. call me sentimental.

  41. Redgoggles

    Ugh. That inning was Arroyo melt-down bad.

  42. eastcoast redsfan

    Was Cueto falling off to the side again tonight? Seems like when he falls off a lot he pitches bad.

  43. jdarts

    @al: I wouldn’t count on it, nor would I worry about it. Magic number is going to 3 regardless, and they’ve already taken the series.

  44. BigRedMike

    It would be nice to see Harang on the playoff roster. He has pitched well for the most part during his time with the Reds.

  45. Chris Garber

    Okay, WTF just happened? I go upstairs to put the boy to bed and it’s 1-0, Reds. I come back down, one “Mommy Loves You” and one “Goodnight Sleepyhead” later, and it’s 8-1 and Harang is getting beaten around?

  46. jdarts

    @Reds03: It was Arroyo against the Blue Jays I believe, but somebody else absolutely shelled Cueto in one of his starts. Very similar to tonight. For the life of me I can’t remember who it was though.

  47. Crutch23

    I think the final score was like 22-1

    • jdarts

      I think the final score was like 22-1

      That’s exactly what it was.

  48. jdarts

    Here it is. On July 6, 2009, Cueto suffered the worst defeat in his young career. Taking the mound against the Phillies, he was shelled; Cueto allowed 9 earned runs on 5 hits, walking 3[5]. To top it off, all this happened in the first inning, and Cueto was taken out of the game after only recording two outs. The Phillies scored 10 runs that inning.

  49. al

    @vermilion red: fay reported that larue was planning to retire already. it sucks he got a concussion, but cueto could have been killed getting crushed up against the brick wall.

  50. LVW

    I’m all game threaded out for tonite. Catch you guys on the recap(maybe).

  51. al

    oh well, you can’t really feel too bad for harang when he pitches like this.

  52. pdu

    No need to go back over a year? The Dodgers hit 4 home runs in the space of 5 batters off of Cueto just 1 month ago!

  53. Chris Garber

    @vermilion red: I could not agree less. LaRue shouldn’t go into a fight if he doesn’t want contact. He should be blaming Carpenter for egging the thing on, or whomever shoved Cueto onto the screen, or whoever caused the other 19 concussions. Not that I feel glad that LaRue got a concussion. But I find ridiculous this notion that he was somehow cut down in his prime. Dude’s 37, and hasn’t hit .200 in 5 years.

  54. jdarts

    Just one of those nights. Magic number will still go to 3, that’s the bright side.

  55. vermilion red

    No doubt Cueto was put in a tough spot, and I don’t know what the intentions of the players around him were, but I’ve never heard of a ballplayer being crushed to death being pressed against a three-foot high wall. And yes, LaRue was planning to retire, but the absolute lack (unless I missed something) of any contrition rubbed me wrong. Simply “I’m sorry LaRue got hurt” would have sufficed.

    • vermilion red

      @Chris Garber: I didn’t even bother responding to that nonsense.

      Passive-aggressive much.

  56. vermilion red

    Chris,
    My point isn’t that LaRue was cut down in his prime. My point is that he got kicked in the head by a person wearing metal spikes. No doubt that Carpenter’s red ass, a trait borrowed from his manager, spurred the thing on. But the idea that a concussion is less serious because it happened to an aging player who hasn’t been hitting well is inane.

  57. MikeB

    Some morons on Twitter are saying Cueto pitched himself off of the playoff roster. Are Reds fans more unreasonable and reactionary than other team’s fans, or is that normal?

  58. Reds03

    @MikeB: I used to go on there, but I can’t stand the idiots.

  59. Matt WI

    @MikeB: What’d be funny is what would those same people say next time Volquez starts and maybe gets shelled. I’m sure he’s their #1 starter at the moment, because, you know, he was awesome in one game and therefore will be that way in the playoffs.

  60. Matt WI

    Oh well, what are you going to do on a night like this? Hit up the dvr list. Brewers owed the Reds one anyway the way we’ve treated them this year.

  61. Kyle

    I’d have let Harang throw until he hit 100 pitches. I’d do the same with Lecure. No sense wasting many arms when the result is determined.

  62. Kyle

    Why is the Braves playoff pct. so high? They have it at 78% on ESPN. They play the Nats, Marlins, and Phillies to round out the season.

    I’m guessing a lot of it has to do with the Padres and Giants facing each other the last three games? The Padres are the team I’d most like to face in the 1st round. I guess there would be some advantage to playing the Phillies in a 5 opposed to 7 game series, but I find it hard to root for that.

  63. MikeB

    On the bright side, magic number is now 3

  64. Dave Lowenthal

    I really don’t have any objection to leaving Cueto in to give up 8 runs…given the circumstances (race over, want to get him some work, etc).

    But I admit to wondering, is this the way Dusty will manage in the postseason? If we, say, play the Phillies, and Cueto or anyone else is allowed to give up 5 runs in one inning, let alone 8, that would be ridiculous. I hope Baker manages the postseason like it’s the postseason, if that makes sense.

  65. Kyle

    @Dave Lowenthal: I think that point is particularly important with this team. The Reds advantage (especially on the pitching staff) is that they have a ton of quality arms, both starters and relievers. Baker should use this and be quick to go to the pen.

  66. Kyle

    I’m not a big fan of Deadspin, but I always loved Fire Joe Morgan. They did a reunion on there today, some really funny stuff.

    On a side note, I know Joe Morgan is not a fan of advanced stats. Do you think he knows that advanced statistics show what a ridiculously talented player he was? Having never seen him play, I always had the idea that Morgan was very good but when you look at some of the advanced stats, he had some ungodly seasons at a position where offense was not exactly plentiful. Yet another aside (this game is a beating, I have to post something): The Posnanski book made me love Joe Morgan. I’d never really had strong feelings about him one way or the other, but I loved everything about him in that book.

  67. TheNatural

    Chad, can we get the magic number updated please?

    • Chad Dotson

      Chad, can we get the magic number updated please?

      Updated. Sorry it took so long. I may have stepped away from the television (and this game) for an hour. 🙂

  68. Dave Lowenthal

    @Kyle: Many have said over the years that Morgan was a very smart and great player who has over the years forgotten what made him great.

  69. Dave Lowenthal

    @Kyle: Man, that was funny, the article called “Is this normal”. My god.

  70. eastcoast redsfan

    I always say, most any MLB team is destined to win 35% of their games – and they are destined to lose 35% of their games. The middle 30% determine the season. This is one of those games the Reds were destined to lose.

  71. TheNatural

    @Chad Dotson: Much appreciated! Don’t worry, I abandoned the game for the world of Civ Pro over an hour and a half ago…

  72. Kyle

    @Dave Lowenthal: Yeah, I laughed out loud a couple of times. The Rick Sutcliffe sentence was one of those times.

  73. Kyle

    The one guy, Ken Tremendous, from Fire Joe Morgan is actually the show-runner for Parks and Recreation and had a hand in the Office as well.

  74. OhioJim

    File and forget this one. At least the dependable Cards did their part again tonight to make life easier for the Reds. Too bad number of games by whihc a team won their division isn’t the seediong criteria.

    Anybody else starting to wonder if the off season shake up in StLouis could reach proportions not thought of just several weeks ago.

    With Pujols eligible to be a free agent after 2011, might they blow it all up and even think of moving him for a couple of young pitchers and a position player?